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"Legend of Korra", Eastern Views, T.V & Ethics: What Can Christians learn from Anime?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by Gxg (G²), Oct 8, 2013.

  1. Near

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    I have family members who celebrate Christmas, I don't really care for it though. (I'm not trying to come off as angry whatsoever btw)

    "Jesus came to give us a way out, and one day it will be gone for good"

    I think that's the point though. I believe we're supposed to live lives of self-denial, because Jesus is the way out. I wont say anyone is on the broad path to destruction because they watch a few tv shows, but I will ask the questions: Should we say goodbye to the tv shows we once loved, right now instead of later?
    If Jesus is our way out of the world? Are we trying to get back to the world through the escapes of the shows and stories we entertain ourselves with?
     
  2. awitch

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    "Pass the popcorn"?
     
  3. Gxg (G²)

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    Don't know what era of Power Rangers you're talking about, as it was NEVER just about fighting and there WERE kiss scenes..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpJCnqaCd3g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ92R5Ex10Y

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wBIgwvybaY

    Depends on who's watching. I've known many Power-Ranger fans who've long pointed out that other shows were way superior to it in all the categories you mentioned...with Avatar being among the top shows.

    There's nothing in existence that isn't used in one way or another by the world. The way many react would be akin to saying Coffee is sinful because witches were drinking it at Starbucks - or that believers who drink coffee at Starbucks are supporting sin due to the symbol of the lady on the front of it. The internet itself, made by non-Christians, is used by both Christians and Non-Christian alike - but we don't claim we're now responsible for all the mess done by non-believers because of where there are common interests. Not even Jesus did that when he ate/drank with sinners and shared commonality with them while also being distinct.
    None of that actually deals with the show - but oh well.

    As said before, if one is going to be in the thread, they need to actually be concerned with liking anime - but if they don't value that, the thread isn't for them. All cartoons in mainstream existence, from Looney Toons to Tom & Jerry to movies like "Gone with the Wind" .....

    And as others like C.S Lewis and J.L Tolkien have noted in #208 before wisely, not all aspects of paganism were ever condemned in scripture when it came to the use of Scripture and Mythology.

    Seeing that others in the times of the Bible already studied from other cultures and believers had no issue with it, the real question is "How did believers handle themselves when it came to mythology in their time? Not everything was condemned and it would be dishonest to claim otherwise. Proverbs and Daniel - who studied astrology (as did the Wiseman) - are notable examples.

    The heavens do declare the glory of God and There's no reason to assume that the early world was "primitive" or "off" simply because of the fact that they held to views supporting a lot with astrology (seen as a science..from studying dreams to constellations, etc.) - including others such as Daniel (Daniel 2:27-28) and the Wisemen (more in MYSTAGOGY: The Magi and the Star: An Orthodox Understanding ...even though the Lord did note that people were not to look to the stars rather than Him, per Jeremiah 10:2-3 and Deuteronomy 4:19 and Acts 7:42-43) - and likewise, there's no reason to do the same with the Early Church or world before the era where Science sought to disprove God alongside all other forms of spirit.

    I'm reminded of some pictures in one article I saw with the Zodiac and Christ. I very much agree with the general thrust of the article's views (more in Most of The Time The Earth Is Flat - Orthodox Arts Journal ), right to the Homeric allusion at the end., I am glad for the enumeration on the creatures of the zodiac that St. John of Damascus was not fearful of in his text, “On the Orthodox Faith.” (here and here) - as he noted in The Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, Book II, Chap. Vii:






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    And as others have noted, if things made by others not serving God is wrong, one needs to leave the world (which St. Paul warns about in I Corinthians 5). Everything - from the T.V to the Post Office to Parks - were made by unbelievers.

    Even Paul already referenced the culture as a means of preaching Christ - per Acts 17....and all wisdom finds its center in Christ. Even Jewish believers - when preaching on ideas and precepts that were not explictly preached by Jesus - understood this basic concept. when it comes the issue of contexualization/referencing things in culture as the Apostles, the Prophets and many others did. Otherwise, one has no business on the internet at all seeing where it didn't originate in the Bible - and the same with multiple other things (i.e. cars, books, iPad, Literature/Poetry from the Classics to Biographies, etc.) - and this was discussed earlier in #3/#94 as well as in #890

    That said, as said before, if one is not going to address the OP or stay on topic with discussion, it is asked one please take it elsewhere. For it is not in line with the subject on others interested in anime or Christians who are interested in anime sharing thought.


    Again, as already said, if you're not going to deal with the thread, the thread is not for you. It is also not a place to be vulgar (which can be reported since such language is inflammatory on the board) - if you don't like something, no need for that. Using language describing human waste is beyond inappropriate for the forum - and the Scriptures already note how we should be speaking if claiming Christ:

    Ephesians 4:29-5:5
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    29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.

    Walk in Love
    5 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

    3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.​


    But if you're going to be in the thread, it is asked you respect the OP and the thread intent.

    This is NOT a thread for denouncing anime or using it as a platform for claiming anything in disagreement with one's views is automatically "of the world" when the scriptures often showed believers (with God's permission) using things of the world to learn and teach.

    Anime, as it is, was never about teaching nice qualities.
     
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  4. Gxg (G²)

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    Whether or not you really care for Christmas, as it concerns the thread, is a bit inconsequential - as there is never a need to be vulgar or crass in language as was done earlier (Ephesians 4:29-Ephesians 5:1-4).

    Whether or not one says good-bye to any T.V show is a matter between them and Christ. And in many things, where others try to invoke condemnation, Christ has already noted that believers have freedom in Him (Romans 14, I Corinthians 8, etc.) and there are many things that scripture never said others had any room to even ask "Well, why not give it up now since it will be gone later?"

    The same question can be asked of yourself with regards to using the internet - why not stop using it now rather than continue since it will end at some point? It can be seen of the world - but again, that's subjective.
     
  5. Gxg (G²)

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    World leaders would still be fitting seeing that Tenzin himself was once on the Council of the United Republics City - and he represents the Air Bending nation which is a lot. Moreover, there are 5 countries: Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, Air Nomads and the Water Tribes...and the United Republic of Nations.

    As it concerns Zuko, we also didn't Tonraq and Desna/Eska of the Water Tribes at the council after the Coronation episodes. Thus, not having Zuko present isn't really surprising - and as it is, his daughter was brought in since she represented the Fire Nation - whereas Zuko had long since retired and was only an advisor to his grand-daughter.



    More than that, actually..
    They also showed here there in Korra Alone when she was traveling..
    I think so too - and for me, seeing that the entire A:TLA was about the Fire Nation, I'm glad they chose not to repeat focusing solely on it.

    Trying to cram way too much into a series is not always good - nor is expecting too much when you cannot explore other facets and I'm glad they explored the Earth Kingdom more than before and showed its inner workings..
    Indeed....

    Yep - and I'm glad it was not merely a revisit of all the older places that were visited..
    He didn't need to - in the same way that they didn't need the Moon Spirit to be seen or many of the other spirits. People have to understand limits on what was meant to be temporary and not always showing up
     
  6. grandvizier1006

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    Yeah, none of that stuff needed to appear, but I figured since it's the very end of the entire franchise, then why not have everything come back for the finale, eh? Oh well. I'm sure the fandom will keep stuff alive.

    Also, great response to Endure2TheEnd. I was going to give something like that but frankly your response was better.
     
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  8. Gxg (G²)

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    If the focus was on A:TLA, that would be relevant. However, as the writers noted, Korra has her own issues to focus on and unique perspectives that are not trying to live within the A:TLA series background. They still have comics going on, of course, for both A:TLA and A:LOK

    There was enough to focus on in Korra's era that was far grander than anything in Aang's time - and they did bring back a lot of relevant things like the Bayon Groove swamp and Uncle Iroh and Toph alongside others. It seemed more than on point and too much more would have been over-kill - with the point being that the Legend of Korra is NOT the Last Airbender. A lot of people ended up not being able to enjoy the series for what it was due to the fact that they were comparing two entirely different genres without seeing them as distinct and the latter far more mature.

    Of course, not everyone was satisfied with the Season Finale:

    1. 'The Legend of Korra' Series Finale Is Revolutionary, But At A Cost ? Pop Insomniacs Pop Insomniacs

    But you can't please everyone. I say "Bravo!:clap:" and wonder what the future holds.

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    My main grip is with Nickelodeon and the ways they seemed to try hindering the show at every possible turn during the 3rd and 4th seasons - as it had so much to offer with opening the door for Western Animation on a large scale. Sad Nick just couldn't see what they had...

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    And other animes could learn a lot from what Korra has done...^_^

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    That said, , LOK will always be one of the most challenging shows ever...

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    And on a side note, I will always think the Wan story is among the greatest...

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    But how they ended the show was classic :) A worthy successor to the era of Aang



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    I'm really curious about what Dimartino and Konietzko will be up to next. Unfortunately, I couldn't confirm a twitter account for either of them.
     
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    Oh, that's simple. They're going to sit nice and quiet for some years until I finish writing a sci-fi/fantasy series, and then they're going to help me make it into a cartoon equivalent to the Avatar series!^_^

    Narcissistic and impractical, yes. Impossible? No! ;)

    Also, great art, G2! Who made it?
     
  11. Gxg (G²)

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    That's odd....
     
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    *reads blog* huh, this guy had a lot of good points. I had a feeling that there was just something a bit underwhelming about the finale, like it was a bit rushed--not in terms of production but in terms of plot. Like there was something to be desired, with the side characters all being sort of, well, sidelined. Mako and Bolin barely got a word in with Korra. And I guess we can add Naga to the "missing characters report" :p. But since when was Korra a "POC"? There really isn't such a thing as a "person of color" in their world. :D

    And I actually kind of liked the part where Korra said that she "had to suffer to become more compassionate". Maybe it's not necessarily true since she probably had moments of compassion before, but it sort of paralleled my own personal issues. And the fact that I was ending this difficult time in my life just as the show was ending was pretty neat. :)
     
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    They have gay couples on Nickelodeon now?

    Wow, times have changed.

    I remember back when Daria's friend being a lesbian (or at least curious) was too hot for MTV.

    Now they need a loveable s/m couple on Nickelodeon, lol.
     
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    Daria. Was. Way. Beyond. Its. Time.

    I loved that show!

    I miss the 90s and early 00s.

    Actually, Daria touched on almost the entire spectrum of teenaged/young adult issues.

    "LA LA LAAA LAAA LAAA..."
     
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    So that was what that show I had heard people mention in passing a lot was. And MTV? So even by the 90s they had abandoned music videos :D
     
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    I was more than satisfied with the fight scenes in the last two episodes, especially watching it again.

    To go to the OP, I am glad Korra didn't do anything I wanted. It is interesting; mercy and love seems to burn hotter than vengeance for bad guys/evil. Korra gave Kurvira mercy; that love and friendship she could have had (had she not been a murderous dictator) upset Kurvira more than if Korra had just decimated her. It reminds me of what Hell - from a perspective of a living and loving God would be like. Maybe it isn't literal hellfire, but the pain and burning comes from the full knowledge if what you missed out on had you chosen righteousness. Kurvira will spend a lot of time wondering "why... why did Korra spare me?" That hurts more than literal hellfire, I would think. Especially, if you get to see people having relationships with which you could have shared.

    Maybe the real Hell is seeing the Light of true love and fellowship - from afar (like The Rich Man in Christ's parable.)

    After having time to watch the final again, it delivered famously.

    Even better; it allowed Korra to connect with a future of happiness, love and friendship.

    Doesn't matter; Korra and team Avatar made their own future.

    Rethinking the finale, it was actually done very well. I was judging it based on ADULT amines I have seen, forgetting this is a Nickelodeon show. It was great in general!

    And, did anyone else know David Faustino (Bud Bundy from "Married With Children) was the voice of Mako? :D
     
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    Video killed the radio star, and reality TV killed the video star...
     
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    Yeah, the show still holds up rather well. Intelligent writing, and legitimately funny.

    Also can't forget about Beavis and Butthead, and I loved Celebrity Death Match as a kid.

    MTV used to be pretty decent.

    Now they can't even air Beavis and Butthead because the channel is plagued with tween girls, lol. (really, that was one of the reasons the revival was canned)
     
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