Literal Genesis is incoherent.

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This is for mostly just the YECs.

Why would an ultimate god need 6 whole days to create the universe? Why would he need to "rest" at all? How does this suggest God can do anything he wants? Surely makes more sence that its written that way so a "day" is simply the passage of time, and the "ages" of the earth at various points? Heck it even says "a day is a thousand years". Add to that that there are 2 different versions of wthe timeline in Genesis 1 and 2. Surely the people writing it would have not been so stupid as to not notice this. So with all things considered this shows that the timeline is very likely not meant to be literally either. And then we have humans made out of dirt, clay, mud. Whatever. And woman made out of mans rib, come on doesnt this suggest its a metaphor for something? And the tree of knowledge, how is that not a metaphor? And what of the fruit of the tree? Eating fruit of any tree isnt going to give you knowledge except of the way it tastes. Its a clear analogy! And take the talking Snake. I mean do you really think animals talked back then or does it make more sence to think it wasnt meant to be taken literally? And if it wasnt totally obvious up to now, they DID NOT die when they ate the fruit as God told them they would. You know why? Because it wasnt meant to be taken literally of course! It was meant to be much deeper, and more meaningfull that that.

Why would Jesus have to forgive us for what Adam and Eve did? How much sence do you think that makes? Surely it makes more sence to forgive us for OUR sins, you know the ones we actually have some kind control and responsibility over?

To believe in a literal Genesis is to make the entire idea completely incoherent and renders the whole story meaningless!

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This is for mostly just the YECs.
So many questions -- let's enunmerate them in Q&A format, shall we?

1. Why would an ultimate god need 6 whole days to create the universe?

  • He didn't -- He took six days on purpose, so as to make His workweek a template for ours in the Ten Commandments.
2. Why would he need to "rest" at all?

  • Rest, in this instance, means "ceased" or "ended".
3. How does this suggest God can do anything he wants?

  • Since God had [literally] nothing to work with, it would take an act of omnipotence to bring matter and energy into a spacial dimension, where previously there was none.
4. Surely makes more sence that its written that way so a "day" is simply the passage of time, and the "ages" of the earth at various points?

  • It makes it even worse, because then, the order of the creation events would have to be rearranged, and that would just result in what we call a Chinese fire drill.
5. Heck it even says "a day is a thousand years".

  • It says a day is as a thousand years -- twice for emphasis.
6. Add to that that there are 2 different versions of wthe timeline in Genesis 1 and 2.

  • It only looks like there are two different versions, since Genesis 2 is Genesis 1, with a parenthetical inserted to explain when, where, and how Adam got his wife.
7. Surely the people writing it would have not been so stupid as to not notice this.

  • Adam originally wrote it; and yes, I'm sure the translators saw this, and still wrote it as is -- a testament to the fact that God was supervising the translation.
8. So with all things considered this shows that the timeline is very likely not meant to be literally either.

  • Wrong conclusion -- based on wrong premise.
9. And then we have humans made out of dirt, clay, mud. Whatever. And woman made out of mans rib, come on doesnt this suggest its a metaphor for something?

  • No -- in fact, I believe God purposely did it that way, knowing that in the end times, evolution would be one of the biggest philosophies in vogue.
10. And the tree of knowledge, how is that not a metaphor?

  • Be being literal.
11. And what of the fruit of the tree? Eating fruit of any tree isnt going to give you knowledge except of the way it tastes.

  • Correct -- Adam and Eve did not gain any knowledge by disobeying God; all they did was realize they were naked, and were ashamed.
12. And take the talking Snake. I mean do you really think animals talked back then or does it make more sence to think it wasnt meant to be taken literally?

  • Much like Acts 2, the serpent could have communicated to Eve, and Eve hear it in her own language.
13. And if it wasnt totally obvious up to now, they DID NOT die when they ate the fruit as God told them they would. You know why?

  • Yes -- because they died spiritually, not physically.
14. Why would Jesus have to forgive us for what Adam and Eve did? How much sence do you think that makes? Surely it makes more sence to forgive us for OUR sins, you know the ones we actually have some kind control and responsibility over?

  • By making Adam the federal head over the whole human race, Jesus would only have to die once for all. Had God not done that, Jesus would have to come back to earth each and every time a person sinned and die again. Eventually that would get old, and people would stop crucifying Him.
 
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Why would Sauron put his power in a ring and not something harder to cut off?

Why would Gandalf send Frodo to destroy the ring when he could've just flown it there on a giant eagle?

Why would a load of Hobbits follow Wormtongue?

Why would Saruman cut away at Fangorn when he blatently knew Ents would be living there?

It's fiction, man, it's always going to have moments of "Wha'? That made no sense.".
 
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Why would Sauron put his power in a ring and not something harder to cut off?

Because rings are pretty

Why would Gandalf send Frodo to destroy the ring when he could've just flown it there on a giant eagle?

Gandalf didn't have frequent flier miles with Eagle Airlines

Why would a load of Hobbits follow Wormtongue?

Because Saruman was too busy "tending to matters" in the privy.

Why would Saruman cut away at Fangorn when he blatently knew Ents would be living there?

Isengard was cold and he needed firewood [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

It's fiction, man, it's always going to have moments of "Wha'? That made no sense.".

It's stupidity, man! If you can do it, I can too. :p

~ Shaeykh
 
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It's fiction, man, it's always going to have moments of "Wha'? That made no sense.".
Except his questions were legitimate ones, whereas yours are fiction.

If not -- answer them.
 
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Why would Sauron put his power in a ring and not something harder to cut off?

So that it could control the other rings, to spread his corruption.

Why would Gandalf send Frodo to destroy the ring when he could've just flown it there on a giant eagle?

The Nazgul would've killed them.

Why would a load of Hobbits follow Wormtongue?

Hobbits are dumb, and Wormtongue is very persuasive.

Why would Saruman cut away at Fangorn when he blatently knew Ents would be living there?
He craved the Ring to such a degree that nothing else mattered.
 
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Skip Genesis and go straight to the Gospels.........

Using Darwinism to analyze the rest of texts is unsound. Besides why would you want to do that? If a guy came to you as an alightist (one who doesn't believe in light), you get into a discussion with him about the speed of light? Or how light behaves in water?
 
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Why would Sauron put his power in a ring and not something harder to cut off?
Maybe the ring could evolve into a strong man.
Why would Gandalf send Frodo to destroy the ring when he could've just flown it there on a giant eagle?
He thought that the eagle would evolve into a snake and kill him?
Why would a load of Hobbits follow Wormtongue?
The mechanism of standing still wasn't viable?
Why would Saruman cut away at Fangorn when he blatently knew Ents would be living there?
Ents had already evolved into nets.
 
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You really have no idea how evolution works, at all, do you?

Add him to your ignore list. There's no use discussing anything with him. He will even turn discussions of Lord of the Rings into half-baked anti-evolution one-liners.
 
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Why would Sauron put his power in a ring and not something harder to cut off?

Bling, man. Bling.

Why would Gandalf send Frodo to destroy the ring when he could've just flown it there on a giant eagle?

Remember those smoke rings Gandalf was smoking? That wasn't tobacco.

Why would a load of Hobbits follow Wormtongue?

Wormtongue was slightly taller than they were.

Why would Saruman cut away at Fangorn when he blatently knew Ents would be living there?

He probably thought he could cut down the Ents too. Or he found Gandalf's stash.
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I must say that mr pretty boy bloom was not what I had in mind when picturing Legolas when reading the books.

AMEN!!

I mean, seriously, we couldn't have gotten someone else? Just because the Elves seem to be light in the loafers doesn't mean we have to get Orlando Bloom to portray them that way.

~ Shaeykh
 
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