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Looking for an article about atheists or agnostics

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by N2F, Jun 28, 2002.

  1. N2F

    N2F New Member

    I am currently in a debate with a group of atheists/agnostic folks who claim that the only people going around bombing and killing people are religious nuts doing it in the name of God. They claim that atheists have never done anything in the name of atheism, etc.. It's been a pretty heavy discussion. One man in particular seems to think that Catholics should be ashamed of themselves for going to church when they know that higher ups in the church were allowing boys to be raped, etc.. He also claimed that going to church is wrong because you have no idea what the people are participating in. Anyone have some words of wisdom for this guy?? Help. I'm lost. :(
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  2. No gods

    No gods Buttercup Atheist


    Well, I try not to use the "never" word, as in atheists have "never" done anything in the name of atheism.  But, as you read more about history and warfare, you will find that most wars have been fought over a god or gods.  And a lot of the victors thank their god for being on their side and helping them defeat his enimies. 
  3. GraftMeIn

    GraftMeIn The Masters Gardener

    Hmm how about a scripture, maybe this one will help

    John 16:1-4
    All this I have told so you would not go astray. they will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.
  4. Brimshack

    Brimshack Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't quote the scripture to unbelievers. That's just not something that's likely to impress those of us who don't believe. So, at least don't leave it on its own. Explain what it means to you, and remember that your own explanation is the part they will be paying attention to. The scripture itself will most likely be in one eye and out the other, particularly if you appear to be relying on that instead of presenting your own opinion.

    I have my own concerns about the role of religion in terrorism, etc., and so I would most likely be on the other side of this, but if you are characterizing their views accurately, then their position can be taken down a notch or two. I can't think of any acts of terrorism done in the name of atheism itself, but I'm quite certain that there have been atheists who committed acts of terrorism. So, the trick is to look at the positive causes that atheists might be interested in. Take for instance socialism and/or anarchism. I may be wrong, but I believe the anarchist movement that Sacco and Vanzetti were involved in had more than a few atheists (I can't remember, but I think one or both of them were atheists). If the other side says that they were framed, say yes, for that crime in particular, but the organization in question did bomb a number of people ('propoganda by the deed', they called it). Of course you could always point to Marxist excesses. Anyway, remember the trick will be to get past the negative position (atheism) which isn't much worth killing anybody over, and look at the various positive beliefs that different atheists DO have (that's what people are willing to kill over).

    Finally, may I suggest that you take seriously the contention that religion does play a role in promoting violence. What that role is, and whether or not it is a good reason to abandon your beliefs are very different questions.
  5. Gunny

    Gunny Remnant Supporter

    Ahh, Humor, tonic for the soul, lol.


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