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Leftism is the most successful religion of the last century

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by WonbyOneanddone, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. WonbyOneanddone

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    The World's Most Dynamic Religion Is ... - The Dennis Prager Show

    So is Leftism a religion, and is it the most successful religion of the last century?

    This is from a Jewish perspective, that is, a practicing Jew. The reason I make the distinction is it seems that most who practice their faith lean right, but those who don't have a higher likelihood of leaning Left. And, unfortunately, most Jews don't practice their faith to any great extent which means most lean Left.
     
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  2. WonbyOneanddone

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    Any "Woke" Christians out there?
     
  4. public hermit

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    How about politics in general has become the new religion? It's a matter of devotion, hope, faith in the party, and each party has it's own orthodoxy. Politicians are potential saviors. Moreover, some who claim to be religious people seem to be converting to this new religion. Cynical? I don't think so.
     
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  5. WonbyOneanddone

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    Have you ever read Common Sense by Thomas Pain? It was an argument to oppose the crown of England.

    Essentially he used 1 Samuel 8 to show the time in Hebrew history where the people clamored for a king, but God warned them of the evils that would come upon them if they chose a sinful man as their king. But they would not listen and wound up with Saul. Soon after, they lost their entire kingdom as it split, and later devoured by other world powers till they found their way to the National Socialist ovens of Nazi Germany.

    Man was never meant to be a king, only God.

    Having said that, conservatives seem to vote for less government, less power from other men, as where those on the Left can never really get enough centralized power, even when Trump is at the helm. For example, the Left screams Trump is Hitler and then say that he needs to gather up all our guns.

    I think it has to do with the inability to understand human nature. Those who are of faith understand it perfectly, but those not of faith simply do not. They are still awaiting their Messiah and subsequent utopia and they really believe centralize planning is righteous.
     
  6. WonbyOneanddone

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    The US government was formed by a people from a Judeo-Christian perspective who had a history of seeking religious freedom. I think this is why they attempted a limited government without a king, especially from writings from people such as Thomas Pain.

    But the Left uses the General Welfare clause as the basis for increasing the size and scope of government over pretty much everything, and indefinitely. But this is what the Father of the Constitution, James Madison, had to say about the General Welfare clause he helped write.

    James Madison, (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President

    James Madison Quote
    “If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.”

    Why did they favor a limited government? I think it was because they fully understood human nature, but the modern Leftist does not. They simply don't understand that the more power that is centralized, the more harm and danger we are all in. This brings us to another James Madison quote:

    If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself.
     
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    What does the Right get wrong? What does the Left get right?

    According to your account, your position of being on the correct side is flawless. Your position is righteous, and that of your opponent is evil. That makes the whole account questionable. And we see this on both sides of the divide.

    There is no in-house critique. There is no self-reflection, much less the possibility of being wrong. If your side admits failure it is assumed to be tacit approval of the opposition, which cannot happen. Politics today has features of bad religion, I think.
     
  8. WonbyOneanddone

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    I dare say that it matters little which side of the political isle you are on, you see mass corruption going unchecked. Just pick a scandal from either side, yet the answer is always that voting for a party will fix it.

    It is nonsensical.
     
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    Again, I vote for the candidate that offers the least centralized control over our lives, and abortion also plays a role in this. Just like in Nazi Germany, their swell socialist policies don't cause me to turn a blind eye to mass genocide like it seems to for a great many others. Unfortunately, the democrat party has abandoned voters like me.

    A good book to understand what happened in Nazi Germany is called, Hitler's beneficiaries". It was written by a historian who had no political affiliations, but he made the connection between centralized power and the corruption it brings.
    The German people actually had a higher standard of living than those in the US. Hitler saw to this because he feared uprisings due to poor living standards like they had during WW 1. Shrug, it worked. He bought off a war weary populace steeped in genocide.

    Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State|Paperback
     
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    To be clear, I favor what is called the Article V movement. It is a movement for the states to rise up and amend the Constitution. It has never been done before, but was placed there in case the Federal system became too corrupt and powerful. At no other time in history do we need this than now.

    Two things I favor are term limits for those in Congress and some sort of balanced budget amendment for Congress. After all, Congress will NEVER limit their own power, now will they?

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    Currently, about 80% of Americans favor both. It now is merely a way of getting this to come about.
     
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  11. Aussie Pete

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    Hmmm, I thought that Islam was the most successful religion. Not a lot of leftists there.
     
  12. pescador

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    That is the most bizarre line of reasoning I have ever read. A piece of metal glows red; robins have red breasts; so robins' chests are made of molten metal!

    Have you any more false information about Jews to share with us?
     
  13. jacks

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    Would these ideals be more in line with the Libertarian Party, than with Democrats or Republicans?
     
  14. Sabertooth

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    [​IMG] (Maybe for the LIVING people... [​IMG])
     
  15. WonbyOneanddone

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    I suppose so.

    God set up the Hebrew nation with a loose confederation of judges to keep the peace.

    Then the people demanded Saul.

    You should read it for yourself.
     
  16. WonbyOneanddone

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    The man who wrote the piece was a Jew.

    Did you have a comment or question?
     
  17. jacks

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    I have read it, it is a great lesson. I was just wondering if Libertarianism more closely matched the political ideals you are talking about. Didn't mean to cause any offense.
     
  18. WonbyOneanddone

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    No worries.

    I'm not actually not trying to push libertinism here.
     
  19. jacks

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    No I didn't think you were, but there are some similarities. From the link I provided it says this about Power.
    "A fundamental characteristic of libertarian thinking is a deep skepticism of government power. Libertarianism and liberalism both arose in the West, where the division of power between spiritual and temporal rulers had been greater than in most other parts of the world. In the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), I Samuel 8: 17–18, the Jews asked for a king, and God warned them that such a king would “take the tenth of your flocks, and you shall be his slaves. And in that day you will cry out because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves; but the Lord will not answer you in that day.” This admonition reminded Europeans for centuries of the predatory nature of states. The passage was cited by many liberals, including Thomas Paine and Lord Acton, who famously wrote that “power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Libertarian skepticism was reinforced by events of the 20th century, when unrestrained government power, among other factors, led to world war, genocide, and massive human rights violations."
     
  20. Halbhh

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    Yes leftism is a religion, just like many other ideologies.

    (By the way, I'm mostly a free enterprise libertarian, but I don't believe in it as some kind of great helper of human life, just a pragmatic way to let people work with autonomy because many are better than few for decision making about trivial things like how to run a mere temporal economy; it's important not to put faith in 'free market' etc. shiny ideology)

    But leftism isn't even close to the most common religion, in my view. Instead i think materialism -- idolatry of stuff, houses, cars, etc. -- is the most common religion.
     
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