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Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, and Transvestites

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by goodnewsinc, May 12, 2012.

  1. goodnewsinc

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    If you are Christian and you know a little about the Bible, you know God put man in the flesh on this earth-stage to undergo a test and a trial with the intrigues of the powers of darkness. Adam and Eve were the first two children to undergo this test. They were told one command, to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We know how that turned out. Devils were created to supply a negative experience, the direct opposite of our true nature of good in our spirit DNA. This is the first stage in our matriculation into eternity. We are handicapped by conditions our Father-Teacher set. Devils are invisible to men and they have been given power to speak to our minds and stimulate our brain and central nervous system. These handicaps against us are designed by the Creator for our eventual learning. Devils have over-powered mankind and mastered all of us, Revelation 13:4-7. In the contest our job is to try as hard as we can to avoid domination by devils and to seek Father’s help if we are fortunate enough to find Him. Our help is the legacy of holy writings left for the wise among us.

    The birth and work of Jesus was a great help to mankind. Father sent him to be His designated Savior and role model for those who would come to earth in later generations. Since trying to figure out what the Creator is doing is impossible at best for man using his thoughts, Jesus left his followers a few helpful rules to protect and defend them against the intrigues of our invisible enemies.

    Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    For one desiring to follow Jesus, his instructions are quite clear. You cannot proclaim that you are a Christian truthfully unless you live by Jesus’ Words and apply them in your daily life.
    Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

    Now consider “lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, and transvestites”. What ideas flood your mind? Do you now VIOLATE JESUS’ COMMAND in Matthew 7:1-2 and become judgmental? Do you feel loathing, disgust and hate for your brethren in such a classification? Their Creator and Father is God, and they are your brothers and sisters. YOUR TEST is just a bit different from Adam’s test. The tree of knowledge of good and evil produces fruits in the form of thoughts and attitudes. The devil (do evil) tells you to judge, despise and hate your own brothers and sisters created by God in His image and likeness if they are LGBT. Many Christians FLUNK THIS TEST.

    Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

    Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

    Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transvestites are part of the love test for all of God’s children who are NOT LIKE THEM. God made them that way to test you. Can you love them as yourself? Do you have a “holier than thou attitude” and hate them? And since God is actually living the life in each human incarnation (”I will dwell in them and walk in them”, 2 Corinthians 6:16) the question becomes, “Do you love me in all forms in which I appear”?

    Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Now for you, the reader, do a self assessment. Where do you stand so far in the eyes of your Father in this love test?

    Romans 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    They are the way they are because God planned to test the rest of us on the depth of our brotherly love. Clearly the Creator made them that way.

    Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

    If you do not like what Father has done in His world with His children, He challenges YOU to make demands of Him if you are that bold!

    Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    Jeremiah 18:2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

    It is not a good thing for straight people to flunk this part of our love testing when and if we see and hear of lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transvestites. Balak wanted Balaam to curse God’s children for him. But as Balaam informed Balak in a question about God’s work, “Shall He not make it good”?


    Here is the rest of the Creator’s PLAN

    Being lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transvestite is a TEST state of being for this world and this life only. The Clay Master told Jeremiah that if the vessel He makes is marred, He has the power to make them over again. Here is how He does it.

    1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Every day we live on earth is a TEST DAY. Hopefully this document will be helpful and enlightening to all who read it. If you wear spotted and wrinkled garments before God (your righteousness, Isaiah 64:6) because you hate and despise the LGBT children God created to test you in brotherly love, hopefully you will understand now what God is doing and improve your standing with Him.


    Psalm 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

    Psalm 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: 24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

    Psalm 138:8 The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.

    Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: 3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

    Zechariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

    Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

    Glorify God!
    God did it! :thumbsup::amen::clap:
     
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  2. YeshuamySalvation

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    I understand your concerns pops. And for the most part i agree with you, detesting homosexuals bisexuals and transvestites are not the only sins against Torah. How about Zoophiles, Necrophiliacs and Pedofiles? Should we hate them? It is an undeniable fact that Torah condemns these behaviors.. I for sure do not hate the people that commit them. However, some of these behaviors do have a very negative affect on people and there families. Though i do not believe the united states was founded on any Torah principles or values, it really has no affect on me whether they want to allow homosexual marriage or not. This Government is not Theocratic and thus it is contradictory to there equal rights amendment not to allow homosexual marriages..
     
  3. Soulgazer

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    Zombies hate Necrophiliacs. ;)
     
  4. YeshuamySalvation

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    Lol:)
     
  5. Cuddles333

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    Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transvestites are part of the love test for all of God’s children who are NOT LIKE THEM. God made them that way to test you. Can you love them as yourself? Do you have a “holier than thou attitude” and hate them? And since God is actually living the life in each human incarnation (”I will dwell in them and walk in them”, 2 Corinthians 6:16) the question becomes, “Do you love me in all forms in which I appear”? [goodnewsinc]


    Well, I'll have to disagree that these folk were created to test God's straight kids. In fact, I'll go as far to say that most of these folk belong to God and are here as an embarrassment and deterent to the false 'straight' brethren:



    1 Corinthians 1:25-29



    25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
    27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
    28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
    29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
     
  6. St_Worm2

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    I know a little about the Bible, enough to know that your First Premise is incorrect, that God made man to "undergo a test and a trial with the ... powers of darkness". Rather, God made man upright (Ecc 7:29), in His own image (Gen 1:26), and was declared by God to be "very good" (Gen 1:31) upon his creation. Man was originally created in perfection, with the capacity to live and commune with God forever.

    Premise #2, "Adam and Eve were given one command". Actually, we know they were given at least two, the first being a general command found in Gen 1:28 ("be fruitful and multiply"). Who knows, maybe if they'd gotten down to obeying the first commandment from the get-go, they wouldn't have considered breaking the second one (having already seen how good obeying God's commands can be .. ;)).

    Premise #3, "Devils were created to supply a negative experience". Chapter and verse, please! It is clear that some of the Holy angels "fell" and followed in Satan's footsteps, but where does the Bible tell us that God created "devils" ... or that He created ANYTHING that is inherently evil?

    Premise #4, "We are handicapped by conditions that our Father-Teacher set". Again, chapter and verse? We were made upright, but we chose to sin, thus permanently breaking our communion with God. But, rather than leaving us in that state, He created a set of "conditions" that allow us to find our way back to Him. First, He allowed us to die so that we would not be stuck in our sinful state and separated from Him for eternity. Second, He sent us His Son to live and die for us that He might redeem us. How can you say that anything the Lord has done has "handicapped" us? Perhaps I am missing something, but what do you mean by that??

    Premise #5, "Devils have over-powered mankind and mastered all of us". This concerns a particular time in our future (see Rev 13:5), a 42 month or 3.5 year period known as the "Great Tribulation". The Beast will be given power and authority over the saints during that specific period of time, but that time is not now, so premise #5, like the four preceding it, is also incorrect.

    This is enough. Your premises are wrong, your exegesis, in an attempt to bend the Scriptures to make them mean or say what you want them to, goes from bad to worse, and your general premise, that God created homosexuals as pawns is, to say the very least, insulting (and certainly has no basis in Scripture).
     
  7. YeshuamySalvation

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    The Eternal does create calamities.. Take a look> Isaiah 45: 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.


    Yeshua my salvation > I believe the Eternal is the Almighty King of the Universe and there is absolutely nothing he is incapable of doing. It is us men that want to attribute these limitations to the Almighty, not that he has any...

     
  8. St_Worm2

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    Isaiah 45:5-7 continues to talk about God's uniqueness and the fact that everything that happens, light or darkness (life or death), prosperity or calamity/disaster, whatever it may be, all is ordained by Him or it does not happen. He is in control of everything.

    The ordaining of a disaster, a physical "evil" if you prefer the AV's choice of words, is a far cry from God creating a creature which is inherently and morally evil, and neither the words nor the context of this passage could cause one to reach such a conclusion. God is not the Author of sin. Quite frankly, if He ever wanted to create a creature whose express purpose was to disobey Him, why would He bother, He already has us .. ;) You continue:

    Really? Can He lie? (see Hebrews 6:18)
     
  9. Jonathan95

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    I love them. But some people don't know it's Sin to be homosexual etc. As a Christian, I am to judge/rebuke them them (Eze 33:9, 2 Tim 3:16, 1 Cor 5:12, 1 Tim 5:20) , telling them to repent. I was bisexual or bi-curious before I was saved. I'm not attracted to men anymore. It's possible to be delivered from homosexuality and so.

    That God created people to be homosexual etc is not true. It's a choice people make. He created Adam and Eve. So it's meant for Man to be with Woman.


    Marriage is to be between Man and Woman, not Woman and Woman or Man and Man, that's unnatural.

    1 Corinthians 6:9
    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


    Effeminate.. cross-dressing is wrong too.


    Fornicators there is (pornos):

    1) a man who prostitutes his body to another's lust for hire
    2) a male prostitute
    3) a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, a fornicator

    "nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (arsenokoitēs)
    1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual


    Effeminate (malakos):

    1) soft, soft to the touch
    2) metaph. in a bad sense
    a) effeminate
    1) of a catamite
    2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
    3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
    4) of a male prostitute
     
  10. YeshuamySalvation

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    Correct.

    I don't believe the Eternal king of the Universe creates inherently and morally evil creatures, i believe as Torah says he creates them (Tov) good not perfect Gen 1:1-31.

    Unless you're totally misunderstanding me, i did not accuse the Eternal of being the author of sin. However, you did mention that he does not create anything inherently evil. Is that not what you said? I understood this very broad statement of yours as applying to everything as a whole and not just evil spirits. The Eternal does create physical Evil against perverse nations and Kings that are deserving of his wrath. From your broad statement it seems that your in denial of this, unless i'm misunderstanding you.

    Now this is silly. I don't believe the Eternal King of the Universe violates or disregards his own word. The Eternal does not have a beginning nor an end, which is the precise word I'm using to describe him. What I'm against is all these limitations we love attribute to the almighty, like he can't do this or that, in reality he could do whatever he wants, he will not do it because his word is flawless and he is flawless and as totally limited and fallible creatures we can never understand all of his might and glory. I don't question what he can do or can't, i don't question rather he exists or not. I only know that the King of the Universe is.

    Shalom friend.
     
  11. YeshuamySalvation

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    Beautiful testimony. It makes me joyful to know that the Eternal delivered you from such a burden. To us men, well at least to me, the most beautiful creation of the creator is women. What beautiful creatures they are aren't they?
     
  12. Jonathan95

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    Yes they are :) We are to take care of them. God has a special heart for widows for example, it seems.

    James 1:27
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

    Colossians 3:18
    Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

    Psalm 68:5
    A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.
     
  13. Phantasman

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    Wow..........good thread.

    My take may be a little different.

    All spirits use these human bodies briefly, some male some female, some black some white, etc. The sins caused by negative influences can range from homosexual to racial to who know what. But in the end, we are all returned to spirits..........no color preference, no sexual preference, etc. It's all how we act here.

    A blind man may not be racial. A deaf man might not have a problem with foreigners. Who are we to judge what is right or wrong? Because we read the Bible? What if 2 men love each other and pray to God each day and only masturbate. Are they worse than a man and woman that goes to church once a week and prays?

    Hate the sin not the sinner. Pray for them. Do not judge them. I have gay friends. And love them as friends. To desert them would not be Christ like.
     
  14. St_Worm2

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    Shalom to you too Brother and, agreed on all points. I think we've really been saying the same thing all along (but coming at it a little differently from one another) since it's clear to me after reading what you wrote above that we believe the exact same things.

    Yours and His,
    David
     
  15. Jonathan95

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    And only masturbate? That's sinful too, just as homosexuality. Heb 10:26 (especially verse 29), and 1 John 3:7-10 makes it clear we can't do a Sin here and there and think we are okay/will be okay. It's lies from Satan.."A sin wont hurt"..."God is love"...read: (John 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    1 Peter 2:16
    As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

    Hebrews 10:26-30
    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
    30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    1 John 3:7-10
    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

    Returned to spirits? If they live like that they'll perish. It's not Christ like to give people a false hope. It's loving to rebuke them, telling them they can't live like that and have eternal life.

    Luke 13:3
    I tell you, No; but unless you repent ( change your mind for the better and heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins), you will all likewise perish and be lost eternally.


    Two simple verses. God meant for us to be man and woman, not man and man/woman and woman, it's unnatural.

    1 Corinthians 11:8-9
    8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
    9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
     
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    I think it's a terrible thread. All of my years spent as a man of God, and conversations like this make me wonder if it was worth the sacrifice.


    Since when is bigotry, prejudice and misogyny something we should celebrate? This is where someone inevitably brings up that crap that "God never changes". Men sure can, and he had better.

    I have ministered to many gays. They didn't choose to be gay, any more than my grandfather chose to have red skin. It's not something they "chose". Nor can they stop being gay. Better a gay man who hurts no one, than a straight man who hurts everyone by his flapping tongue.

    Any man who somehow feels superior to a woman, should be changed into one. The shelters are full of women who have had it up to here with their "Christian" husbands. Woman did NOT come from man. Man came from woman, straight out of the womb, balling and squalling, and spends nearly every waking minute trying to crawl back in. Whatever creation Adam and Eve was in, is not this one.

    Masturbation? Know who has NEVER masturbated in the whole history of mankind? Children born without arms or hands. Thousands every year. Instead of worrying about something everybody does, how about doing what not enough people do? Help fight birth defects.

    With men finding better and better weapons and more and more excuses to use them, God has better things to do than peek in bedroom windows, and so should we.

    Paul was hardly an expert on family and sexuality. I have seen too many young adults grow up thinking they are marrying for the "right" reason....they burn with lust. Oh, they can quote it to me. Then they marry. Then they grow up and divorce. Then they thank God for that, and wish they had spent a couple more years masturbating, and a few less worried about "God" hiding under their beds.
     
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  17. YeshuamySalvation

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    Shalom my dear brother.. Well, it was my fault for not being very specific as to what i meant in that post i addressed to you. Maybe all of this misunderstanding would have been avoided if i would have specified.. Thank the Almighty that this thread has not gotten out of hand, for this subject is very controversial. I hope it remains this way... I am Ralph by the way, nice to meet you David..

    Hope to see you post something very interesting in this thread real soon.

    Many blessings.
     
  18. Jonathan95

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    It's not bigotry, I used The Word of God to prove my point about gays etc.


    Read this awesome testimony, he left Homosexuality after 19 years. Jesus delivered him.
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/vict...-19-years-click-here-to-read-/142543939129007

    They have homosexual demons. They can't stop being Gay? You are saying they can't stop living in unrepentant sin. Don't you believe Jesus blood has power to break every chains?:

    Hebrews 9:14
    How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    That nothing is impossible for God? (Luke 1:37) For with God nothing shall be impossible.


    If God made them like that, or approved of it, his Word wouldn't say:

    1 Corinthians 6:9
    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    Transexuality is also Sinful:

    Deuteronomy 22:5
    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.



    Well they are superior I think, why else does The Word of God say this, and for wives to submit to husbands? I have evidence:

    1 Corinthians 11:9
    Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

    Ok, well then they don't obey the Word of God (evidence below). A demon of rebellion too maybe?

    Ephesians 5:22
    Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

    Disobeying that would be SIN. Sin is NEVER good.

    Wrong. The Word of God doesn't say that. I have evidence that you are wrong:

    1 Corinthians 11:8-9
    8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
    9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

    That's not a valid argument. We don't watch pornography/go to wild parties like the rest of the world just because they do it. If we know a brother is living in unrepentant Sin by living in masturbation, ofcourse as a brother in Christ we are to rebuke them (1 Thess 5:14, 2 Tim 3:16). That is love to do that, since we can hopefully have them turn from something that will lead them to perish (Luk 13:5).

    We are to "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Heb 12:14). To be holy means to be set apart from the world, or something like that. We are to keep ourselves unspotted from the world (Jam 1:27).

    You think he doesn't care about Sin? He knows everything we do. He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient etc. How else would we be able to be judged on judgement day if he didn't know everything?

    Hebrews 4:13
    And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

    Job 28:24
    For he looks to the ends of the earth
    and sees everything under the heavens.

    Don't you believe he knows everything we do? Read verses above.

    They divorce? Well that's Sin just like masturbation. Sin is NEVER good.

    I have evidence that masturbation is Sin btw. One simple thing is that it can't be done by faith, thus sinful (Rom 14:23).
     
  19. Soulgazer

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    It's a matter of degree. Think you can stop sinning? You can't. You are going to lose your temper. That equates with murder. I have a whole lot more problem with people finding reasons to hate other people than I do with what is between two consenting adults. Saying someone has a "demon" in public is a whole lot worse than what they do in private.

    I remember when the exact same arguments were about inter racial marriages. God didn't fall off His throne then, and He's not going to now.

    You don't want to be gay? Neither do the majority of gays. Some guilt ridden bi who can hit either way is not a repentant gay. You can't be a repentant gay anymore than you can be a repentant Chicana.

    It's a whole lot easier to see evil in others than evil in oneself.....something about a speck and a log.

    As to women coming from men? A bronze age story to explain creation is no match for delivery room footage. Any man who feels superior to his wife does not have a marriage.....no matter what is written. Someday she will open her eyes, grab the car keys and head down the road. Blame her all you want. Nobody has to live as a second class person.
     
  20. Phantasman

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    Sir, I couldn't agree more, and by by "good" thread I meant one to sound off on.

    The Bible was created during a patriarch time. In most cases, it's this male (testosterone) patriarchy that has been leading the destruction of this world since the beginning.

    Eve started it all. God may have given Eve the Wisdom and Adam the Strength. Why else would Satan choose Eve. He had to choose the wiser of the two to sway the less wiser. Had he chosen the weaker, things may had turned out different.

    But women take the blame, due to men. And since men are stronger, they are not wiser, so recklessly, they get their way and run things like spoiled children. Compare Congress or news for men sex crimes against women sex crimes.

    Remember 7 women followed Jesus as well as 12 men. Never hear much about them, do you?
     
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