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Liberals, why do you believe people are entitled to the work of others?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by ChristJudgeOfAll, Aug 5, 2015.

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  1. Aldebaran

    Aldebaran Star Power!

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  2. Skaloop

    Skaloop Agnostic atheist, pro-choice anti-abortion

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    Fine. I accept Jesus as saviour. If indeed Jesus is the son of God, part of the holy trinity, and saviour of all mankind, I totally accept him as such.

    That was easy. I didn't need to do much at all.

    Similarly, people on welfare still have to do something. So they aren't getting something for nothing, either. No free lunch!
     
  3. JustOneWay

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    Exactly.
     
  4. JustOneWay

    JustOneWay :)

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    Exactly.

    True, they have to sign up.
     
  5. Red Fox

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    But according to certain Christian theology, being a true Christian constitutes more than just simply accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior.
     
  6. HonestTruth

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    Worse still are those who would vote for a Trump or Rand Paul who openly endorsed the ideas of antichrist Ayn Rand.
     
  7. NightHawkeye

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    Noting that Ayn Rand believed liberals were not entitled to the work of others. ;)
     
  8. HonestTruth

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    In fact she said that anyone who collects money from the government in any form is a welfare cheat.

    Naturally, she hid from the public the fact that she collected a few funds under her married name in order to disguise her scheming. ;)
     
  9. NightHawkeye

    NightHawkeye Work-in-progress Supporter

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    Ahh ... so you're saying she was a flawed human being.

    Agreed.
     
  10. HonestTruth

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  11. amanuensis63

    amanuensis63 Newbie

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    Yes, and that flaw (fake hard line ideology) should be eliminated from the political landscape. In other words if the woman who came up with this hardcore ideal couldn't even adhere to it when times got tough for her, then indeed, no one should be asked to have that flawed political philosophy held over them.
     
  12. NightHawkeye

    NightHawkeye Work-in-progress Supporter

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    LOL, thanks for bringing that up, Amanuensis. :oldthumbsup:

    THE MYTH ABOUT AYN RAND AND SOCIAL SECURITY | AynRand.org

    In essence, Social Security seizes the money of a young worker and gives it to an older person to pay for his retirement. This is combined with the grisly hope, falsely labeled a promise, that when this young victim reaches retirement age, there will be enough new young workers earning enough money for the government to now victimize them to pay for his retirement.

    What’s moral about this? If you and I wrote a computer program to siphon a few percent from young people’s bank accounts and deposit the proceeds into the accounts of the elderly, we would be branded criminals. What makes it moral if the government does it? The fact that a lot of us voted for it? Should we say the same about Prohibition or segregation laws?
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    Social Security is not voluntary. Your participation is forced through payroll taxes, with no choice to opt out even if you think the program harmful to your interests. If you consider such forced “participation” unjust, as Rand does, the harm inflicted on you would only be compounded if your announcement of the program’s injustice precludes you from collecting Social Security.

    This being said, your moral integrity does require that you view the funds only as (partial) restitution for all that has been taken from you by such welfare schemes and that you continue, sincerely, to oppose the welfare state.
    Questions?
     
  13. FreeinChrist

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    Folks, this is not General Apologetics. The thread has already had 2 clean ups and so now the thread is closed.


    For the record, salvation does not come with the simple words "I believe" said after a whim of man. It comes after God (Godhead) has looked at your true intent, if you repent, if your request is sincere, whether you actually believe, and then it is the God (Godhead) that cleanses and creates the new man, adopts us as His child and then indwells the believer to guide him.

    If you have questions about Christianity, start a thread in the Exploring Christianity forum in Outreach.
     
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