Koran verses read denying Jesus Son of God in Cathedral

[Dave-W]

Not true.

To which statement - that allah was the moon god; or that allah fits the 1 John description of antichrist?

 

[Dave-W]

that Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham.

"Two out of three ain't bad."

Jews and Christians actually do. Islam, OTOH, got a poser.

 

[mkgal1]

To which statement - that allah was the moon god; or that allah fits the 1 John description of antichrist?

Both.

 

[mkgal1]

From this source:What Is the Connection With Abraham and Islam?

Abraham is a significant religious and patriarchal figure within three religions -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Muslims refer to Abraham as "Ibrahim" and view him as one of the religion's great prophets. Ibrahim also plays an important role in terms of genealogy, as Muslims trace Prophet Muhammad's bloodline to Ishmael, the eldest of Ibrahim's sons.

Islam is referred to as an "Abrahamic religion," because the religion, along with Judaism and Christianity, recognizes Ibrahim as a significant prophet and patriarchal figure. As an Abrahamic faith, Islam is monotheistic, believing in one God and one God alone. Muslims do not view Ibrahim as a Muslim -- Islam, as an organized religion, started centuries after Ibrahim's lifetime -- but a person who intrinsically believed in one God

 

[Dave-W]

According to the koran - allah has no son.

1 Jn 2.22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father;

If islam teaches that God has no Son, then by this scripture it is antichrist.

 

[Archivist]

You are mistaken, my friend. The God of Abraham includes Jesus His Son.

To which statement - that allah was the moon god; or that allah fits the 1 John description of antichrist?

No, they worship the God of Abraham. As I said, it is their understanding of the God of Abraham is wrong.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

....and what's your source for that? Breitbart? Aren't there a few places where the Bible talks about not bearing false witness sowing discord?

Jesus was created The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. (3:59, Yusif Ali)
Deny Jesus' Crucifixion That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)
Jesus is no more than a messenger of Allah O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (4:171, Yusif Ali)


Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (5:575, Yusif Ali)

 

[Dave-W]

Muslims do not view Ibrahim as a Muslim -- Islam, as an organized religion, started centuries after Ibrahim's lifetime -- but a person who intrinsically believed in one God

James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

 

[Dave-W]

As I said, it is their understanding of the God of Abraham is wrong.

Their "understanding" is how a poser got in and supplanted the TRUE God of Abraham without them knowing it.

2 Corinthians 11:14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

No, they worship the God of Abraham. As I said, it is their understanding of the God of Abraham is wrong.

Your statement of: No, they worship the God of Abraham. As I said, it is their understanding of the God of Abraham is wrong."

 

[Dave-W]

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[mkgal1]

According to the koran - allah has no son.

Cite a source for that.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Cite a source for that.

Jesus is no more than a messenger of Allah O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (4:171, Yusif Ali)

 

[mkgal1]

Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (5:575, Yusif Ali)

You had said, "Muslim belief does not honor Jesus Christ of the Bible." That's what I am saying isn't true.

Jesus is no more than a messenger of Allah O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. (4:171, Yusif Ali)

Right....they believe Jesus is "His Word". Just as we do:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God....."

We part ways in our belief that "the Word WAS God" as they are strictly monotheists (and perceive that as having plural Gods).

 

[-57]

Allah is the same god in Christianity and Judaism. It's just a different name for the same thing.

Basic Christianity 101......Jesus is God. If Allah was the same God as Christianty they would affirm the diety of Jesus. They don't. Therefor they follow a different God. Pretty simple.

 

[mkgal1]

If Allah was the same God as Christianty....

Do you know what Palestinian Christians call "God"? 'We Palestinian Christians say Allahu Akbar'

 

[-57]

Jewish people also deny the Trinity and divinity of Christ... they still worship the same deity, the one Islam says gave birth to Jesus through Mary.

Do they?

 

[-57]

Do you know what Palestinian Christians call "God"?

They don't call Him Jesus.

 

[mkgal1]

They don't call Him Jesus.

Do you separate the historic Jesus of Nazareth from the Trinity and call Him God (on His own)?

 

[-57]

Do you separate the historic Jesus of Nazareth from the Trinity and call Him God (on His own)?

No. Do you?