Liberals, why do you believe people are entitled to the work of others?

[Red Fox]

If it were truly free, everybody will be in heaven.

I know there are scriptures in which Jesus said it would cost someone everything to follow Him.

For example: Leaving All to Follow Christ

 

[Aldebaran]

Which supports my original post saying it is earned. One must do something to receive the gift.

So if you accept a gift from someone, do you take credit for that gift simply because you accepted it?
Dad: Here you go, son! I bought you a brand new car for your birthday!
Son: Thanks, Dad! But it's not exactly a gift since I have to put in the "work" of accepting it from you!
Dad: Learn some gratitude, son!

 

[JustOneWay]

How so? I mean, even if something were free, if I don't accept it I don't get it. That doesn't mean it's not free.

It is not free if one must agree to stipulations of the contract.

It would be truly free if one denied Jesus and still ends up in heaven.

 

[JustOneWay]

So if you accept a gift from someone, do you take credit for that gift simply because you accepted it?
Dad: Here you go, son! I bought you a brand new car for your birthday!
Son: Thanks, Dad! But it's not exactly a gift since I have to put in the "work" of accepting it from you!
Dad: Learn some gratitude, son!

The gift comes only after satisfying the conditions in order to receive the gift. In this case, one must give in order to get.

 

[Aldebaran]

The gift comes only after satisfying the conditions in order to receive the gift. In this case, one must give in order to get.

So how did you earn your salvation?

 

[JustOneWay]

So how did you earn your salvation?

I already posted that. Don't make me repeat myself. #773

 

[Skaloop]

You seem to understand the idea very well.

Yeah, so why are people entitled to salvation if salvation is the work on another person?

 

[Aldebaran]

I already posted that. Don't make me repeat myself. #773

So you accepted Jesus. Are you going to boast about that before other people as to what you've done to get to Heaven? Remember what Paul said about salvation being a gift?


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, so why are people entitled to salvation if salvation is the work on another person?

I already told you. They're not entitled. Nobody is entitled to receive a gift from anyone.

 

[Skaloop]

I already told you. They're not entitled. Nobody is entitled to receive a gift from anyone.

Nobody is entitled to receive welfare, either.

I could get salvation from Jesus without doing anything. Others can do a whole bunch of stuff and not get salvation from Jesus. How is that not socialist?

 

[JustOneWay]

So you accepted Jesus. Are you going to boast about that before other people as to what you've done to get to Heaven? Remember what Paul said about salvation being a gift?


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I haven't said a thing about you and your salvation. So back off.

If you can't have a discussion without making it personal then this place is not for you.

 

[JustOneWay]

I could get salvation from Jesus without doing anything.

Again, untrue. One must accept Jesus as Savior....

that is doing something.

 

[Aldebaran]

Nobody is entitled to receive welfare, either.

I could get salvation from Jesus without doing anything. Others can do a whole bunch of stuff and not get salvation from Jesus. How is that not socialist?

Romans 10:13:
for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

 

[Aldebaran]

I haven't said a thing about you and your salvation. So back off.

If you can't have a discussion without making it personal then this place is not for you.

I haven't said anything about yours either. All I did was ask for your testimony.

 

[JustOneWay]

I haven't said anything about yours either. All I did was ask for your testimony.

My testimony is none of your business.

 

[Aldebaran]

My testimony is none of your business.

Not the kind of answer we're to give one another. "but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect" 1 Peter 3:15

 

[Red Fox]

Romans 10:13:
for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

So, if I understand this correctly, that means that every single person, atheist or not, who once called upon the name of the Lord will still be saved.

 

[JustOneWay]

Not the kind of answer we're to give one another. "but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect" 1 Peter 3:15

I would give you another answer except I'd we warned.

I don't know you from Adam.

 

[JustOneWay]

Freedom is not free.

 

[Red Fox]

My testimony is none of your business.

I agree with you. It's rather presumptuous to ask for someone's testimony in a public thread like this, especially when it's not even the topic of the thread.

It's like calling that person out and putting them on the spot, IMHO.