Kylie's GROWN IN JAPAN Challenge

[Kylie]

A machine is built that creates a bag of rice ex nihilo at your feet, then self-destructs.

The bag has a tag on it that says: GROWN IN JAPAN.

Is the claim that the rice was grown in Japan a lie?

 

[crjmurray]

A machine is built that creates a bag of rice ex nihilo at your feet, then self-destructs.

The bag has a tag on it that says: GROWN IN JAPAN.

Is the claim that the rice was grown in Japan a lie?

It's a lie that it was grown at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

A machine is built that creates a bag of rice ex nihilo at your feet, then self-destructs.

The bag has a tag on it that says: GROWN IN JAPAN.

Is the claim that the rice was grown in Japan a lie?

Yes -- unless those making the claim really believe it.

 

[Kylie]

Yes -- unless those making the claim really believe it.

In that case, it is the truth when I say that there is no God, since I really believe it. And since you have just proved that such a claim is the truth, then you should believe it as well, isn't that right, AV?

Or do you see that a person's opinions about something do not reflect the accuracy of their beliefs. When you want accuracy, ignore what people think and instead look at reality itself.

Of course, if one thinks that reality can take a hike, they can never have accuracy at all, and they risk believing in all sorts of nonsense...

 

[AV1611VET]

In that case, it is the truth when I say that there is no God, since I really believe it.

Yes, it's the truth when you say there is no God.

You're wrong, but it's the truth.

(Do you see how something can be the truth, yet wrong?)

 

[pgp_protector]

Yes, it's the truth when you say there is no God.

You're wrong, but it's the truth.

(Do you see how something can be the truth, yet wrong?)

AV Denies God's exist quoted for remembering.

 

[Kylie]

Yes, it's the truth when you say there is no God.

You're wrong, but it's the truth.

(Do you see how something can be the truth, yet wrong?)

No. What you are saying makes no sense.

If someone said that 2+2=5 and genuinely believed it, it will never be truth, no matter how much they believe.

But do you mind if I quote you in my signature?

 

[MissRowy]

Now now....play nicely!!!
Its an interesting discussion though!!

 

[AV1611VET]

No. What you are saying makes no sense.

If someone said that 2+2=5 and genuinely believed it, it will never be truth, no matter how much they believe.

If I said 2+2=5, and believed it, would it be true that I said 2+2=5?

That's basically what you said here:

In that case, it is the truth when I say that there is no God, since I really believe it.

After all, if it's not true, then who said it? your paperboy? the pizza delivery man? the old lady down the street?

None of the above.

You said you did.

But do you mind if I quote you in my signature?

Not at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now now....play nicely!!!
Its an interesting discussion though!!

 

[Kylie]

If I said 2+2=5, and believed it, would it be true that I said 2+2=5?

It would be true that you said it. But there is a big difference between saying a thing and that thing being accurate.

That's basically what you said here:

Like I said, there's a big difference between "Kylie said there is no God" and "There is no God."

After all, if it's not true, then who said it? your paperboy? the pizza delivery man? the old lady down the street?

None of the above.

You said you did.

I think it's quite clear what I was talking about. Are you intentionally misunderstanding?

Not at all.

Thank you.

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

But do you mind if I quote you in my signature?

An atheist who wants to take a quote completely out of context just to misrepresent a Christian's character? Nawww...

 

[MissRowy]

Shes not taking it out of context. She was making a point. And I don't see AV complaining about this.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

A machine is built that creates a bag of rice ex nihilo at your feet, then self-destructs.

The bag has a tag on it that says: GROWN IN JAPAN.

Is the claim that the rice was grown in Japan a lie?

The bag had a tag on it that said: GROWN IN JAPAN.

Surely you mean the machine has a tag on it that says: MADE IN JAPAN?

Is the claim that Deep Purple was made in Japan a lie ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39vhEHUOBRU

 

[TheImmortalJellyfish]

Shes not taking it out of context. She was making a point. And I don't see AV complaining about this.

It was implied as AV disbelieving God's existence. That is NOT what he was saying at all.

 

[crjmurray]

The bag had a tag on it that said: GROWN IN JAPAN.

Surely you mean the machine has a tag on it that says: MADE IN JAPAN?

Is the claim that Deep Purple was made in Japan a lie ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39vhEHUOBRU

The machine was destroyed so no tags. But you could always go to the people that bulit the machine. That was the problem with AVs initial "challenge".

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The machine was destroyed so no tags. But you could always go to the people that bulit the machine. That was the problem with AVs initial "challenge".

Oops. A senior moment. (Apologies Kylie ) What is wrong with me?

sidebar: I'm really enjoying this album!

Is this the whole ex-nihilo, St. Augustine thingamajig?

 

[crjmurray]

Oops. A senior moment. (Apologies Kylie ) What is wrong with me?

sidebar: I'm really enjoying this album!

Is this the whole ex-nihilo, St. Augustine thingamajig?

Deep purple and your past behavior here... I can imagine what the problem is haha

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Deep purple and your past behavior here... I can imagine what the problem is haha

I've tried reforming, but some spots, stains and stripes are permanent!

 

[MissRowy]

hahahahaha. This leopard couldnt change his stripes!!!