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Latest debate - Muhammad hijab vs David wood, did anyone watch this?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by Godistruth1, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. Godistruth1

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    Anyone who watched this recently conducted debate? Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Al Masihi

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    Pretty deceptive for Mohammed Hijab to deny that Salah Ala and Salah Alay both mean pray, although sure both have different meanings within their context, both however can’t be used unless your trying to spread the message of someone praying for something or someone praying in general. So if it does simply mean blessings as Mohammed Hijab try’s to make it look like to escape the argument why is Allah the only one worth of praise praising Mohammed? Infact why is God telling Mohammed peace be upon you? I mean seriously, Muslims think please I beg you think a bit by yourselves instead of letting your Ulema think for you.

    I’ve so far never seen a video where David Wood mocked Mohammed without actually quoting an Islamic source, heck even the video of him dressing up as a women had an Islamic source behind it. Mohammed Hijab also forgets that pretty much the entire Quran is about insulting other people’s deities or gettin threatened with excruciating torture in hell, hey atleast the Bible doesn’t attack the personal attributes of other deities like the Quran does. One mistake many Muslims make is that early Christians were somehow divided between people who believed in a divinity of Jesus and those who worshipped God the Father only, well it wasn’t so simple.

    Unfortunately the Christian world wasn’t split between God the Father Worshipping Christians and Jesus worshippers, it was actually split between Triunists, Arians who believed in the semi divinity of Jesus as the modern day Jehovah Witness, the Modalists who believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all modes of God, and of course the Gnostic sects who also held to heretical understandings of Christs divinity such as embracing the concept that Christ’s divinity ate his humanity or denying his death on the cross due to his all powerful divinity. Justin the Martyr’s quote about Jupiter is frequently misused by Atheists and Agnostics to prove Christians copied from Pagans unfortunately it is taken out of context and is self refuting, sad to see Mohammed Hijab stoop so low:

    justin the matryr jupiter - Google Search:

    How can you attempt to say that Ebionites held the Islamic position of Jesus when they denied Jesus got revelation from God or was a prophet in the Islamic sense, Mohammed Hijab is pretty much picking and choosing whatever he wants to support his argument and position. The term Theos depends on the context of the passage it’s obviously been used for the Holy Spirit in refferences to God based on context. Mohammed Hijab is not making an argument from evidence he’s making an argument from misquoting evidence which can refute his own position when presented properly, let’s see what Gregory of Nyssa says about the Holy Spirit:

    St Gregory of Nyssa, On the Holy Spirit - Full text, in English - 1

    On to Gregory of Nazanius:

    St Gregory Nazianzen and the Holy Spirit (part 1)

    I think Mohammed Hijab doesn’t know that disputes within the Church doesn’t compromise what the Apostolic tradition of the Church and Scripture itself says about the Theology of Christianity. If this is his criteria then what do we do about the Mu’tazilites, Druze, Alawites, and other sects Muslims say are heretical and schismatic?

    Unfortunately Mohammed Hijab danced around the question of the Christian convert. He distinguished between the followers of Jesus who in Islamic context were Muslims to Christians who came after and were trinitarian believers in the divinity of Christ, but that doesn’t solve the issue how could the faith of the disciples somehow get lost if God promises that he would guard them? How could God let their faith get corrupted when he specifically promised them to be foremost against all people on earth, then hundreds of years later he lets disbelievers insert the Trinity into the religion, that’s not a god worthy of a single prayer.

    Islam was spread organically? No habibi it was spread through conquest and Jizyah infact Islam is the only faith which spread through massive conquest of territory and imposition of very degrading social terms on the non Muslim population to compel conversion to Islam, either way convert or not the Muslims still benefit, you become one of them increasing their population or give them tax as a slave increasing their income. Muslims practically invented colonialism infact most modern European rulers were inspired by Islamic based colonialism and based colonial rule on certain aspects of Sharia law itself. Even when Europeans colonized the Americas and Africa they weren’t in any position to convert the population forcefully directly it had to be gradual with the association of the foreigners gods with Christianity, missionaries, and occasional forced conversion only in the case of defeated enemies or tribes for the penalty of resisting colonial rule itself not for converting them for the sake of converting them. This was mostly due to the distance of Europe and it’s central power to the European colonies, fighting rebellions weren’t easy especially when they were half a world away in foreign land and territory, colonialism had to appear good as such forced conversion was for the most part avoided. It’s actually Islam which requires an empire to spread as it was evidenced that Islam declined as soon as the modern era started to kick in while Christianity was able to reincorporate itself into the modern world without an empire or government influence anymore.

    1 Peter 3:15 is used in the context of of those who show interest in Christianity or to those who lend their ear to the Gospel, it is not used or applied to heretics or hostile non believers like the Muslims.

    I conclude by saying that both debaters were ok, David Wood was not his best this time and should have been more active and aggressive in this debate, Mohammed Hijab mainly misquoted or worked around most of the questions as I’ve demonstrated. Over all it was a good debate.
     
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  3. Lost4words

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    I dismiss anything muslim as to me it is a 100% false religion.
     
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    Except that it isn't.
     
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    The parts about the insults and the threats.

    What number of quotes do you think are sufficient to substantiate your allegation that "pretty much the entire Quran is about insulting other people’s deities or gettin threatened with excruciating torture in hell"?
     
  7. Al Masihi

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    Most of the Quran is based around that, those parts make up the majority of the Quran that’s not even half of all the disturbing Quranic verses describing torture in hell.
     
  8. Theo102

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    So you say that "most of the Quran" is based around that, but all you've got to back up your claim is material that has to look outside the Quran to make it's case? How many actual quotes do you have from the Quran itself in support of your position?
     
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  9. Al Masihi

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    The material I quoted has all the Quran verses listed, did you even read the link?
     
  10. Theo102

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    Why would I waste my time if you can't be honest about the number of verses which support your position?
     
  11. Al Masihi

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    I already posted all the verses which are on the link, at this point your only replying to me back for the sake of replying. The link has all the verses in the Quran so please stop replying to me if you won’t read the link.
     
  12. Theo102

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    No, the point is to make sure people know why you are avoiding of dishonesty regarding your allegations against the Quran, specifically the disconnect between "most of the Quran" and the number of verses from your link.
     
  13. Al Masihi

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    The number of verses are numerous and there are many more that make up the majority of the Quran so please stop replying to my posts if you don’t really have anything relevant to say.
     
  14. Theo102

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    And we should just take your word for it, right? It's obvious that you are lying to prop up the hole in your argument: that the number of verses in you referenced text isn't remotely close to a majority of verses from the Quran.
     
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  15. Al Masihi

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    Take the Quran's word for it and read it, please stop replying to my comments if you have nothing relevant to say. And stop accusing me of things, thank you.
     
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  16. Theo102

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    The first seven verses don't support you.

    1. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
    2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds.
    3. The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
    4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
    5. It is You we worship, and upon You we call for help.
    6. Guide us to the straight path.
    7. The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided.

    Quran in English - Clear and Easy to Read.

    How many other will you ignore before you find one that you think supports your "majority" lie?
     
  17. Hieronymus

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    READ WHAT"S IN THE LINK.
     
  18. Theo102

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    In what way do you think that is relevant to the issue of whether or not the majority verses from the Quran support Al Masihi's allegation?
     
  19. Al Masihi

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    You do understand the meaning of majority right, this verse itself has a threat of punishment, for those who are misguided meaning Christians or Nasara and those of whom there is anger the Jews or Yahoud. Those who are not blessed in Islam are cursed to hellfire. Because if your blessed your a Muslim. Sarah Al Fatiha precisely supports my position please don't teach me a Surah which I was required to memorise every night before bed by my parents. Let me repeat, stop replying to me if you have nothing relevant to say.
     
  20. Theo102

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    Yes, it's what you call a minority.

    No, it, doesn't, and even if it did it would be a minority.

    You're the one saying that Christians in general are misguided, not the Quran.

    What utter tosh.

    Are you seriously saying that an appeal to Allah for guidance to the straight path is somehow an insult or a threat?
     
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