• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.
  3. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.
  4. There have been some changes in the Life Stages section involving the following forums: Roaring 20s, Terrific Thirties, Fabulous Forties, and Golden Eagles. They are changed to Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Golden Eagles will have a slight change.
  5. CF Staff, Angels and Ambassadors; ask that you join us in praying for the world in this difficult time, asking our Holy Father to stop the spread of the virus, and for healing of all affected.
  6. We are no longer allowing posts or threads that deny the existence of Covid-19. Members have lost loved ones to this virus and are grieving. As a Christian site, we do not need to add to the pain of the loss by allowing posts that deny the existence of the virus that killed their loved one. Future post denying the Covid-19 existence, calling it a hoax, will be addressed via the warning system.

LDS LDS Jesus Could Have Lost His Godhood

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Old Lady, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. BigDaddy4

    BigDaddy4 Movin' on...

    +1,875
    Christian
    Married
    The lds already follow his plan of works-based salvation. Look at how many non-Biblical "commandments" you have to check off to get to your "exhaltation" merit badge so you can qualify to be a god. Do you know who else wanted to be god?

    [​IMG]
     
  2. BigDaddy4

    BigDaddy4 Movin' on...

    +1,875
    Christian
    Married
    BYU is a prime example. Jesus said many things. Very few, if any, show up in the lds exaltation checklist.
     
  3. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    Don't leave the class in the middle of the test. Satan does not want you to succeed.
     
  4. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

    +6,737
    United States
    SDA
    Widowed
    US-Others

    Only test that interests me:
    1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    JS fails it.
     
  5. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

    +486
    Mormon
    Married
    You must always remember that the Law of Moses was "work based salvation".

    That is not what we believe. We believe that it is by grace that we are saved, but we are not going to sit around on our butts waiting for it. We are going to help Jesus to bring as many souls to Jesus as we can and we are going to try to act like him and do the same kinds of things that he did. It is a combination of grace and works, just like the scriptures reveal, all the scriptures, not just the believe and grace scriptures. We believe them too, but there is more to the bible than just believe and grace scriptures. If not, the bible would be 1 page long.
     
  6. Peter1000

    Peter1000 Well-Known Member

    +486
    Mormon
    Married
    Why don't you supply a checklist and then lets see if our exaltation checklist is about the same.
     
  7. Old Lady

    Old Lady ...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me Supporter

    +10,935
    United States
    Protestant
    Widowed
    “Our Church is founded upon the premise that spiritual growth and exaltation must be earned by the efforts of the individual.”
    Henry D. Moyle, Improvement Era, December 1937, 787
     
  8. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    The Book of Mormon proves that Joseph Smith was indeed a prophet of God.
     
  9. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    Grace is a gift to those who keep the commandments.

    (New Testament | 1 Peter 4:17 - 19)

    17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
    18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
    19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
     
  10. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

    +6,737
    United States
    SDA
    Widowed
    US-Others

    As I said before---it is the Book of Mormon and everything else he wrote that prove he isn't!
     
  11. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    The Book of Mormon is from God, I know it is:

    (Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:12 - 19)

    12 Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually.
    13 But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually; wherefore, every thing which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God.
    14 Wherefore, take heed, my beloved brethren, that ye do not judge that which is evil to be of God, or that which is good and of God to be of the devil.
    15 For behold, my brethren, it is given unto you to judge, that ye may know good from evil; and the way to judge is as plain, that ye may know with a perfect knowledge, as the daylight is from the dark night.
    16 For behold, the Spirit of Christ is given to every man, that he may know good from evil; wherefore, I show unto you the way to judge; for every thing which inviteth to do good, and to persuade to believe in Christ, is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God.
    17 But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
    18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
    19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
     
  12. Old Lady

    Old Lady ...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me Supporter

    +10,935
    United States
    Protestant
    Widowed
    Do you make your children earn the "gifts" you already paid for so that they will understand how much those gifts cost you? Be sure to leave the price tags on those gifts! :p

    Luke 6
    30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
     
  13. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

    +6,737
    United States
    SDA
    Widowed
    US-Others

    And I know it is not.

    2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    The Father was never a man who became God, and He had no father, He has no wife/wives, He had One and only One Son who was of His own subdtsnce, He never died and was resurrected, He was God from everlasting to everlasting. He did not father "spirit children'" with these wives who are us, before we were born. Our God of the bible is not your god of JS.
     
  14. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    16 Important Bible Verses About Teaching Children - Teach Our Children to Follow Christ
     
  15. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    Satan did not bring the everlasting gospel, Moroni did.

    (New Testament | Revelation 14:6 - 7)

    6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    We are like the Father:

    (New Testament | 1 John 3:2 - 8)

    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
     
  16. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

    +6,737
    United States
    SDA
    Widowed
    US-Others
    Moroni was not an angel of God. God's angel's do not lie about who the Father is. The real angels know God was never human, they know there is no heavenly mother, they know there are no 3 levels of heaven, they know who Jesus is and that He is the ONE and ONLY Son of God and they know that we never existed before being born. They know that the Father had no father. The work of Satan is to lie about who God is, what His character is like. It is how he got 1/3 of the angels to turn from Him---with lies. He is still doing it.
     
  17. BigDaddy4

    BigDaddy4 Movin' on...

    +1,875
    Christian
    Married
    The Law of Moses showed that no one could keep the law perfectly and that, despite "all you can do", it is God's grace and mercy that saves.
    Your "grace" has a lot of "buts" attached to it, so yes, you do sit around on your "buts".

    These 2 statements of yours contradict each other. Both cannot be true.

    "We believe that it is by grace that we are saved"
    "It is a combination of grace and works"
     
  18. BigDaddy4

    BigDaddy4 Movin' on...

    +1,875
    Christian
    Married
    John 3:16.

    Now where is your exaltation checklist?
     
  19. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

    +355
    United States
    Mormon
    Married
    Real angels know that Jesus Christ did indeed take upon Himself humanity and was born of Mary. You can believe what you have been taught, but there is nothing to back it up. I have the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price and the words of a prophet of God. I know that God is just and fair and will allow everyone to be taught the gospel so they can be judged rightfully:

    (New Testament | 1 Peter 4:5 - 11)

    5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
    6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
    7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
    8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
    9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
    10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
    11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
     
  20. mmksparbud

    mmksparbud Well-Known Member

    +6,737
    United States
    SDA
    Widowed
    US-Others
    I was talking about the Father, everyone knows Jesus became human. The Father was never human--=-He never had a wife, He has Only One Son. The Father never died and was resurrected---all of God's angels know this. Moroni was no angel of God. If he ever existed, he lied for that is what Satan does--lie.
    You have no basis for your believes of the Father being human, you have only a fallen angels says so, we have the bible, the word of God---it says the Father was never a man. This is Moroni:

    2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    You are serving a false God and thereby, breaking the commandments. Turn to the real God of the bible and be saved, JS can not save, a false Father, Son and Holy Spirit can not save.
     
Loading...