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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Violet Edge, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    Didn't the Son return to his Father after he confessed his sin????
     
  2. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Evangelical Catholic Supporter

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    That's actually not the pertinent part of the parable, and probably not the most important point Jesus was emphasizing. The elder brother actually walked away from the reconciliation of his family due to resentment.

    For centuries, the Church told only one side of that parable, the part that was penance heavy (because the Church saw penance as its whole reason for being at one time), but I don't think that was Jesus original intent.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Ummmm.... this is embarrassing to the us government and agencies.... so most people never heard about this....

    Sorry to say, except rejoice in the truth finally, yes, the u.s.government and agencies thereof were responsible directly and in a way forcfully.
    What american, what farmer, what banker would dare go against them ?

    There was one wonderful book, long ago, long forgotten,
    about the protocol/ trained / enforced corruption of the american farmers.

    It's title was something like farmer's folly, or the folly of plowing, or something like that.

    Yes, yes indeed, the united states government took charge early on (corruptly),
    and so was responsible for the dust bowl, wholly accountable to God for what happened to the families, and to the land (not just there, but as God says much much more also) .
     
  4. Major1

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    O I agree completely with you! We as Christians should do the Godly thing and bring about change to our world BECAUSE we work for the Lord Jesus.

    All I am saying is that our mission is what Jesus gave the apostles and it was to "Go to all the world and spread the gospel".

    Then when men get saved they will want to make Godly efforts to exault Christ in what they do so that HE gets the glory!
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Sort of right, yes. The son that stayed, could be portrayed as the members who sinned grievously but stayed in the good grace of 'the church' such as it was/ is.
    Sinners that don't repent, but still think they are upright and good or even just okay, as they are, without needing to repent.
     
  6. Major1

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    I disagree with you.

    The older brother lived in his own choices. The older brother allowed his anger to take root in his heart to the point that he is unable to show compassion towards his brother, and, for that matter he is unable to forgive the perceived sin of his father against him. He prefers to nurse his anger rather than enjoy fellowship with his father, brother and the community. He chooses suffering and isolation over restoration and reconciliation

    The important teaching of the parable is NOT THE SON at all. It is about the Father who takes a son back.
     
  7. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Is it written "spread the gospel " ? or "teach/preach/ live the gospel " ?

    The difference being "spread" might seem to imply that people believe it and repent, which is not guaranteed and in fact not practical.
    "Lights" in the world are usually rejected, though they may stay Lights, they cannot change those who are in darkness. We cannot make seeds grow by sowing nor by watering - for it is Yahweh Alone Who Gives Growth, As He Pleases.

    So then this - change might happen, almost always does, though not always the change we seek. We cannot bring about change necessarily , no, not at all, as seen all through the world since about 100a.d. or 200a.d. , and throughout the world today (such a disaster everywhere).

    Oh, working for Yeshua as His slave , His disciple, His people, are lights in the world, very very different than the churches that joined the world,
    and perhaps a soul here or there is saved (AND ALL THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN REJOICE EVERY TIME ONE SOUL IS SAVED !!!!!!!!!!!!!! HALLELUYAH !!!!!!)
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    HALLELUYAH! and the HOPE it is for US ! MARANANTHA !
     
  9. Major1

    Major1 Well-Known Member

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    Amen and AMen!!!!
     
  10. Major1

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    Well, I am not quite old enough to remember, almost but not quite yet, however the history books tell us that the reason for those "dust bowls" were in fact from severe drought and poor soil conservation practices.

    History of the USA says that in 1862, Congress passed the Homestead Act. Most of the settlers farmed their land or grazed cattle. The farmers plowed the prairie grasses and planted dry land wheat. As the demand for wheat products grew, cattle grazing was reduced, and millions more acres were plowed and planted.

    Dry land farming on the Great Plains led to the systematic destruction of the prairie grasses. In the ranching regions, overgrazing also destroyed large areas of grassland. Gradually, the land was laid bare, and significant environmental damage began to occur. Among the natural elements, the strong winds of the region were particularly devastating.

    My only point is that it was not from social injustice or government overreach or religious persecution.

    I guess if one wanted to blame the government, he could do it by saying the government should have told farmers NOT to plow their rows in straight lines so as to prevent erosion, but then isn't that something that a farmer should know????
     
  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    I found it. The book, it is called plowman's folly. Taught to all the farmers, commercial and otherwise. A disaster. Known a long, long time ago. The book is still available although it doesn't cost a dollar any more !
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Just like in many large churches, what they teach is not questioned.
    The government had little resistance perhaps (maybe much - like to the unions and to the railroads and to the assembly lines there was many revolts against all those ... squashed by the government and big business and churches that went along with the world's government) .... and also remember the government (so-called advanced 'white man' destroyed multitudes of Native American families, Eskimo families , others known and unknown (overseas included), and how many species/ animals/ insects/ via bad practices pollution industrialization poisoning persons everywhere radiation lies and more lies promoting what is bad for everyone (except profit!mongers) ....... and so on and on ...
    souls being MARKETED like chattel, destroyed with no remorse (governments and corporations and companies and some religious groups have no living conscience nor heart nor concern) .....
     
  13. rjs330

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    Because you claim that it is Christian to force people to give. I would like to see some evidence of that.
     
  14. Vicomte13

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    Ok then, are you subject to the Ten Commandments?
     
  15. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Not from the Bible,
    but as practiced world wide for many centuries, yes, that has happened more often than not.....

    it might be called "persuasion" to give though, or falsely "God demands" or "God requires" and stuff like that - false teachings that people are too something to challenge so they just go along with the crowd thinking they "have to" give or be condemned or exiled ....
     
  16. Major1

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    I don't know brother. Seems like a stretch to me.
     
  17. Vicomte13

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    Yes, from the Bible. I'm surprise that you Sola Scripturalist types can't put your finger right upon it.
    So, are you subject to the 10 Commandments? Yes or no?
     
  18. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Good. Ask Yahweh. To find out things not with 2 or 3 witnesses present , and so different than what the fake news says (in every way), is often devastating and embarrassing (for most people this is true, and many never get thru it but keep denying it) .......

    The main thing learned in truth is trust Yahweh, He is Faithful Always, and He Cares.
     
  19. Major1

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    Do you mean to imply that we are human beings should not be subject to "Do not murder".
    What about "Do not commit adultery".

    Are you trying to say that it is OK to lie, and steal because we are NOT JEWS and we can do those things??????

    Are you trying to validate your need to bow down to a graven image which is forbidden in the 1 st Commandment because you are a Catholic?????????

    Very strange way of thinking my friend.
     
  20. Vicomte13

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    I'm not implying anything. I am asking a direct question. Can you give a direct answer: Are we subject to the Ten Commandments? Yes or no?
     
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