Let's look at the Green New Deal being presented in Congress

[Nithavela]

Name six places in the US that have temperatures of 117

Did you even read the article?

You wanted an example on how climate change influences the cost of air travel. I provided, so now you are moving the goalposts and want six more?

I think I can easily declare myself the winner in this little exchange and stop wasting time with it.

You can do the same, if it makes you feel better.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

I find it funny that over the past 25+ years that I’ve been hearing about this, it’s aleays 10+ years into the future.

I understand that when people get their science from non-science sources, filtered through the mass media that one would focus on the simplified version of "failed forecasts", but the fact remains that even if this forecast isn't totally on the mark, there WILL come a time beyond which our ability to make necessary changes will happen. This is what is important to know about: Equilibrium warming. Right now we aren't even close to equilibrium. Which means that even if we were stop burning fossil fuels today, right now, all over the world....we'd still be in for about a century of additional warming. It's like hitting the brakes while you're on ice...you don't know exactly where it's going to stop but you know it isn't where you applied the brakes.

We know how global warming works, the science is solid. We've known pretty much everything we need to about the warming for about 60 years. The details of no longer a matter of if but of when.

And maybe you should get your money back.

That is extremely insulting.

 

[Hammster]

We know how global warming works, the science is solid. We've known pretty much everything we need to about the warming for about 60 years. The details of no longer a matter of if but of when.

Right. But NOW is 10 to 12 years into the future. They were wrong 25 years ago. But you all have it figured out now.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Belk]

Right. But NOW is 10 to 12 years into the future. They were wrong 25 years ago. But you all have it figured out now.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Who is "they" and what specifically were they wrong about?

 

[Speedwell]

Right. But NOW is 10 to 12 years into the future. They were wrong 25 years ago. But you all have it figured out now.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

They weren't wrong 25 years ago. The effects of global warming are being felt now, all over the world. The only point at issue is exactly when it will be too late to turn it around.

 

[Hammster]

Who is "they" and what specifically were they wrong about?

Global Warming Has Begun, Expert Tells Senate

And a follow up

Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?

 

[Hammster]

They weren't wrong 25 years ago. The effects of global warming are being felt now, all over the world. The only point at issue is exactly when it will be too late to turn it around.

Mkay.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Right. But NOW is 10 to 12 years into the future. They were wrong 25 years ago. But you all have it figured out now.

So you are skeptical. Do you doubt the science? As I said even if the current 10-12 year estimate isn't dead on, you must surely understand that it WILL happen one day. There WILL come a time that we are unable to deal with the warming and it won't matter what we do then, right?

This is why it is important to balance out an actual understanding of the SCIENCE and try to pare it out from the short-term predictions.

This is known science. The same science that you rely on every single day. It's not a matter of if, but when.

(And I really do want to reiterate that you grossly insulted me by slamming my education and degree. Seriously, it was EXTREMELY offensive.)

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Mkay.

The poster is right. We ARE seeing the effects of global warming. Sure some of the more extreme predictions haven't come to pass, but there's almost no one in the sciences who doubts that unless we start to take some serious action and soon we WILL reap the whirlwind.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Global Warming Has Begun, Expert Tells Senate

And a follow up

Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?

Have you considered getting your science from actual science sources rather than the WSJ or political reporting?

 

[GlabrousDory4]

They weren't wrong 25 years ago. The effects of global warming are being felt now, all over the world. The only point at issue is exactly when it will be too late to turn it around.

I think this is the key that scoffers like to pass over. They act as if the "point of no return" will be something that we know at the time it happens. In reality that "point of no return" will only be known after the fact. Long after we've passed it we'll realize it's too late.

That is why people who want to be skeptics must learn the science, not just the political spin. They need to get down and dirty with the actual data, not just read Wall Street Journal Opinion pieces.

 

[Belk]

Global Warming Has Begun, Expert Tells Senate

And a follow up

Thirty Years On, How Well Do Global Warming Predictions Stand Up?

Thank you for your response but it is behind a paywall. Would you be so kind as to give me a couple of the specific issues you feel makes the point?

 

[Hammster]

So you are skeptical. Do you doubt the science? As I said even if the current 10-12 year estimate isn't dead on, you must surely understand that it WILL happen one day. There WILL come a time that we are unable to deal with the warming and it won't matter what we do then, right?

This is why it is important to balance out an actual understanding of the SCIENCE and try to pare it out from the short-term predictions.

This is known science. The same science that you rely on every single day. It's not a matter of if, but when.

(And I really do want to reiterate that you grossly insulted me by slamming my education and degree. Seriously, it was EXTREMELY offensive.)

It’s always going to happen one day. They’ve been saying it for 30 years.

And if you don’t use fallacies, I won’t mock your education. Fair enough?

 

[Hammster]

Thank you for your response but it is behind a paywall. Would you be so kind as to give me a couple of the specific issues you feel makes the point?

Thirty years ago Hansen made predictions that did not come true.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

It’s always going to happen one day. They’ve been saying it for 30 years.

And if you don’t use fallacies, I won’t mock your education. Fair enough?

No, it’s not ok. I have used no fallacy.

Do not mock other people.

Thanks

 

[Hammster]

No, it’s not ok. I have used no fallacy.

Do not mock other people.

Thanks

An argument from authority is a fallacy.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Thirty years ago Hansen made predictions that did not come true.

But Hansen was right that global warming was going to get worse. It is clear you have not read any of the IPCC reports because if you did you would realize that these predictions are presented as SCENARIOS (SRCCs) which predicate events based on our actions. As such if you go back several years you’d know that indeed there are many families of curves based on how we deal with the issues.

Please learn the science in detail especially if you are going to mock people’s education.

Thanks

 

[GoldenBoy89]

And if you don’t use fallacies, I won’t mock your education. Fair enough?

You're a staff member. Is that how the rules work? Can you openly mock another member's education if they resorted to a fallacy?

 

[GlabrousDory4]

An argument from authority is a fallacy.

So I cannot rely on solid science (a lot of which I actually understand I detail) to support my position?

 

[GlabrousDory4]

You're a staff member. Is that how the rules work? Can you openly mock another member's education if they resorted to a fallacy?

This is very disturbing behavior.