Karen Handel, the winner of Georgia's special congressional election, is a pro-life Catholic

[Michie]

A big win for the pro-life side.

Continued below.
Catholic, Pro-Life Victory in Georgia: Handel Wins House Seat - All Roads Lead to Rome

 

[St_Worm2]

 

[Covfefe]

She supports POTUS, so...

 

[Erose]

I thought she was some evil vixen from the pits of hell...or that is that the Democrats claimed.

 

[Rhamiel]

God bless her
I hope she can work to end abortion

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I thought she was some evil vixen from the pits of hell...or that is that the Democrats claimed.

I don't remember that ad, do you have a link? There was the pro Handel ad that demonized her opponent to the recent shooting of the Republican senator and other....it was indeed a nasty election.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

She might be anti-abortion but anyone who says she's does not support a living wage can hardly be called "pro-life" by the standard of the Catholic Church.

 

[hsilgne]

"a living wage"

As in a Venezuelan or Cuban living wage?

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

"a living wage"

As in a Venezuelan or Cuban living wage?

A living wage for American workers, what exactly has Cuba and Venezuela got to do with this ?

 

[hsilgne]

Venezuela and Cuba are prime examples of what happens when there is government over reach and the free market is stifled by regulation.

Seriously... how many times does a countries economy have to collapse into complete poverty before socialists get it?

It's not the job of the government to decide what a private business pays it's employees.

 

[parousia70]

It's not the job of the government to decide what a private business pays it's employees.

It's the cost Private Business pays to offset what would otherwise be freeloading off the commons.

 

[MoonlessNight]

A living wage for American workers, what exactly has Cuba and Venezuela got to do with this ?

The Church is global and cares for the concerns of more than just Americans.

Personally I think that it's shameful to suggest that the Church should not consider the needs of Cubans or Venezuelans when discussing a living wage.

 

[MoonlessNight]

It's the cost Private Business pays to offset what would otherwise be freeloading off the commons.

The system doesn't work though when a business can just reduce its employees (which is especially feasible in many areas due to automation) and reduce their hours, neither of which helps solve the problem of "freeloaders."

For a minimum wage, especially a high one, to do what it claimed it would be necessary to mandate that businesses hire a certain number of employees (probably determined by their government appointed "size") in addition to paying their employees the minimum wage. I expect this to be the direction for things to go once "the fight for fifteen" starts to fizzle (starting with mandates in certain industries only, such as fast food).

 

[parousia70]

The system doesn't work though when a business can just reduce its employees (which is especially feasible in many areas due to automation) and reduce their hours, neither of which helps solve the problem of "freeloaders."

I understand Business would prefer there be no employment laws whatsoever... no safety laws, no wage laws, no laws against Child labor... all of those laws impact profit, which is the ONLY reason Businesses exist... in fact, if businesses DON'T turn a profit, they can no longer legally be IN business as a for profit corporation.
It is ALWAYS going to be in the interest of Business to reduce costs... Laws against Child Labor for example, necessarily impact a business' ability to turn a profit.
Are you advocating we get rid of Child Labor Laws?

For a minimum wage, especially a high one, to do what it claimed it would be necessary to mandate that businesses hire a certain number of employees (probably determined by their government appointed "size") in addition to paying their employees the minimum wage.

Could you unpack that a bit for me?

I expect this to be the direction for things to go once "the fight for fifteen" starts to fizzle (starting with mandates in certain industries only, such as fast food).

So you think we should just leave it all to the Business' to decide then?... Hiring 6 year olds to work 50-60 hour weeks for $1/hour with no mandatory breaks should be perfectly legal in your estimation?

 

[MoonlessNight]

I understand Business would prefer there be no employment laws whatsoever... no safety laws, no wage laws, no laws against Child labor... all of those laws impact profit, which is the ONLY reason Businesses exist... in fact, if businesses DON'T turn a profit, they can no longer legally be IN business as a for profit corporation.
It is ALWAYS going to be in the interest of Business to reduce costs... Laws against Child Labor for example, necessarily impact a business' ability to turn a profit.
Are you advocating we get rid of Child Labor Laws?

Where did you possibly get that idea? I'm talking about whether wage laws will be effective in increasing the income of people generally.

Could you unpack that a bit for me?

Getting more money per hour is worthless if your hours are reduced enough or if you lose your job. If we want the result of high minimum wage to be that everyone gets a good income, we also need to ensure that they are employed. And if our intention is to have businesses do that (since after all they are the ones that must pay the minimum wage) then it's not a stretch to simply mandate them to hire more people.

So you think we should just leave it all to the Business' to decide then?... Hiring 6 year olds to work 50-60 hour weeks for $1/hour should be perfectly legal in your estimation?

Do you want to have a conversation or do you want to engage in hyperbole? Because if it's the latter, might I ask you whether you support a $100 an hour wage? You want a "living" wage, don't you?

 

[parousia70]

Do you want to have a conversation or do you want to engage in hyperbole? Because if it's the latter, might I ask you whether you support a $100 an hour wage? You want a "living" wage, don't you?

I support a universal basic income (UBI)

Do you seriously doubt that Businesses would hire 6 year olds to work 60 hour weeks @ $1/hour if it were legal to do so?
Of course they would.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I support a universal basic income (UBI)

Then why are you talking about minimum wage? It's unnecessary with a UBI.

 

[parousia70]

Then why are you talking about minimum wage? It's unnecessary with a UBI.

Baby Steps

 

[MoonlessNight]

Baby Steps

I don't see how it's even a step in that direction. As I noted, with UBI there would be no minimum wage, much less a high one, so it's not like we are getting the minimum wage in the right place. And in terms of benefiting the poor, again it doesn't help out if people don't maintain the same number of hours and keep their jobs.

I guess maybe it establishes a standard that everyone "deserves" $600 a week, and then when it becomes clear that businesses can't possibly pay this themselves the government can step in and save the day. But this relies on causing a great deal of damage in the interim, and I don't believe that we should actively seek harm, regardless of what goals we seek.

 

[parousia70]

I don't see how it's even a step in that direction. As I noted, with UBI there would be no minimum wage, much less a high one

Correct, and no social security, or medicare either.

I guess maybe it establishes a standard that everyone "deserves" $600 a week, and then when it becomes clear that businesses can't possibly pay this themselves the government can step in and save the day. But this relies on causing a great deal of damage in the interim, and I don't believe that we should actively seek harm, regardless of what goals we seek.

Well its pick your poison I guess then, eh?

Because the alternative end result of eliminating the minimum wage is 6 years olds working 60 hrs a week for $1/hour which also "relies on causing a great deal of damage" does it not?