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"Legend of Korra", Eastern Views, T.V & Ethics: What Can Christians learn from Anime?

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by Gxg (G²), Oct 8, 2013.

  1. awitch

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    If I were a judge I probably would not vote for Korra because if the compilation episode. That wasn't really the production crew's fault, though. If Korra doesn't win I hope Gravity Falls does
     
  2. Gxg (G²)

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    Would it not make sense to give Korra grace for what she has represented thus far?
     
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    Without question, Korra excels in story, animation, direction, music, and acting. I didn't care for the first season's romantic drama with Korra, Mako, and Asami, but I'm glad dropped that arc. It took 5-6 episodes for me to really invest emotionally in the show and I think that's just because I had recently finished watching AtLAB.

    I liked Frozen, even if it's marketed to death. It's not going away either with the release of "Frozen Fever" this coming March.
     
  4. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    I can definitely agree that ATLOK takes time to grow on you after only experiencing ATLAB - as I appreciated the overall narrative of what the story represented when seeing how it always meant something different with what Korra went through in comparison to Aang. I did think her and Mako were a good couple - but the romance did seem distracting. Nonetheless, it was a wise move to get rid of the love triangle ....and with the multiple enemies Korra has faced, it is interested to see how much happened for her in less than 6 yrs. I do hope the ending for the series goes well so that others realize how much Korra is worth the rewards....

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  5. awitch

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    I tweeted the AnnieAwards and they confirmed the ceremony will be streamed but no details on when/where yet.
     
  6. Gxg (G²)

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    Cool to know.

    That said, the most recent episode was ridiculous - in a good way :) From the Beifong Family doing some serious damage to Toph reconciling with her daughters...to Kurvira getting called out with the "You give Metal Benders a BAD NAME!" comment from the creator of the craft (Toph) and then seeing Korra having to negotiate with the spirits who feel they are always being used..

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  7. CryOfALion

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    Loved this last episode.

    Bolin was the embodiment of "fanboydom," and asked all the questions "we" wanted to know with Toph, especially her relations with her daughters.

    Toph is kind of epic. Now she has "sensory bending?" She can sense the tiny fluctuations in the blood ions when someone is lying (beyond form of metal bending... magneto level?)

    I like how they didn't overuse Toph and her enormous power. Thank you, writers for letting Toph bow out without being a cliche. (Toph could easily destroy Kurvira; that is the Avarar's job, though, in this story arc.)

    As I said before, I would take Prince What'shisface (Prince Wu) as a leader despite his ridiculousness if he can actually make decent decisions. It looks like he is getting there.... his suggestion was basic crisis protocol. I can work with a "leader" who knows the basics - we do have the Avatar after all. I can even overlook that he is just doing this to get with a girl.

    I like Varick, and I knew his "assistant"/brains wasn't for Kurvira.

    Toph is kind of epic. Did I say that?

    Bolin ♡ Opal. It's going to happen. And 15 years later she will be on "The Real Airbinders of Zaofu." (just kidding...)

    Nice episode. There was less action, but a lot of development. They must have something huge for the series finale episodes.
     
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    I thought Suyin's "acquisition" of armor was such a cool move at the battle on the gun.

    I was surprised by the spirits declining to engage Kuvira; I figured it would be the spirits that turn the tide.

    No surprise about Zhu Li, though. She's awesome.
     
  9. CryOfALion

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    That was cool. I still think Suyin and/or Lin can take Kurvira, I just think circumstances happened. Toph would wipe the floor with Kurvira - just make sure she gets her Advil, or a Senzu bean.

    Me too. Maybe they are pushing her to be something bigger. She has Raava in her, and most spirits bow to her anyway. I don't think the spirits are being mean.

    I am not sure if she can bend. If she cant, she is incredibly awesome. If she can, she is still awesome. Varick needs to give her a promotion and raise.
     
  10. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    So true :) I was glad that questions were asked the way they did - but they way that they portrayed Toph was truly epic. DenofGeek said it best when stating "nowhere in the narrative is Toph questioned or shamed for having children out of wedlock. She has been canonically confirmed as a woman who had a sex life that was on her terms."

    While I don't support Toph in the way that she did not seem to care that her kids had no fathers in their lives, I do wonder if she perhaps kept them out of her life due to how her own father was with her. Some of this was referenced earlier when it came to the comic series they did on the Last Airbender called "The Rift"" - as mentioned earlier.


    Actually, what Toph did was not really something new if keeping up with the ATLA series. It's called Seismic sense and it is something she used often with the older Avatar gang.

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    ....but sensing reactions. can be suppressed by individuals with great control over their emotions, such as Azula, rendering even the most skilled seismic sense practitioner unable to tell if a statement is a lie.





    I'm guessing you really didn't keep up with the older series fully
    Indeed. It made sense for Toph to pass on the baton to the next generation - plus the fact that she really is old and (though still dangerous) trying to take it easier.
    Wu represents a fundamental problem in the Avatar universe in that he really is not concerned for the people and he was hand-picked by a president not of the Earth Kingdom, with Raiko wanting to send advisors to Wu to advise him in political affairs even though that would mean that Wu is really a puppet ruller. People need the freedom to choose their own path and not have leaders over them that simply have failed to grow up....and putting Wu on the throne would just be another case of bad leadership.

    He has grown a conscious..


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    It should be interesting...
     
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  11. Gxg (G²)

    Gxg (G²) Pilgrim/Monastic on the Road to God (Psalm 84:1-7) Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    Speaking on the gun, have you found it interesting to see the ways that Kurvira had her gun made in the same way that Hitler did with his weapon called the Gustav? - a super cannon developed with immense capabilities.

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    This is on top of her "purging" states of anyone that is not of Earth nation descent...

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    And even her soldiers dress like Nazis and Hitler's Youth...
     
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  12. CryOfALion

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    I watched the movie which piqued my interest, then watched parts of TLAB. I watched enough of TLAB to understand why people think TLOK is garbage, but no I have not been the best fan boy of the show. I missed season 1 of Korra, came in on the end of UnaVaatu/Super Blue Korra. The first villain in Korra seemed bad***. Maybe if I knew before Korra got energy bended by him I wouldn't dislike her so much.

    As far as the "sensory" bending, I knew earthbenders could resonate electromagnetism innate in earth, and reconnoiter information, since "earth" conducts that. But, detecting theta wave perturbations from the brain, or minute ionic fluctuations that determine truth? That is quite hardcore.

    I know how that would work scientifically, so maybe I am over thinking this one too. To me, Toph is almost psionic. Maybe, like Astral intellect with airbenders, and healing with waterbenders, latent psionic ability is earthbenders "Uber special trick."
     
  13. Gxg (G²)

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    That being the case, you really wouldn't have the best background with understanding the symbolism of the show if you've not seen the first season of Korra or the entire season of Book 2 which took things further - it'd be like coming into watching Star Wars on "Return of the Jedi" and eagerly making critiques of the entire saga when you've not even seen the previous two and only saw some episodes of "Star Wars: The Clone Wars".....

    Not watching the first season, it'd be difficult to actually appreciate or understand Korra's progression - or the significance of Amon (Book One's enemy) and how intensive he was.

    It really is no different than having a lie detector. Others in the Avatar world already demonstrated the ability even outside of toph, such as Aiwei (from Book 3) - a Truth Seer for Suyin. One simply uses seismic sense to detect lies based on minute changes in the breathing patterns and heart rates of individuals with whom one interacted.

    There was never anything such as ionic flucuations or theta wave perturbations present at all - and yes, you are over thinking it dude :) It'd behoove you to just go back, watch all of the ATLA series in full - and then build from there. The same goes for ALOK - then you can you really grasp where the writers are coming from and be on track:)
     
  14. Gxg (G²)

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    Technically, it's not the first time such an event has occurred like that - as it happened in ATLA when the gang from that era went to the Spirit world to find help and they got shot down..

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    If Spirits gets involved, it'll have to be for something bigger than what Korra is advocating....but it is a complicated scenario with what occurred with the spirits. As another noted best (for brief reference):

    Korra doesn’t want to the be “hero of the world”, she wants to do her job and protect the world. There are huge differences between the two. To say that she ‘wants to be a hero’ suggests that this all self-serving to her, which completely erases every selfless act she has taken—including the act of allowing herself to be tortured to nearly to death to save the air nation. Korra may enjoy being recognized and praised, but her motivation is to help people. We saw that in the beginning when she helped Mako rescue Bolin from Amon.

    Right now, she is facing off with a dictator that she knows is ready to do great harm, and is furthermore destroying everything she has worked for/ Korra opened the portals to the spirit world peacefully (whereas unalaq did it by corrupting them and using them against their will like zombies) and invited them to share their world. Peace between humans and spirits resulted until Kuvira exploited the wilds and drove the spirits away.

    I think it also needs saying that Korra saved the spirit world in season two from becoming corrupted. She didn’t only save her own—she also saved the spirits from 10,000 years of war and slavery under Vaatu. We’ve seen the effects that Vaatu has had on spirits twice: they are angry, warlike, and have no free will—Vaatu and Unavaatu literally worked their will through the corrupted spirits. Korra saved the spirit world from slavery when she defeated Vaatu. And when that was done, the spirits had no problem moving into the human world and sharing it.

    Corrupting the spirits and turning them into negative versions of themselves against their will is using them. Stealing their energy and exploiting it for war is using them. Going to them and asking them to fight alongside her in order to protect a world that they had both shared, after she fought tooth and nail for both worlds, is not. Korra wants to fight alongside them as equals for land they both shared, not bend them to her will and use them like toys.

    Nor does Kuvira care about being a hero—she cares about conquering and ruling. If she wanted to be a hero, she’d have to care about what people under her rule thought of her. Tossing dissenters in prison camps, tearing apart families by imprisoning waterbenders and firebenders, and using the common people as slave labor doesn’t translate as “hero” to anyone. Furthermore, she’s aware of it. She is so much a tyrant that she doesn’t even deny it when called it to her face by Suyin. What Kuvira wants is the be great. Even if she cared about the Earth Kingdom citizens and what they think of her once, she no longer does. .....While I agree the Spirits do not have a moral high ground they do have neutrality and thus the only things looking at this situation with a good viewpoint. The Spirit was right, Korra and Kuvira want the same thing: power on their side to defeat their enemies. Korra assumes her side is correct and thus asks for supernatural assistance, Kuvira assumes the same and forces the assistance. The methods are different but the idea is the same: they both think they’re on the right side of history. And it’s an important lesson to learn, even if Korra is the hero, it’s very important to take into account that your side is not necessarily correct because it’s the side you agree with.

    Kuvira, like all great villains and dictators, thinks she’s doing good for her people, or at least it started that way. And Korra’s comment about the Spirits helping her because she’s the Avatar was proof that she needed to be told no, it revealed a belief in a double standard “I’m the Avatar so you should…” That argument is theoretical a little flawed no matter what, but it works on humans because the human world is her charge and she herself is human. To ask help of Spirits and assume it will given on the basis of being the Avatar is arrogant and, very much something Kuvira would do. I don’t think we should dismantle the similarities between Kuvira and Korra because it makes it interesting, she’s fighting herself in her mind and now she’s facing down herself in life. Korra cannot beat Kuvira with more power and she cannot force neutral parties that are innocent with no stake to fight on her side because of a title. ​


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  15. awitch

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    True, but now the spirits have more of stake in the conflict being integrated in the human world, the tree being attacked by Kuvira, and their energy harnessed as a weapon.
     
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    Spirits have always been a bit indifferent to the affairs of humans - even when they WERE a part of the human world, just as it was in the time of Wan when spirits invaded the human world and always fought against humans.

    The tree being attacked by Kuvira is a big deal and the same goes with harnessing their energy to make a weapon - but spirits often seem indifferent to it all.
     
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    Would be good to have spirits now - or the Spirit vines. For things just got real in the latest episode:

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    A pretty excellent review on the latest episode that I greatly appreciated....


    Someone noted it best when saying "Legend of Evangelion" - regarding the anime roots LOK was paying homage to...

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    Episode 11:

    Loved seeing Iroh again and Zhu Li, but disappointed Varrick treat her better after their reunion. Also glad to see Wu stepping up to the plate more.

    I didn't think Kuvira's betrayal of Baatar was all that surprising. I predict he will join team Avatar and do something to give Korra the opportunity to stop Kuvira.

    And I wasn't really a fan of the mech. The Republic forces have an army of metal benders and the Beifong metal bender masters. Wouldn't they just tear it apart?

    On another note, I just watched the 10 episodes of Over the Garden Wall, and I think it's going to be a tough competition for the Annie for best animated production. Korra, OtGW, and Gravity Falls are all excellent.
     
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    I was disappointed with this episode. Every minor character won me over, and the villains. I even like Henchmen #18 & #19 when they were in their feels when Su was speaking to her son.

    Seriously, Korra this is not a game. Kurvira is destroying mountains with spirit energy, destroying humans, and you go into the Avatar State to threaten someone you want to glean from - not the person nuking your cities? And, she didn't even do anything.

    Look, I am all for peace and thinking things through, but it doesn't take hundreds of past Avatar lives to let me know if that is happening I need to go Avatar State and own.

    Someone even explained how top heavy the mech was, and how ridiculous it was that the kickback from spirit weapon didn't budge it. And, how it would only take a good Airbender and earthbender to trip the thing, and possibly kill everyone in there via 80m drop. Also, why didn't Bolin lava bend the thing?

    Even Christ had a time for meekness, and a time to literally whoop butt. Gxg you mentioned the "Reichness" of Kurvira's assaults. That is fine; what isn't is when you have a god-like being whose job is specifically to maintain peace, balance and harmony. How many nukes and blitzkriegs/spirit bombs would be prevented if Hitler/Kurvira was dealt with swiftly?

    This is what I can't stand - the fantastic romanticism of the human spirit. Humans aren't fantastic, and the Avatar isn't exactly human in the impotent sense. I almost don't want to watch the rest: all this time and people lost and wasted because of romanticized diplomacy.
     
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