Legalist "Christians" vs The Spirit

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

We know that many are called and few are chosen. Ultimately, I want everyone possible to be saved, but amongst Christians there are many who are not really chosen and who do not have the Spirit.

One term we often used for false Christians is "legalist". It fits well, because a major difference between Spirit filled and guided Christians and those who mistakenly think they are saved is always going to be that the false Christians have to focus on anything but the teachings of Christ.

So, to do this, they end up creating a lot of rules as a replacement.

For the Spirit filled Christian we know we are saved because the Spirit brings to mind the teachings of Christ.

For the flesh Christian - many even who may call themselves "Spirit" filled - they do not have these reminders and guide.

It may seem strange, but Jesus himself told us of how this works. There need be no reminder of this, because anyone reading this has the Spirit to remind them and have them understand.

As simple as the truth is, it is Heavenly, and so beyond the capacity for human beings without the Spirit to understand.

This is why they can not comprehend and practice everyday the precepts Jesus teaches us.

Instead, they do not teach these teachings, unless it is in some perverted form. They come up with their own teachings. These teachings tend to follow the pattern of the teachers of the law who were popular during the time of Jesus.

And the condemnations Jesus teach stand on them. As we have all observed.

Sadly, this is the wide and popular road. The many.

Though, we can see, by how they believe, many today who are genuinely saved. It could be they have been gathered together from the four ends of earth and Heaven by angels to be in effectively a relatively singular spot. (Even if that "spot" stretches across national and oceanic boundaries.)

We all know how many cults are out there, and you might observe all of them do not teach the teachings of Jesus. And all of them have very many manmade rules -- often diabolically set up. Not because of "Satan" per se, but because of the cleverness of humans.

(For instance, I have seen highly legalistic groups that claim to have no manmade rules, who actually have very many. And I have seen pentecostal groups which claim to be opposed to legalists, who themselves are actually entirely legalist. They simply are blind and deaf. We should wonder at this, if they were not such a terrible influence.)

At this site, I do not disagree with the "no goading" rule, and while I am often shocked at how anti-christian many posts can be, I have just taken to simply ignore everyone who shows themselves this way.

This is a good policy, I suggest for other Christians who see how these anti-Christians pretend to be brothers and sisters, yet operate like the teachers of the law: they are unmerciful and unforgiving, they are full of hate yet guise themselves with frequent usage of the name and claims to "good" deeds that are just empty religious gestures. They do not turn the other cheek, nor do they go the extra mile.

Every arbitrary rule they come up with, they may claim they do not judge people as damned if they do not follow them... but, in practice, this is exactly how they operate.

We are far from such arbitrary rules for exactly these reasons. We do not judge others cruelly, based on merciless standards invented by mere men who have no true hope.

"Ignoring" such people is what will be happening soon, as they find themselves shut out of the Kingdom.

Maybe there will be someway for them to come back, after repenting of their time doing evil in the Name of the Lord. Not something they would give us if we were in their place, of course.

 

[friend of]

Well, in the end, it comes down to whether or not you believe God desires to have more in heaven than in hell, I guess.

 

[friend of]

2 peter 1:5-11

 

[Soyeong]

We know that many are called and few are chosen. Ultimately, I want everyone possible to be saved, but amongst Christians there are many who are not really chosen and who do not have the Spirit.

One term we often used for false Christians is "legalist". It fits well, because a major difference between Spirit filled and guided Christians and those who mistakenly think they are saved is always going to be that the false Christians have to focus on anything but the teachings of Christ.

So, to do this, they end up creating a lot of rules as a replacement.

For the Spirit filled Christian we know we are saved because the Spirit brings to mind the teachings of Christ.

For the flesh Christian - many even who may call themselves "Spirit" filled - they do not have these reminders and guide.

It may seem strange, but Jesus himself told us of how this works. There need be no reminder of this, because anyone reading this has the Spirit to remind them and have them understand.

As simple as the truth is, it is Heavenly, and so beyond the capacity for human beings without the Spirit to understand.

This is why they can not comprehend and practice everyday the precepts Jesus teaches us.

Instead, they do not teach these teachings, unless it is in some perverted form. They come up with their own teachings. These teachings tend to follow the pattern of the teachers of the law who were popular during the time of Jesus.

And the condemnations Jesus teach stand on them. As we have all observed.

Sadly, this is the wide and popular road. The many.

Though, we can see, by how they believe, many today who are genuinely saved. It could be they have been gathered together from the four ends of earth and Heaven by angels to be in effectively a relatively singular spot. (Even if that "spot" stretches across national and oceanic boundaries.)

We all know how many cults are out there, and you might observe all of them do not teach the teachings of Jesus. And all of them have very many manmade rules -- often diabolically set up. Not because of "Satan" per se, but because of the cleverness of humans.

(For instance, I have seen highly legalistic groups that claim to have no manmade rules, who actually have very many. And I have seen pentecostal groups which claim to be opposed to legalists, who themselves are actually entirely legalist. They simply are blind and deaf. We should wonder at this, if they were not such a terrible influence.)

At this site, I do not disagree with the "no goading" rule, and while I am often shocked at how anti-christian many posts can be, I have just taken to simply ignore everyone who shows themselves this way.

This is a good policy, I suggest for other Christians who see how these anti-Christians pretend to be brothers and sisters, yet operate like the teachers of the law: they are unmerciful and unforgiving, they are full of hate yet guise themselves with frequent usage of the name and claims to "good" deeds that are just empty religious gestures. They do not turn the other cheek, nor do they go the extra mile.

Every arbitrary rule they come up with, they may claim they do not judge people as damned if they do not follow them... but, in practice, this is exactly how they operate.

We are far from such arbitrary rules for exactly these reasons. We do not judge others cruelly, based on merciless standards invented by mere men who have no true hope.

"Ignoring" such people is what will be happening soon, as they find themselves shut out of the Kingdom.

Maybe there will be someway for them to come back, after repenting of their time doing evil in the Name of the Lord. Not something they would give us if we were in their place, of course.

Hello,

Am I correct that you are only referring to legalists as those who are teaching man-made laws and not those who are teaching obedience to God's Law? For example, you wouldn't consider Jesus to be a legalist even though he lived in perfect obedience to God's Law? Or you wouldn't consider someone a legalist who thinks that the 1,050 commands in the NT should be obeyed? Do you agree that according to 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness are not children of God and that in order to practice righteousness we need to follow God's instructions for how to do that?

The problem is that many of God's instructions have room for interpretation, and the way that someone interprets them and teaches how to obey them becomes a tradition or the official way to obey them, so there is there is no way to separate God's commands from man-made rules or traditions that are taught for how to correctly obey them. These man-made traditions can be good, benign, or bad, and I think that Jesus followed some, but where he had a problem with them was where they were given more authority than what what God commanded or where they actually set aside what God commanded.

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

Well, in the end, it comes down to whether or not you believe God desires to have more in heaven than in hell, I guess.

I have to say that ultimately, the goal is to 'have the whole earth filled with the knowledge of God'. However, there is no mistaking that legalists are opposed to mercy and grace, though they may claim otherwise.

Say, for instance, they have a rule "for their church" for women to not cut their hair, or a popular one, that there must be no consumption of alcoholic beverages. That might sound good *on paper* - forgetting the paper kills, but the Spirit gives life - but, ultimately, it ends up where they view any woman with short hair as damned, and any person they see in a bar, as damned. Not matters they like to trumpet, but quite the reality.

They are *judgmental*. Which is the opposite of the message.

And they are *narrow minded*. Which would shock many as being specifically something condemned in the Bible.

I do not mind appearing narrow minded towards the narrow minded, and judgmental to the judgmental. I have never been a fan of bigots. But, in reality, that would simply be projection of their own self onto me, or you, or anyone who is accepting, liberal in heart, merciful in judgment of others. The reality is that this is where God has placed them, and yes, they can be saved. Ultimately, I believe that they are the very best targets for being saved when Jesus is revealed from Heaven with his angels.

Because they, unlike those who have never even heard the message, are most prepared to realize their situation in the worst way: that they have all along been saying "Lord, Lord" and believing they have done so much for the Lord Jesus Christ... and all along they have been doing it wrong.

It is what you call extremely strong *fulcrum*, or *leverage*.

But, until then, they remain the strongest enemies of Christ and the Kingdom, of course.

They may claim they are for many to be saved, though they just want to gain converts to their own, specific church.

Those of the Spirit have no such concern - the body is the temple, the body is the church - we want people to know the glory of Christ by understanding the message. Which only comes about by the grace of the Spirit.

But, yes, the legalist, does not view the earth as being saved after all of this. They do not have the very unique and powerful understanding of God's great grace and mercy, as Jonah did. They have not been shown the many caveats which can get people "out of hell". And they have never even considered that the condemnation you see in the parable of the goats and the sheep, or the ten virgins may not be forever.

If you are already aware of these matters, then I certainly praise the work God has done in you.

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

Hello,

Am I correct that you are only referring to legalists as those who are teaching man-made laws and not those who are teaching obedience to God's Law? For example, you wouldn't consider Jesus to be a legalist even though he lived in perfect obedience to God's Law? Or you wouldn't consider someone a legalist who thinks that the 1,050 commands in the NT should be obeyed? Do you agree that according to 1 John 3:10, those who do not practice righteousness are not children of God and that in order to practice righteousness we need to follow God's instructions for how to do that?

The problem is that many of God's instructions have room for interpretation, and the way that someone interprets them and teaches how to obey them becomes a tradition or the official way to obey them, so there is there is no way to separate God's commands from man-made rules or traditions that are taught for how to correctly obey them. These man-made traditions can be good, benign, or bad, and I think that Jesus followed some, but where he had a problem with them was where they were given more authority than what what God commanded or where they actually set aside what God commanded.

I am really talking about the more gross examples we see so much of today. But, yes, you are absolutely correct, not just can the OT rules and regulations be abused, but also the many admonishments in the NT.

Always, 'mercy over judgment'. And, admittedly, these days are very challenging, and we are seeing people get tricked. But, we know they are getting tricked because their love has grown cold.

The paper can kill because it is static and we should have the Spirit guide us, bringing to mind Scripture as required. We can always query the Spirit within ourselves on anything, and the Spirit will repeat anything we were told.

Life is highly dynamic. Every situation is different. So, it is only by the Spirit of Love can we find fulfillment in the requirements of God.

One of the trickier situations is where we know we should adhere to what others require us to adhere to, so we will be believable to them. If we do not, we might "ruin their faith". So, we must talk and present ourselves to the "language" of the other person, if we can. But, again, love must be our guide and train and teach us in all things.

 

[HARK!]

they are unmerciful and unforgiving, they are full of hate yet guise themselves with frequent usage of the name and claims to "good" deeds that are just empty religious gestures. They do not turn the other cheek, nor do they go the extra mile.

They are *judgmental*.

Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote in your brother's eye.

 

[ladodgers6]

We know that many are called and few are chosen. Ultimately, I want everyone possible to be saved, but amongst Christians there are many who are not really chosen and who do not have the Spirit.

One term we often used for false Christians is "legalist". It fits well, because a major difference between Spirit filled and guided Christians and those who mistakenly think they are saved is always going to be that the false Christians have to focus on anything but the teachings of Christ.

So, to do this, they end up creating a lot of rules as a replacement.

For the Spirit filled Christian we know we are saved because the Spirit brings to mind the teachings of Christ.

For the flesh Christian - many even who may call themselves "Spirit" filled - they do not have these reminders and guide.

It may seem strange, but Jesus himself told us of how this works. There need be no reminder of this, because anyone reading this has the Spirit to remind them and have them understand.

As simple as the truth is, it is Heavenly, and so beyond the capacity for human beings without the Spirit to understand.

This is why they can not comprehend and practice everyday the precepts Jesus teaches us.

Instead, they do not teach these teachings, unless it is in some perverted form. They come up with their own teachings. These teachings tend to follow the pattern of the teachers of the law who were popular during the time of Jesus.

And the condemnations Jesus teach stand on them. As we have all observed.

Sadly, this is the wide and popular road. The many.

Though, we can see, by how they believe, many today who are genuinely saved. It could be they have been gathered together from the four ends of earth and Heaven by angels to be in effectively a relatively singular spot. (Even if that "spot" stretches across national and oceanic boundaries.)

We all know how many cults are out there, and you might observe all of them do not teach the teachings of Jesus. And all of them have very many manmade rules -- often diabolically set up. Not because of "Satan" per se, but because of the cleverness of humans.

(For instance, I have seen highly legalistic groups that claim to have no manmade rules, who actually have very many. And I have seen pentecostal groups which claim to be opposed to legalists, who themselves are actually entirely legalist. They simply are blind and deaf. We should wonder at this, if they were not such a terrible influence.)

At this site, I do not disagree with the "no goading" rule, and while I am often shocked at how anti-christian many posts can be, I have just taken to simply ignore everyone who shows themselves this way.

This is a good policy, I suggest for other Christians who see how these anti-Christians pretend to be brothers and sisters, yet operate like the teachers of the law: they are unmerciful and unforgiving, they are full of hate yet guise themselves with frequent usage of the name and claims to "good" deeds that are just empty religious gestures. They do not turn the other cheek, nor do they go the extra mile.

Every arbitrary rule they come up with, they may claim they do not judge people as damned if they do not follow them... but, in practice, this is exactly how they operate.

We are far from such arbitrary rules for exactly these reasons. We do not judge others cruelly, based on merciless standards invented by mere men who have no true hope.

"Ignoring" such people is what will be happening soon, as they find themselves shut out of the Kingdom.

Maybe there will be someway for them to come back, after repenting of their time doing evil in the Name of the Lord. Not something they would give us if we were in their place, of course.

John Bunyan once said the two biggest pitfalls all Christians face is: Legalism on one side and Antinomianism on the other side. The key to understanding Scripture is understanding how to distinguish between Law & Gospel, not Gospel and Law, in relation to Justification by Faith Alone, but not a Faith that is Alone!

1) No flesh will be justified through the Law!

Justified by Faith
Galatians 2​

15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

So as convicted Law breakers in the first Adam, we need the Last Adam, the Law fulfiller to restore us to Perfect Righteousness.

2) As New creations in the Last Adam, we are God's craftsmanship, created in advance to do good works. How can we who died to sin, still live in it? We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and made ALIVE! We are no longer DEAD in sin! But freed from sin and death by the power of God which is proclaim through the Gospel of Paul.

Romans 3:27Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Dead to Sin, Alive to God​

Finally, as Paul says in Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

We are regenerated, made ALIVE, and walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE! Bearing fruit! Galatians 6:9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.[Persevere] 10So then, as we have opportunity[Practice], let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

But always remembering and trusting in the object that saved us, and not confusing/distorting it/blurring the lines/or boasting in our efforts. Because none of our evangelical obedience's can save us. Only the Incarnation, Life, Obedience, Death, Resurrection of Christ can save!

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote in your brother's eye.

John Bunyan once said the two biggest pitfalls all Christians face is: Legalism on one side and Antinomianism on the other side. The key to understanding Scripture is understanding how to distinguish between Law & Gospel, not Gospel and Law, in relation to Justification by Faith Alone, but not a Faith that is Alone!

1) No flesh will be justified through the Law!

Justified by Faith
Galatians 2​

15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

So as convicted Law breakers in the first Adam, we need the Last Adam, the Law fulfiller to restore us to Perfect Righteousness.

2) As New creations in the Last Adam, we are God's craftsmanship, created in advance to do good works. How can we who died to sin, still live in it? We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and made ALIVE! We are no longer DEAD in sin! But freed from sin and death by the power of God which is proclaim through the Gospel of Paul.

Romans 3:27Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Dead to Sin, Alive to God​

Finally, as Paul says in Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

We are regenerated, made ALIVE, and walk in NEWNESS OF LIFE! Bearing fruit! Galatians 6:9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.[Persevere] 10So then, as we have opportunity[Practice], let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

But always remembering and trusting in the object that saved us, and not confusing/distorting it/blurring the lines/or boasting in our efforts. Because none of our evangelical obedience's can save us. Only the Incarnation, Life, Obedience, Death, Resurrection of Christ can save!

I view it as "legalism" or The Spirit.

Death or life.

I view Jesus as teaching it that way, and it seems obvious to me from experience: the Spirit is love and leads us into all the teachings of Jesus, which are the teachings of love. You turn the other cheek when you love someone. You go the extra mile when you love someone. And so on.

This is greater love then what people naturally know, because it goes beyond mere kin and kind.


There may be many who have knowledge of God and Jesus and have no love, but being "dead" faith, and without love, there is no comfort, no assurance.

So, when the chips are down, they turn to rituals to make themselves feel better.

As they are of the world, they are usually not feeling the chips are down.

Those rituals and the world are their "legalism", their trust in mere material items and powerless rituals.

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote in your brother's eye.

What I said Jesus and the Apostles said. I was simply paraphrasing. This is basic knowledge for anyone alive by the Spirit, because we see it all the time, and it is so contrary to our nature.

By your own standard, you accuse me of being guilty of something merely because I made an accusation. Therefore, you are guilty of your accusation against me.

You can make your own self blind, then you can see.

Here is a lesson for you, mark my words:

Legalism is 'death by the letter'. If you look at the Bible without the Spirit, you look without love, and can not see. The Spirit is God, mortal human flesh can not understand that which is of God. Yet, why does flesh think it can?

Flesh is of the world and earth, God is of Heaven.

Having no praise from God should be a clue. Mistaking the praise of false Christians as the praise of God is falling into the trap of 'being popular, like the false prophets'.

Who are false Christians? The flesh is unable to see, as the flesh has no truth and believes what it wants to believe based on preferences.


There are very many good and real Christians all through the world today. But, there are also far more who are dead and mere "legalists", living an empty life without the love of God. Their energy and pride is only from the world, which they mistake for God.

I am blessed that someone would defend them and try to silence this manner of message.

However, as you did nothing but accuse without offering evidence, or in any way attempt to reason, I will have to put you on ignore.

If you come through by the grace of God, there are others who can help you. But, not me.

 

[HARK!]

Here is a lesson for you, mark my words:

New International Version
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.

Legalism is 'death by the letter'. If you look at the Bible without the Spirit, you look without love, and can not see. The Spirit is God, mortal human flesh can not understand that which is of God. Yet, why does flesh think it can?

I didn't say anything about rejecting neither the spirit nor love, as you seem to reject the law.

Mark Yahweh's word:


(CLV) Hb 1:9
Thou lovest righteousness (kept THE LAW) and hatest injustice (disregard for THE LAW) ; Therefore Thou art anointed by The God, (tou theou) (YHWH), Thy God, with the oil of exultation beyond Thy partners."

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of The God, (tou theou) (YHWH) is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of The God (tou theou) (YHWH).

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish THE LAW or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from THE LAW till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:4
Everyone who is doing sin, is doing LAWLESSNESS also, and sin is LAWLESSNESS.

(CLV) Mt 24:12
And, because of the multiplication of LAWLESSNESS, the love of many shall be cooling.

(CLV) Mt 24:13
Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:4
He who is saying that I know him, and is not keeping his precepts, is a liar; and the truth of The God, (tou theou) (YHWH) is not in this one.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:8
Yet he who is doing sin is of the Adversary, for from the beginning is the Adversary sinning. For this, was the Son of The God (tou theou) (YHWH manifested, that He should be annulling the acts of the Adversary.

(CLV) Mt 23:28
Thus you, also, outside, indeed, are appearing to men to be just, yet inside you are distended with hypocrisy and LAWLESSNESS.

(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers~ of LAWLESSNESS!'
(CLV) Mt 13:41
The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing LAWLESSNESS,

 

[ladodgers6]

I view it as "legalism" or The Spirit.

Death or life.

I view Jesus as teaching it that way, and it seems obvious to me from experience: the Spirit is love and leads us into all the teachings of Jesus, which are the teachings of love. You turn the other cheek when you love someone. You go the extra mile when you love someone. And so on.

This is greater love then what people naturally know, because it goes beyond mere kin and kind.


There may be many who have knowledge of God and Jesus and have no love, but being "dead" faith, and without love, there is no comfort, no assurance.

So, when the chips are down, they turn to rituals to make themselves feel better.

As they are of the world, they are usually not feeling the chips are down.

Those rituals and the world are their "legalism", their trust in mere material items and powerless rituals.

Question? Do believers have to obey the Law?

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

Question? Do believers have to obey the Law?

That sounds like a question you think you already have an answer for. Do you?

 

[ladodgers6]

I am just curious of your stand in it, that's all. And yes I know what I believe and why I believe it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares... ...

What a day that is or is to be.... Such peace then with no more traps once they are all gone. Sheer Delight in Yahweh !

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

I am just curious of your stand in it, that's all. And yes I know what I believe and why I believe it.

The Spirit often brings to mind the Law to me. I view that as a confirmation and health check.

This usually happens after a thought and feeling which is in accordance to the Law, so bringing to mind the Law with that internal thought acts as a sort of internal praise from Someone Else which is rewarding to me.

Otherwise, Jesus taught the Law in the way to truly adhere to it. That is by the Spirit of Love. So, we know now we must be cautious of how we judge others in our hearts. We must love our enemies. These things can not be done by human means, but only by the Spirit, who is Love.

And 'love fulfills the Law'.

 

[ladodgers6]

The Spirit often brings to mind the Law to me. I view that as a confirmation and health check.

This usually happens after a thought and feeling which is in accordance to the Law, so bringing to mind the Law with that internal thought acts as a sort of internal praise from Someone Else which is rewarding to me.

Otherwise, Jesus taught the Law in the way to truly adhere to it. That is by the Spirit of Love. So, we know now we must be cautious of how we judge others in our hearts. We must love our enemies. These things can not be done by human means, but only by the Spirit, who is Love.

And 'love fulfills the Law'.

So are you saying yes to my question that Believers have to obey God's Law?

 

[DreamerOfTheHeart]

So are you saying yes to my question that Believers have to obey God's Law?

Spiritually, yes, we are bound to. Without the Spirit, people will only warp it.

Love fulfills the Law, but without the Spirit of Love, which is God's Spirit, it is impossible to abide by. The unspiritual can not understand the Law because the Law is spiritual.

So, what happens? They try and fulfill and keep to what they want to keep, and throw out 'justice and mercy'.

Romans 13:8
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="ladodgers6, post: 72083242, member: 381248"]So
[define] are
[define] you
[define] saying
[define] yes to
[define] my question that
[define] Believers
[define] have to
[define] obey
[define] God's
[define] Law?[/QUOTE]

: )

 

[Tolworth John]

Spiritually, yes, we are bound to. Without the Spirit, people will only warp it.

Love fulfills the Law, but without the Spirit of Love, which is God's Spirit, it is impossible to abide by. The unspiritual can not understand the Law because the Law is spiritual.

So, what happens? They try and fulfill and keep to what they want to keep, and throw out 'justice and mercy'.

Romans 13:8
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

I am curious as to whether you are 'legalistic about keeping God's law?

If I may give an example. Do you steal from your employer by arriving late or leaving earlier than you should?
How do you deal with the impure thoughts that arise as pretty girls start wearing their revealing cloths in spring/summer?