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It seems that the deciding factor was that including it would necessitate labeling a very large segment of western society as having a mental illness. (What are we up to in the U.S.? One third are obese?)

I think they made the right call.
 
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It seems that the deciding factor was that including it would necessitate labeling a very large segment of western society as having a mental illness. (What are we up to in the U.S.? One third are obese?)

I think they made the right call.

It would also have a huge implication on the economy. If a third of the population is labelled with a mental illness, that would mean anyone who is obese could go on social service disability. It would impact pharmaceutical companies - people would expect it to be managed by psych meds. It would affect insurance companies, health insurance costs would go through the roof for those who are healthy weight and still working, etc....not to mention that not all obese people are addicted to food. Tbh, I'm not even sure why it was on the table to start with. I can see certain food addictions, yes. But not food in general, without obesity as part of the diagnostic criteria.
 
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And also, whenever I see this thread title, I start singing in my head "let's talk about, fat, baby, let's talk about you and me ..." Because Thursday.

Me three!!


Agreed.

I've seen many people who were obese and simply decided to change their dietary habits lose vast amounts of weight with relatively little effort (sure, a craving here and there, but they just made up their mind and went for it). But other people who suffer from genuine compulsive eating or food addiction are a whole other story. Food for them is literally like a drug, and it takes a lot more effort and work to change their habits. They can't just "decide" to overhaul their entire diet and have it work on the first try. Their brains are chemically addicted to the foods they eat, and they will go through actual, physical symptoms of withdrawal (headaches, fatigue, moodiness, anxiety, depression).

I encourage anyone who wants to know more to watch some of the really awesome recent documentaries on food and the food industry in America. Some great ones are "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead", "Food, Inc", and "Forks Over Knives". Our current food industry is designed to make us addicted to certain foods and completely screw up our natural responses. The more I learn, the more inspired I am to get away from all processed foods and start a more plant-based, whole foods diet, preferably with local products rather than big-industry, factory-created items.

I'm curious then, since I don't know a lot about this kind of stuff, wouldn't the juice be technically better, since it has "natural" sugar vs. the soda that has not only chemicals that can damage our system, but added sugar?

Sugar is one of my last food battles, too. I've beaten my addiction to soda and some other things, but sugar - especially CHOCOLATE - is still a struggle for me. I've traditionally allowed myself a small portion of chocolate per day. But the more I read about processed sugar... the more I realize that I don't just enjoy chocolate, I am seriously, truly addicted to it. As in, I get antsy, fidgety, and irritable if I don't have it. Today I am attempting to forego sweets altogether; no chocolate, no nothing. Our bodies weren't created to receive a constant influx of sugar (which is now in everything from fruit juice to ketchup to salad dressing); sugar should be a now-and-then treat and nothing more.

I'm also planning to do a big grocery trip this weekend and stock up on some new whole food, vegetarian meal ideas. My whole family are meat lovers, and while I don't plan to go completely vegan or anything, I really want to cut back on the meat and dairy that we consume. Drastically.

Wow, this thread is going in all kinds of directions now lol.
 
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I don't believe that self-reporting is unreliable because people are liars, I believe it's unreliable because we don't really remember what we aren't paying attention to.

Hahaha, people on a diet DO pay attention to what they eat. They don't grab a mouthful of their kids' macaroni or a handful of nuts. That's absurd. A person who purposefully eats a 1,200 calorie diet will definitely get that pretty close to that amount. You underestimate people!

If I asked someone how many times they touched their own face today, and they answered "five or six", but my creepy hidden cameras revealed that they had touched their own face 42 times, it wouldn't be because they were lying.

Yeah, because no one is aware of touching their face. But work with raw egg or meat in the kitchen, and I'll bet none of them touch their face, because they have a reason not to and are consciously aware of it!
Anyone who stops eating today will lose body fat (among other things).

Sorry, but this is such a dumb observation. Obviously if you just quit eating you will slowly starve to death. But if you simply spread your calories more evenly throughout the day, you'll also lose weight, and faster. A lot of people have gained weight by eating 900 calories at dinner only, and lost weight by eating 1,200 calories throughout the day. The days of telling people to "stop eating" have come and gone. Get over it.
 
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Is it judgmental to not find everyone on earth physically sexually attractive?

you know what, this is so far from my reality that I can't even answer it.
I just don't look at people and say 'yes/no physically sexually attractive'

sexually attractive was just not a way I looked at anyone when I was married, except my husband. Aesthetically pleasing to my eye is almost limited to clean, covered. And I even smiled at the people who couldn't be clean.
 
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This thread is about physical sexual attraction between spouses, specifically involving controllable (with varying difficulty) aspects such as body fat.

If you see only your husband as physically sexually attractive, are you "judging" everyone else on earth as not physically sexually attractive?

If not, then judgmentalism is off topic for this thread.
 
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I call bollocks on anyone over the age of 3 eating 900 calories a day and gaining weight. That is sheer deluded fantasy. Where does the fat come from? Osmosis? Is it floating around in the air? Perhaps holding one's breath would be a better solution.
 
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I call bollocks on anyone over the age of 3 eating 900 calories a day and gaining weight. That is sheer deluded fantasy. Where does the fat come from? Osmosis? Is it floating around in the air? Perhaps holding one's breath would be a better solution.

So.....because you haven't (personally) experienced this.....it's "sheer deluded fantasy"?

Our bodies have an amazing ability of protecting themselves. I'm not a nutritionist (or even pretending to be one), but battling this (for years with the "try harder.....eat less....work out obsessively program) with no success----I had to dig deeper (once my daughter was older, and I had the time.....as it's very time consuming).

This is often the effects of a reduced caloric intake.......and how weight gain occurs.


Also.....our bodies will often release more cortisol when the body is stressed. That also causes the body to store more fat & lose more muscle. Excess cortisol can also cause Cushings disease----which can be fatal.

 
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It's not about my personal experience, it's about physics.

If there are magical fat people who create energy out of nothing and store it as fat, that would be the discovery of the millenium. Think of it. We could learn how to harvest said energy, and pay these magical folks a stipend to collect from them. Boom. Obesity epidemic over. Oil dependence over. Climate change stopped in it's tracks overnight.
 
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It's not about my personal experience, it's about physics.
Actually......biology....not physics.


I think you should cut back on the snark (first of all).

It's not "creating energy out of nothing"........we're talking about people that do eat *something* (just a greatly reduced amount----because of people like you that suggest that's what they *ought* to do. If it's not "working"....then, they need to try harder). That doesn't work (and it wreaks havoc on our body systems----sometimes permanently). It's bad information.

You are obviously not bringing this up to learn.....but instead (it seems) to unleash your (unusual) disdain towards people that have this struggle.

Sometimes people can only empathize when they've personally lived through something. That's too bad.
 
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Oh! And we could learn to isolate the gene responsible for this and deliver this trait to others. End famine. End world hunger. End starvation entirely. Food itself would become a thing of the past!

Really? Just stop.
 
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This isn't about disdain at all. I just don't believe it. I don't believe it's even possible.

If anyone can show me a case of an adult person over 3 1/2 feet tall who, while eating a diet of 900 calories a day as strictly monitored by an independent third party, gained weight, I'll not only eat my words, but I'll write a scathing letter to my representatives demanding new research.
 
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What CG's mom's doctor suggested to her is probably the best life-long plan (which was to *increase* the amount of food she was eating---with a healthful composition of quality foods). Even that isn't typically the whole solution (like others have brought up.....there can be other obstacles as well).
 
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I'm not going to try to convince you, Seeing Eyes. If you want to read up on it.....I do think this book packs in a lot of information and it's only $2.99 (you can read it on your browser).



THE CALORIE MYTH is the simplification and application of more than 1,300 academic studies. The supporting scientific literature and scientific documentation is included to back up what Bailor writes.
 
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