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Featured Know church history well but stay protestant

Discussion in 'Christian History' started by Jesusthekingofking, Mar 19, 2021.

  1. Jesusthekingofking

    Jesusthekingofking Active Member

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    I've heard the story of many protestants became Roman Catholic after they're exposed to church history and the church fathers. But I guess as an anglican, I don't see the appeal there, maybe anglican too is rich in history, the continuity is there unlike many modern protestant churches.. so I as a protestant I don't feel I need a leap..
     
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  2. Paidiske

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    I don't know what sort of responses you're looking for, but it might be encouraging for you to hear someone else say that I feel similar. I've studied a fair bit of church history (including the early church) and feel more deeply rooted as an Anglican as a result.
     
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  3. Quid est Veritas?

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    I don't think that is wholely the case. Many of the Reformers deeply studied the Church Fathers after all. I myself enjoy history, so have read a fair bit too - and I am still Protestant, although with a lot of sympathy for High Church tendencies.

    I think what happens is that many of the smaller Protestant denominations lack the sense of deep roots, as they are not part of large global Churches. Further, low churches tend to have less adornment, or something someone's aunt made for the church, so also they don't feel old or established. I think that is why Baptists like to posit some form of surreptitious Baptist movement suppressed by the Catholics, or such. It is part and parcell of the idea of Sola Scriptura, that Tradition is relegated - and thus Protestants don't necessarily feel that tradition there, with a big disconnect from Jesus and the Apostles to the beginning of their denomination in the Reformation or into the last 200 or so years.

    Lutherans or Anglicans with the continued Apostolic succession, though denied by the Roman Church, don't have this listless feeling. Those that care about the history and roots of the Church, that will actually read history, are in many ways thus predisposed to look for this continuance. It is because the Reformation is portrayed as a big break, instead of something in similar vein to previous reformations within the Church, like the Clunaic reforms or the Franciscan. It is in my opinion, an artifact of the type of person that reads Church history, that they may tend to bow the knee to Rome or Constantinople. I doubt that if you took a general Protestant congregation and started intensively teaching Church history, that you'd suddenly swell the local Catholic Parish much.
     
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  4. GreekOrthodox

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    Some of us swam the Bosporus to the East rather than the Tiber to Rome.
     
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  5. disciple Clint

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    I believe that for most people the history in no way influences their selection of a denomination. People who spend time analyzing different denominational beliefs make their selection based on what is most compatible with their personal beliefs. Most people do not even get into that depth.
     
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  6. Francis Drake

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    I think anyone reading genuine church history would flee the Catholic Church
     
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  7. Clertole

    Clertole New Member

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    I can agree with this. A lot has changed since then.
     
  8. Basil the Great

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    You are probably referring to the Middle Ages and not to the first 1,000 years. I have studied this issue for decades and still find no conclusive answer. Quite frankly, it is a mess. All four branches of Christianity have their pluses and minuses. I sometimes actually wonder if perhaps the Oriental Orthodox have the least baggage of the four?
     
  9. tz620q

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    Yeah, but that is a much harder swim to make. :liturgy:
     
  10. GreekOrthodox

    GreekOrthodox Psalti Chrysostom

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    LOL, how about swimming the Nile (becoming Oriental Orthodox)?
     
  11. tz620q

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    This is from a quote by one of histories more prominent converts, John Henry Cardinal Newman, who said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be protestant." This reflected his story of being a theologian, poet, and Anglican priest and studying the early church history and fathers. He became a Catholic priest and cardinal.
    I don't think the quote is an absolute maxim. I take protestant for its original meaning of someone who protests the Catholic Church, not someone of a particular denomination. In that sense, I think studying history will diminish one's desire to protest; but maybe not to the point of conversion.
     
  12. FenderTL5

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    For me it was the opposite, I sought to transform my beliefs into what the original Church believed.
     
  13. RDKirk

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    Studying Church history has not caused me to want to become Roman Catholic. It's not just a matter of what happened then, it's also a matter of what's happened since and what's happening now.
     
  14. Francis Drake

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    One's uphill and the other downhill?
    Drake needs to know these things in case he sails the passage. (With his usual intentions of sinking Catholic ships)
     
  15. Albion

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    Looking at the same evidence, some of us didn't think there were only two choices. ;)
     
  16. Direct Driver

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    My middle daughter is the only one out of three that stayed Christian after my divorce 24 years ago. But she also went off the deep end about two years ago and became so Catholic that even she admits she may become a nun.

    The more I know about Catholicism, and the more I debate informed Catholics, the less respect for that organization I have. Judge a tree by its fruit.

    But my daughter is "socially challenged" and desperately needed to be a part of an organization bigger than herself. It's what causes a lot of folks to become Mormons and even muslims. A lot of people need order in their life and will give authority to create that order to some organization they respect.
     
  17. Albion

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    I should hope that you would not! Newman, by the way, is lauded all the time in Roman Catholic circles and was made a saint by the RCC, but most of those who were his co-workers in the Oxford Movement didn't follow his lead, so of course, they are forgotten by most people.

    That isn't the meaning or origin of the word.

    It doesn't derive from the act of protesting against the Roman Catholic Church but, instead, from a protest of Lutherans against a particular decree of the 1520s by which the Holy Roman Empire rescinded certain rights that had previously been given the Lutherans parallel to the status of the Empire's Catholics. That's the "protest" in the word "Protest-antism."
     
  18. GreekOrthodox

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    I looked at the Episcopalian church and they have way too much weirdness going on.
    Cat in the Hat Eucharist
     
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  19. Jesusthekingofking

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    Interesting view, I think it's correct for common people. Common ppl stick to their present preferences more than history because who care about dead people but their own friends? Or even the distance of a church to their house right? But those who choose that way ruined orthodoxy.
     
  20. Jesusthekingofking

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    Which 4 branches are you referring to? Catholic, Eastern orthodox and protestant, for me it's just 3.
     
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