• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

King Obama, the dictator

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by woodpecker, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. woodpecker

    woodpecker Senior Member

    +79
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Others
    :bow:bow to Obama, the great king of the US government. What a scary man, to believe he can ignore the constitution, and to override a religions choice to practice their faith.:doh:
    -----------

    Obama's attack on religious liberty not an issue only for Catholics

    Opinions on contraception vary, but the issue is not whether one agrees or disagrees with Catholic opposition to contraception. The issue is that the administration has violated the First Amendment guarantee of religious liberty by forcing religiously affiliated organizations to offer contraception as part of their health care plans

    Neither should it make any difference whether or not Americans in general happen to believe that health insurance plans ought to include contraception.

    The Bill of Rights was written to safeguard fundamental freedoms.:thumbsup: Those liberties are not subject to being denied on a presidential whim.

    Republicans in Congress have denounced the Obama administration's attack on religious liberty, and even some Democrats have objected.

    Obama's attack on religious liberty not an issue only for Catholics | timesfreepress.com
     
    We teamed up with Faith Counseling. Can they help you today?
  2. Archivist

    Archivist Senior Veteran Supporter

    +3,595
    Lutheran
    Single
    US-Republican
  3. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    woodpecker, What can one do to convince your Roman Catholic Church that 98% of catholic women use... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...house-official-says-98-catholic-women-have-u/

    It is time for the RCC to jump into the 21st century, and clear the dogma books of some ridiculous social behavior controls. The Church stand against contraceptives is just not a USA concern, it's a global concern. My goodness, the RCC should inform all the Catholic women around the world that contraceptives are ok to use.

    This is not what your GOP says it is. It is not about Religious freedom, Bill of Rights, First Amendment? It's about political rhetoric. Hate Obama! Beat Obama! It is about Catholic hierarchy pulling your string.
     
  4. WinBySurrender

    WinBySurrender Well-Known Member

    +144
    Baptist
    Single
    US-Republican
    Lane, that's not the issue, and your own party is abandoning ship. More than likely, that's because over 19 million of the 36 million US Catholics voted for Obama in 2008, but for the moment that's beside the point. And as this report shows, it may be a moot point at that.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1444888436001/fair-and-balanced-debate-on-contraception-mandate

    If they don't back down, Obama will be trying to force a US Christian denomination to act against it's teachings. This is an intrusion into the freedom of religion, and the First Amendment specifically forbids Congress from making a rule infringing on that freedom. Apparently Obama believes, as president, he isn't subject to that caveat. I mean, after all, he's not "congress" but the president, right?

    The reason the founders didn't write the First Amendment to include presidential decisions is because the founders didn't envision the president having any legislative powers. But Washington and every president since have, by executive order, done exactly that -- written legislation. The past arguments have gone to the Supreme Court, but they have never ruled on the overall efficacy of the executive order, particularly when in conflict of obvious constitutional intent. This issue may change that.

    If it doesn't, the president will be able to issue executive orders taxing churches and religious organizations, ban public evangelism, even outlaw religion altogether. You may think that's far-fetched, but if this order is allowed to stand, the others will not be out of bounds for this or future presidents.
     
  5. tulc

    tulc loves "SO'S YER MOM!! posts!

    +12,073
    Christian
    Married
    You're right, it's always a shame when laws have to apply equally to everyone in a country. :mad:
    tulc(...oh wait...) :sorry:
     
  6. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person

    +15,573
    Christian
    Married
    US-Others
    1) Obama isn't a King or Dictator.
    2) It wasn't just Obama that passed this bill.
    Rep. Gary Ackerman [D, NY-5]
    Rep. Robert Andrews [D, NJ-1]
    Rep. Joe Baca [D, CA-43]
    Brian Baird
    Rep. Tammy Baldwin [D, WI-2]
    Melissa Bean
    Rep. Xavier Becerra [D, CA-31]
    Rep. Shelley Berkley [D, NV-1]
    Rep. Howard Berman [D, CA-28]
    Rep. Sanford Bishop [D, GA-2]
    Rep. Timothy Bishop [D, NY-1]
    Rep. Earl Blumenauer [D, OR-3]
    John Boccieri
    Rep. Leonard Boswell [D, IA-3]
    Allen Boyd
    Rep. Robert Brady [D, PA-1]
    Rep. Bruce Braley [D, IA-1]
    Rep. Corrine Brown [D, FL-3]
    Rep. George Butterfield [D, NC-1]
    Rep. Lois Capps [D, CA-23]
    Rep. Michael Capuano [D, MA-8]
    Rep. Dennis Cardoza [D, CA-18]
    Rep. Russ Carnahan [D, MO-3]
    Christopher Carney
    Rep. André Carson [D, IN-7]
    Rep. Kathy Castor [D, FL-11]
    Rep. Judy Chu [D, CA-32]
    Rep. Yvette Clarke [D, NY-11]
    Rep. William Clay [D, MO-1]
    Rep. Emanuel Cleaver [D, MO-5]
    Rep. James Clyburn [D, SC-6]
    Rep. Steve Cohen [D, TN-9]
    Rep. Gerald Connolly [D, VA-11]
    Rep. John Conyers [D, MI-14]
    Rep. Jim Cooper [D, TN-5]
    Rep. Jim Costa [D, CA-20]
    Rep. Jerry Costello [D, IL-12]
    Rep. Joe Courtney [D, CT-2]
    Rep. Joseph Crowley [D, NY-7]
    Rep. Henry Cuellar [D, TX-28]
    Rep. Elijah Cummings [D, MD-7]
    Kathleen Dahlkemper
    Rep. Susan Davis [D, CA-53]
    Rep. Danny Davis [D, IL-7]
    Rep. Peter DeFazio [D, OR-4]
    Rep. Diana DeGette [D, CO-1]
    William Delahunt
    Rep. Rosa DeLauro [D, CT-3]
    Rep. Norman Dicks [D, WA-6]
    Rep. John Dingell [D, MI-15]
    Rep. Lloyd Doggett [D, TX-25]
    Rep. Joe Donnelly [D, IN-2]
    Rep. Michael Doyle [D, PA-14]
    Steve Driehaus
    Rep. Donna Edwards [D, MD-4]
    Rep. Keith Ellison [D, MN-5]
    Brad Ellsworth
    Rep. Eliot Engel [D, NY-17]
    Rep. Anna Eshoo [D, CA-14]
    Bob Etheridge
    Rep. Sam Farr [D, CA-17]
    Rep. Chaka Fattah [D, PA-2]
    Rep. Bob Filner [D, CA-51]
    Bill Foster
    Rep. Barney Frank [D, MA-4]
    Rep. Marcia Fudge [D, OH-11]
    Rep. John Garamendi [D, CA-10]
    Rep. Gabrielle Giffords [D, AZ-8]
    Rep. Charles Gonzalez [D, TX-20]
    Barton Gordon
    Alan Grayson
    Rep. Raymond Green [D, TX-29]
    Rep. Al Green [D, TX-9]
    Rep. Raul Grijalva [D, AZ-7]
    Rep. Luis Gutiérrez [D, IL-4]
    John Hall
    Deborah Halvorson
    Phil Hare
    Rep. Jane Harman [D, CA-36]
    Rep. Alcee Hastings [D, FL-23]
    Rep. Martin Heinrich [D, NM-1]
    Rep. Brian Higgins [D, NY-27]
    Baron Hill
    Rep. James Himes [D, CT-4]
    Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D, NY-22]
    Rep. Rubén Hinojosa [D, TX-15]
    Rep. Mazie Hirono [D, HI-2]
    Paul Hodes
    Rep. Rush Holt [D, NJ-12]
    Rep. Michael Honda [D, CA-15]
    Rep. Steny Hoyer [D, MD-5]
    Rep. Jay Inslee [D, WA-1]
    Rep. Steve Israel [D, NY-2]
    Rep. Jesse Jackson [D, IL-2]
    Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee [D, TX-18]
    Rep. Henry Johnson [D, GA-4]
    Rep. Eddie Johnson [D, TX-30]
    Steve Kagen
    Paul Kanjorski
    Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D, OH-9]
    Patrick Kennedy
    Rep. Dale Kildee [D, MI-5]
    Carolyn Kilpatrick
    Mary Jo Kilroy
    Rep. Ronald Kind [D, WI-3]
    Ann Kirkpatrick
    Ron Klein
    Suzanne Kosmas
    Rep. Dennis Kucinich [D, OH-10]
    Rep. James Langevin [D, RI-2]
    Rep. Rick Larsen [D, WA-2]
    Rep. John Larson [D, CT-1]
    Rep. Barbara Lee [D, CA-9]
    Rep. Sander Levin [D, MI-12]
    Rep. John Lewis [D, GA-5]
    Rep. David Loebsack [D, IA-2]
    Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D, CA-16]
    Rep. Nita Lowey [D, NY-18]
    Rep. Ben Luján [D, NM-3]
    Daniel Maffei
    Rep. Carolyn Maloney [D, NY-14]
    Betsy Markey
    Rep. Edward Markey [D, MA-7]
    Rep. Doris Matsui [D, CA-5]
    Rep. Carolyn McCarthy [D, NY-4]
    Rep. Betty McCollum [D, MN-4]
    Rep. James McDermott [D, WA-7]
    Rep. James McGovern [D, MA-3]
    Rep. Jerry McNerney [D, CA-11]
    Kendrick Meek
    Rep. Gregory Meeks [D, NY-6]
    Rep. Michael Michaud [D, ME-2]
    Rep. George Miller [D, CA-7]
    Rep. Bradley Miller [D, NC-13]
    Harry Mitchell
    Alan Mollohan
    Dennis Moore
    Rep. Gwen Moore [D, WI-4]
    Rep. James Moran [D, VA-8]
    Rep. Christopher Murphy [D, CT-5]
    Scott Murphy
    Patrick Murphy
    Rep. Jerrold Nadler [D, NY-8]
    Rep. Grace Napolitano [D, CA-38]
    Rep. Richard Neal [D, MA-2]
    James Oberstar
    David Obey
    Rep. John Olver [D, MA-1]
    Solomon Ortiz
    Rep. William Owens [D, NY-23]
    Rep. Frank Pallone [D, NJ-6]
    Rep. William Pascrell [D, NJ-8]
    Rep. Edward Pastor [D, AZ-4]
    Rep. Donald Payne [D, NJ-10]
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi [D, CA-8]
    Rep. Ed Perlmutter [D, CO-7]
    Thomas Perriello
    Rep. Gary Peters [D, MI-9]
    Rep. Chellie Pingree [D, ME-1]
    Rep. Jared Polis [D, CO-2]
    Earl Pomeroy
    Rep. David Price [D, NC-4]
    Rep. Mike Quigley [D, IL-5]
    Rep. Nick Rahall [D, WV-3]
    Rep. Charles Rangel [D, NY-15]
    Rep. Silvestre Reyes [D, TX-16]
    Rep. Laura Richardson [D, CA-37]
    Ciro Rodriguez
    Rep. Steven Rothman [D, NJ-9]
    Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard [D, CA-34]
    Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger [D, MD-2]
    Rep. Bobby Rush [D, IL-1]
    Rep. Timothy Ryan [D, OH-17]
    John Salazar
    Rep. Loretta Sanchez [D, CA-47]
    Rep. Linda Sánchez [D, CA-39]
    Rep. John Sarbanes [D, MD-3]
    Rep. Janice Schakowsky [D, IL-9]
    Mark Schauer
    Rep. Adam Schiff [D, CA-29]
    Rep. Kurt Schrader [D, OR-5]
    Rep. Allyson Schwartz [D, PA-13]
    Rep. David Scott [D, GA-13]
    Rep. Robert Scott [D, VA-3]
    Rep. José Serrano [D, NY-16]
    Joe Sestak
    Carol Shea-Porter
    Rep. Brad Sherman [D, CA-27]
    Rep. Albio Sires [D, NJ-13]
    Rep. Louise Slaughter [D, NY-28]
    Rep. Adam Smith [D, WA-9]
    Victor Snyder
    Rep. Jackie Speier [D, CA-12]
    John Spratt
    Rep. Fortney Stark [D, CA-13]
    Bart Stupak
    Rep. Betty Sutton [D, OH-13]
    Rep. Michael Thompson [D, CA-1]
    Rep. Bennie Thompson [D, MS-2]
    Rep. John Tierney [D, MA-6]
    Dina Titus
    Rep. Paul Tonko [D, NY-21]
    Rep. Edolphus Towns [D, NY-10]
    Rep. Niki Tsongas [D, MA-5]
    Rep. Christopher Van Hollen [D, MD-8]
    Rep. Nydia Velázquez [D, NY-12]
    Rep. Peter Visclosky [D, IN-1]
    Rep. Timothy Walz [D, MN-1]
    Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D, FL-20]
    Rep. Maxine Waters [D, CA-35]
    Diane Watson
    Rep. Melvin Watt [D, NC-12]
    Rep. Henry Waxman [D, CA-30]
    Rep. Anthony Weiner [D, NY-9]
    Rep. Peter Welch [D, VT-0]
    Charles Wilson
    Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D, CA-6]
    Rep. David Wu [D, OR-1]
    Rep. John Yarmuth [D, KY-3]
    NAME
    ACKERMAN, GARY
    ANDREWS, ROB
    BACA, JOE
    BAIRD, BRIAN
    BALDWIN, TAMMY
    BEAN, MELISSA
    BECERRA, XAVIER
    BERKLEY, SHELLEY
    BERMAN, HOWARD
    BISHOP, SANFORD
    BISHOP, TIM
    BLUMENAUER, EARL
    BOCCIERI, JOHN
    BOSWELL, LEONARD
    BOYD, ALLEN
    BRADY, BOB
    BRALEY, BRUCE
    BROWN, CORRINE
    BUTTERFIELD, G. K.
    CAPPS, LOIS
    CAPUANO, MIKE
    CARDOZA, DENNIS
    CARNAHAN, RUSS
    CARNEY, CHRIS
    CARSON, ANDRÉ
    CASTOR, KATHY
    CHU, JUDY
    CLARKE, YVETTE
    CLEAVER, EMANUEL
    CLYBURN, JIM
    COHEN, STEVE
    CONNOLLY, GERRY
    CONYERS, JOHN
    COOPER, JIM
    COSTA, JIM
    COSTELLO, JERRY
    COURTNEY, JOE
    CROWLEY, JOSEPH
    CUELLAR, HENRY
    CUMMINGS, ELIJAH
    DAVIS, DANNY
    DAVIS, SUSAN
    DEFAZIO, PETER
    DEGETTE, DIANA
    DELAHUNT, BILL
    DELAURO, ROSA
    DICKS, NORM
    DINGELL, JOHN
    DOGGETT, LLOYD
    DONNELLY, JOE
    DOYLE, MIKE
    DRIEHAUS, STEVE
    EDWARDS, DONNA
    ELLISON, KEITH
    ELLSWORTH, BRAD
    ENGEL, ELIOT
    ESHOO, ANNA
    ETHERIDGE, BOB
    FARR, SAM
    FATTAH, CHAKA
    FILNER, BOB
    FOSTER, BILL
    FRANK, BARNEY
    FUDGE, MARCIA
    GARAMENDI, JOHN
    GIFFORDS, GABRIELLE
    GONZALEZ, CHARLIE
    GORDON, BART
    GRAYSON, ALAN
    GREEN, AL
    GREEN, GENE
    GRIJALVA, RAÚL
    GUTIÉRREZ, LUIS
    HALL, JOHN
    HALVORSON, DEBBIE
    HARE, PHIL
    HARMAN, JANE
    HASTINGS, ALCEE
    HEINRICH, MARTIN
    HIGGINS, BRIAN
    HILL, BARON
    HIMES, JIM
    HINCHEY, MAURICE
    HINOJOSA, RUBÉN
    HIRONO, MAZIE
    HODES, PAUL
    HOLLEN, CHRIS VAN
    HOLT JR., RUSH
    HONDA, MIKE
    HOYER, STENY
    INSLEE, JAY
    ISRAEL, STEVE
    JACKSON JR., JESSE
    JACKSON-LEE, SHEILA
    JOHNSON, EDDIE BERNICE
    JOHNSON, HANK
    KAGEN, STEVE
    KANJORSKI, PAUL
    KAPTUR, MARCY
    KENNEDY, PATRICK
    KILDEE, DALE
    KILPATRICK, CAROLYN CHEEKS
    KILROY, MARY JO
    KIND, RON
    KIRKPATRICK, ANN
    KLEIN, RON
    KOSMAS, SUZANNE
    KUCINICH, DENNIS
    LANGEVIN, JIM
    LARSEN, RICK
    LARSON, JOHN B.
    LEE, BARBARA
    LEVIN, SANDER
    LEWIS, JOHN
    LOEBSACK, DAVID
    LOFGREN, ZOE
    LOWEY, NITA
    LUJÁN, BEN R.
    MAFFEI, DAN
    MALONEY, CAROLYN
    MARKEY, BETSY
    MARKEY, ED
    MATSUI, DORIS
    MCCARTHY, CAROLYN
    MCCOLLUM, BETTY
    MCDERMOTT, JIM
    MCGOVERN, JIM
    MCNERNEY, JERRY
    MEEK, KENDRICK
    MEEKS, GREGORY
    MICHAUD, MIKE
    MILLER, BRAD
    MILLER, GEORGE
    MITCHELL, HARRY
    MOLLOHAN, ALAN
    MOORE, DENNIS
    MOORE, GWEN
    MORAN, JIM
    MURPHY, CHRIS
    MURPHY, PATRICK
    MURPHY, SCOTT
    NADLER, JERROLD
    NAPOLITANO, GRACE
    NEAL, RICHARD
    OBERSTAR, JIM
    OBEY, DAVE
    OLVER, JOHN
    ORTIZ, SOLOMON
    OWENS, BILL
    PALLONE, FRANK
    PASCRELL, BILL
    PASTOR, ED
    PAYNE, DONALD
    PELOSI, NANCY
    PERLMUTTER, ED
    PERRIELLO, TOM
    PETERS, GARY
    PINGREE, CHELLIE
    POLIS, JARED
    POMEROY, EARL
    PRICE, DAVID
    QUIGLEY, MIKE
    RAHALL, NICK
    RANGEL, CHARLES
    REYES, SILVESTRE
    RICHARDSON, LAURA
    RODRIGUEZ, CIRO
    ROTHMAN, STEVE
    ROYBAL-ALLARD, LUCILLE
    RUPPERSBERGER, DUTCH
    RUSH, BOBBY
    RYAN, TIM
    SALAZAR, JOHN
    SANCHEZ, LINDA
    SANCHEZ, LORETTA
    SARBANES, JOHN
    SCHAKOWSKY, JAN
    SCHAUER, MARK
    SCHIFF, ADAM
    SCHRADER, KURT
    SCHWARTZ, ALLYSON
    SCOTT, DAVID
    SCOTT, ROBERT
    SERRANO, JOSÉ
    SESTAK, JOE
    SHEA-PORTER, CAROL
    SHERMAN, BRAD
    SIRES, ALBIO
    SLAUGHTER, LOUISE
    SMITH, ADAM
    SNYDER, VIC
    SPEIER, JACKIE
    SPRATT, JOHN
    STARK, PETE
    STUPAK, BART
    SUTTON, BETTY
    THOMPSON, BENNIE
    THOMPSON, MIKE
    TIERNEY, JOHN
    TITUS, DINA
    TONKO, PAUL
    TOWNS, ED
    TSONGAS, NIKI
    VELÁZQUEZ, NYDIA
    VISCLOSKY, PETE
    WALZ, TIM
    WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, DEBBIE
    WATERS, MAXINE
    WATSON, DIANE
    WATT, MEL
    WAXMAN, HENRY
    WEINER, ANTHONY
    WELCH, PETER
    WILSON, CHARLIE
    WOOLSEY, LYNN
    WU, DAVID
    YARMUTH, JOHN
     
  7. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    If Obama backs down and appeases the RCC I hope it makes you guy's happy. Matter of fact, go join up for catechism classes.

    This is not about religious freedom no matter how many times it is said. What BUSINESSES has the right to decide of which laws it will follow, or which ones it will not? We are not speaking about CHURCH.

    Using the Freedom of Religion explanation is bunk, that's like telling the local under budget Sheriff that he must provide kosher meals to his Jewish prisoners, because their rabbi says so!

    Bull! You all can cow down to the RCC and GOP political rhetoric if you want, I'm not. Just don't call it Religious Freedom, that is a lie.
     
  8. drjean

    drjean Senior Veteran Supporter

    +4,370
    United States
    Christian
    Private

    No I won't bow or give in to Mr Obama, nor his socialist followers.

    This is not "just" about separation of church and state, but about 1st Amendment rights. You see, the government also ordered the Bishops to not give out the required information (within the RCC) saying it was seditious ...and forced them to change the narrative... the Bishop Chaplains in the military. That's unconstitutional in itself.

    His attack on our Judeo-Christian foundation is continual:

    Criminalizing Intolerance: Obama Administration Moves Forward On United Nations Resolution Targeting Anti-Religious Speech « JONATHAN TURLEY

    Remember Mr Obama also removed (!) Rev Franklin Graham-- preventing him from attending -- who at the time was the Speaker for --the National Day of Prayer? He didn't like Bro Graham's words about radical Islam and again bowed to the Muslim complaints.

    The list goes on. I'm tickled that God allowed this administration's arrogance to allow them to truly put their feet in their mouths with this latest attack... and we must stand with the RCC on this as it's a reproach for all those who are not muslim.

    Mr Obama has suggested a "grace" period of one year for them to comply and compromise. HUH? :doh: He gave the church a year before they have to give in to mortal sin? How's that work? No, it's so that it will be after the election.

    We must defeat Obama and those who think like he does (Romney) (Pelosi) (Reid) ...

    Don't be blinded by what Romney truly believes and how they acted prior to running this time for President. He's been running for a long time now, and keeps changing his back story to try and win over Americans. Don't fall for it. George Soros loves Romney or Obama to further his goal of destroying the USA!


    LATE BREAKING NEWS (yeah right):
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...nounce-accommodation-on-contraceptive-policy/

    No, I'm sorry that isn't back peddling...as requiring the insurance company to pay for this just means we all pay for it instead of directly, but by increased insurance premiums!
     
  9. God's Fighter

    God's Fighter Bent

    593
    +26
    Christian
    Private
    I agree the president should let this go. You shouldn't force a religious denomination to go against their beliefs, it's unconstitutional.

    However, I understand there is an elections and the republicans are going to try and capitalize on this so they can win. But I feel they are blowing it way out of proportion (and i pretty much vote republican) and demonizing the current president a little too much. I disagree with our current president and i'd be vocal about that, but I wouldn't blow out of proportion the things he does to point of accusing him of things he hasn't done yet. I mean I watch news channels that clearly have a republican bias and they are nearly acting like cocaine addicted monkeys. It's embarrassing frankly.

    I agree it's wrong, I agree the president is wrong. I also agree his supporters are avoiding the issue and calling it something else. And I'm not making light of the constitution being infringed on. But I disapprove of the way the republicans are publicly displaying themselves on the issue. They're not handling it well and that isn't smart with an upcoming election we need to win.
     
  10. WinBySurrender

    WinBySurrender Well-Known Member

    +144
    Baptist
    Single
    US-Republican
    What your are calling "businesses" are not actually businesses. They are not-for-profit service organizations that supply much needed help for the poor, homeless and addicted. In my line of work, Catholic Charities and the Missouri Baptist Convention are just about the only such organizations to whom we can turn to find jobs, housing, transportation, health care and other services for ex-felons. If that goes away, half my caseload will be back in prison for technical violations of their parole. That's what Obama is creating, whether he knows it or not. Tulsa Catholic Charities has already chosen to forego government funding, but as a result are cutting back services.

    Catholic Charities forgoes government funding, stays true to values | Tulsa World

    In that article, you will find that Catholic Charities in other states have already shut down services such as adoption assistance and medical aid do to government regulation regarding their ability to operate as a Christian organization.

    In the long run, I believe churches do a much better, much more efficient job of providing services that are currently under the purview of entitlement programs. But until every church in America is ready to adopt two families as need arises -- a plan I've long endorsed and encouraged -- only a handful of churches and charities are actually providing the spectrum of programs required to meet a community's needs. Catholic Charities is one of them. If they have to withdraw from charitable activity in order to preserve their ability to uphold their doctrine, the calamity that results will be devastating to communities and the nation.
    Actually, that's federal law. Accomodations must be made in jails and prisons for kosher and halil (Muslim) meals for the inmates. It's not absurd, it's right and proper.
    Your political views are getting in the way of your ability to see things in their proper light, Lane.
     
  11. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    no, it's not my political views getting in the way, it my citizenship. As a citizen I expect all businesses, profit or non-profit, to abide by the law.

    Your link speaks about government contracts, often as much as 80 percent, that is not separation of church and state, that's a conjoined partnership. And when these organizations are required to pay up, they scream Religious Freedom exemptions.

    Meal Accommodations, maybe in Federal prison, but don't believe for a county jail.
     
  12. WinBySurrender

    WinBySurrender Well-Known Member

    +144
    Baptist
    Single
    US-Republican
    Lane, the First Amendment is the law.
    For over 150 years, dating back to Lincoln, Congress and the presidents have respected the unique aspects of Christian charities doing work that is funded by state or federal funds. The Salvation Army, for example, has run addiction treatment centers since 1908, and states and the feds have been more than willing to help fund their activities with little to no restrictions on the way they operate. They were simply happy they had a success rate nearly twice as high as secular treatment facilities. About the only thing they've required of the Army is that if a client says he doesn't want to hear about Jesus, they honor that request, and that hasn't been a problem for anyone.

    Obama's EO ignores not only tradition, which is a poor basis for determining policy I agree, but it ignores the First Amendment, and while I respect you for your well-reasoned views most of the time, I must express the opinion that denying that is not the issue here misses the point. It appears, also, that someone in the administration has agreed with that POV, as the new thread I started here on this segment of the Forum indicates.
    Yes, for the county jail. It is because of a Supreme Court decision. State prisons, too. Remember what line of work I'm in? Remember where I've been? Too true.
     
  13. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    The First Amendment is a amendment to the constitution, this law in somewhere in HHS. And as of yet, the Supreme Court hasn't ruled it being unconstitutional.

    And again today, I can't stand to listen to Christian Radio do to all the chatter of liberal this and that, unconstitutional, freedom of religion jargon. I tell you what! take the government if you want it, but at least give me some good Christian Radio.
     
  14. WinBySurrender

    WinBySurrender Well-Known Member

    +144
    Baptist
    Single
    US-Republican
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
    The phrase " ... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..." has always been broadly interpreted -- and properly so -- by the courts at all levels as regards the right of religious organizations, charities, churches to exempt themselves from public policy that does not agree with the doctrines of those entities. There is no way Obama's EO is constitutionally correct, and if he hadn't already announced he was stepping back from that order, he would lose in court. But as I said earlier, it's a moot point.
    88.5 KLJC - Listen Online
     
  15. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    ok, I like 88.5,
     
  16. Yarddog

    Yarddog Senior Contributor Supporter

    +2,036
    Catholic
    Married
    As the site shows. 98% is not correct.
    Would you ask Jesus to do the same? Did Jesus bow to the thinking of what we call the 1st century? Did Paul bow to the thinking of the pagan religions?

    No, the Catholic Church should remain the Catholic Church and hold to the Doctrines which the Holy Spirit has revealed for it to hold to.

    The concern of the Catholic Church is the sheep which God has given them to tend to. To turn away from those sheep and leave them to the wolves, is unthinkable. Even those sheep which wonder off, the Catholic Church will try to find and bring back as the Good Shepherd has called for them to do.

    Why should the Church tell them a lie?
    The Catholic Church does not beat down all of those women that choose to use contraceptives. The Church is not about bringing harm to anyone. It is about helping those women and all people to understand the relationship that we have with our Creator. Our Father in heaven.

    There is and path, a Lane, Lovely, which leads to Jesus. The Catholic Church wants the sheep to stay on the path but realizes that we can and will stray from time to time. The way to that path is not blocked because of this, but the Church cannot change what has been revealed and those of the present time cannot see.

    The Church does not turn away from women who choose to use contraceptives. It does not hound women who approach the altar that they reveal their choices. The Church stands there with their arms open for all who want to know the love of Christ, regardless of what the sheep choose to do.

    God Bless,
    YD
     
  17. woodpecker

    woodpecker Senior Member

    +79
    Non-Denom
    Married
    US-Others
    I am not Catholic, I am a Christian who can see with the eyes of the Spirit the gnarly hands of the government creeping into all aspects of my life and religion.

    that is how evil works, it is sneaky, it tries to look good, saying 'oh this poor women can't get birth control from the religious organization she works for, she cheated so unfairly, evil Christians'....condoms are sooo expensive, (sarcasm)

    now Obama is dictating to insurance companies that they must provide contraception insurance, so now all our insurance cost go up.

    This is how communism begins, the evil disguised as "for the people", lie, and deceive, it is how Hitler did it, Stalin did it, think of any evil dictator, they always claimed it was for the 'good' of the people.

    This country is headed in a very bad direction, because so many are blind to the intentions of the elite, the career politicians, the UN, the big banks, the federal reserve,.........enough said, I am so upset, may God have mercy.
     
  18. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    YardDog, I expect you to be 100% plus behind the Church. That is no surprise, but to force your belief on others is contrary to what you state. I think that there are employees of Catholic organizations who would like to have there insurance provide for contraception, not all employees are Catholic and if they were, many Catholic women use contraception. It is the Church telling them NO, not because it is unsafe, but because your Doctrine says so.
     
  19. Yarddog

    Yarddog Senior Contributor Supporter

    +2,036
    Catholic
    Married
    Being behind the Church on what the Church does does not mean that I follow that. No Catholic does, because we all sin.

    The Catholic Church does not force anyone to do anything. People make the choice of what they do, the Church does not decide for them. God does not decide for us either. He allows us to obey or to make mistakes. When we obey, he pats us on the back, when he fall, he picks us up and pats us on the bottom and tells us to try again.

    I would like my insurance to pay for everything. No co-pay, no deductible, no life time limits, but every insurance company puts limits on what they will cover. Obama is not going to stop that.

    What is going on here is the government telling a religious institutute that they may have to provide coverage for their employees which that institute teaches is a sin. It doesn't matter how many Catholic women use contraceptives, it is telling a Church that they must support sin. Fundamentally there is very little difference between this and killing another person, "if" we look to scripture and how James tells us that if you violate one command you are guilty of violating them all.


    James 2:10
    For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point], he is become guilty of all.

    No, because it is sin. You may not agree with that but that is what the Church has taught. Do you want anyone telling your Church that they must change what they believe? Do you want someone telling you that you must not teach that Jesus is the Son of God? That may sound drastic but that is very little different when someone wants a Church to violate their doctrine of faith.

    The Catholic Church is not against women any more than Paul was against the men and women of the Churches which he helped to found. He told them that they needed to stop doing what they had thought was perfectly natural, because that may not be what belongs in the nature of God's children.
     
  20. Lovely Lane

    Lovely Lane Guest

    +0
    ok yarddog, sounds great to me. Just wait for the day class action law suits begin.
     
Loading...