Left handed Tantra

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The nature of Left-handed Tantra leads to the situation where, looking back, the worst thing you ever did may well be the best thing you ever did. The world seldom records the full history, and spiders behind the scenes spin webs unseen, for the better good too.

Society is not the final arbiter of morality, after all.
 
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One can learn from their mistakes. Knowing what I've done can haunt me, but if I am no longer that person, at the very least, I have the memory that is a lasting stain upon the conscience. Knowing this, it is a deterrent to entertain sin (to not be haunted).

Desiring righteousness, and having entertained sin, sin is often something we are ashamed of. The lasting shame however is built in identity. Identifying with that sin, as if its you. We must distance ourselves from what was and live in the now, having been transformed by God and sanctified. No longer slaves to sin, but of righteousness.

If I thought of the worst thing I've done, it saddens me because I feel like I have to hide behind a front to conceal the monster within. Yet, this line of thought is a lie because our previous sins are washed in the blood of Christ. Dead to sin and alive unto God.

I only wish that the worst thing I did, I didn't do. Is that repentance? Only a part. Let us walk in righteousness, in love.
 
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What most Westerners think of when they hear "left-handed tantra" and what people from Hindu cultures associate with the term are two quite distinct (if distantly and historically related) things.
To Hindu practitioners, the breaking of taboos (by eating meat, drinking alcohol etc.) is only permitted in specific ritual circumstances - being on the left-hand path is NOT the same as questioning or even dismissing societal taboos; just drawing upon the psychological response generated by doing "unclean" things.
 
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The nature of Left-handed Tantra leads to the situation where, looking back, the worst thing you ever did may well be the best thing you ever did. The world seldom records the full history, and spiders behind the scenes spin webs unseen, for the better good too.

Society is not the final arbiter of morality, after all.

Interesting..... yes..... for all that I know Satan....... might really be in the mind set of Stanley Milgram Ph. D. and perhaps..... the former Covering Cherub who made the error of falling into pride............ actually hates pride........
and may well be driving all of his followers in the direction of extreme humility?!

Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram. They measured the willingness of study participants, men from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience. Participants were led to believe that they were assisting an unrelated experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner." These fake electric shocks gradually increased to levels that would have been fatal had they been real.[2]

The experiment found, unexpectedly, that a very high proportion of men would fully obey the instructions, albeit reluctantly. Milgram first described his research in a 1963 article in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[3]

The experiments began in July 1961, in the basement of Linsly-Chittenden Hall at Yale University,[4] three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminalAdolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the popular contemporary question: "Could it be that Eichmann and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"[5] The experiment was repeated many times around the globe, with fairly consistent results.[6]

Dr. Richard Eby's Near-Death Experience and the Second Coming of Christ
Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

"You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

"Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving."

Jesus paused again.

"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed 'adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony 'sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!"
 
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One can learn from their mistakes. Knowing what I've done can haunt me, but if I am no longer that person, at the very least, I have the memory that is a lasting stain upon the conscience. Knowing this, it is a deterrent to entertain sin (to not be haunted).

Desiring righteousness, and having entertained sin, sin is often something we are ashamed of. The lasting shame however is built in identity. Identifying with that sin, as if its you. We must distance ourselves from what was and live in the now, having been transformed by God and sanctified. No longer slaves to sin, but of righteousness.

If I thought of the worst thing I've done, it saddens me because I feel like I have to hide behind a front to conceal the monster within. Yet, this line of thought is a lie because our previous sins are washed in the blood of Christ. Dead to sin and alive unto God.

I only wish that the worst thing I did, I didn't do. Is that repentance? Only a part. Let us walk in righteousness, in love.


Truly well said.......
over this past month or so I have listened to the following book over and over again.......
it answers so many of my questions about what is really going on in the bigger picture.

 
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The whole thing about the creation story of turtles all the way down is that you can’t really unhear it, can you? Only 1984 circumstances would know different.
Who knows what the effect of hearing that or any of the ancient literatures and practices will have on someone living outside of the culture, over here in the here and now that we somewhat all share?
People staring at walls for 40 years and other such austerities no doubt have imagined worlds like ours in their silences. The alternative to enlightenment in such circumstances is insanity, but that is not how the literature reads.
For sure they imagined us in the interim.

Nice to look at things from the other side of the dark sometimes.
 
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The whole thing about the creation story of turtles all the way down is that you can’t really unhear it, can you? Only 1984 circumstances would know different.
Who knows what the effect of hearing that or any of the ancient literatures and practices will have on someone living outside of the culture, over here in the here and now that we somewhat all share?
People staring at walls for 40 years and other such austerities no doubt have imagined worlds like ours in their silences. The alternative to enlightenment in such circumstances is insanity, but that is not how the literature reads.
For sure they imagined us in the interim.

Nice to look at things from the other side of the dark sometimes.

This might make more sense:

Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience

I was in pre creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word/the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.
 
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Is this a thread primarily intended for heroic conservatives like Kim Davis defying the law and pursuing her own ideas of morality in a sea of liberal ones? Lol.

Sadly, it is quite hard to go against the status quo or even speak out about it. Unless you're a psychopath. You have men like The Marquis De Sade (someone from the 18th/early19th century who thought sex should be done with as little shame and openness and as frequently as eating food), and Aliester Crowley pushing the moral envelope. As far as the latter's case I believe he pretty much died with a mentally exhausted and depressed mind for being such a social outsider. Evolutionary is makes sense, you need a somewhat cohesive group who will not wonder apart too far. We're extremely social animals who are quite sensitive to shame. It is depressing how weak the human mind is, and something I've really learned these past few years. Especially when the social shame probably isn't warranted. Maybe some people have a genetic combination that enables them to enjoy both empathy and little guilt, but I like many others wasn't lucky to be born with it.
 
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