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Kanye West's long-awaited 'Jesus Is King' debuts at No. 1, tying Eminem's record

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Johnboy53, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Johnboy53

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  2. Heavenhome

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    Interesting to see the fruits to come.....or not.
     
  3. Aussie Pete

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    Pray for him. I doubt there is a tougher place to be a Christian, at least in the West, than the entertainment industry. It is littered with failed and compromised Christians. Satan loves to bring them down, precisely because they are high profile.
     
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  4. mala

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    yep pray for the celebrity... instead of people who are actually suffering. seems typical of western christianity.
     
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  5. SummerMadness

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    I'm surprised people are buying into the idea that this album somehow helps bring people closer to God as opposed to putting more money in Kanye West's pockets. This is a mixtape with Jesus repeated over tracks.
     
  6. brinny

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    i agree.

    Praying.
     
  7. Aussie Pete

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    That is not the point. I'm concerned for the glory of God and the soul of a sinner who apparently has come to know Christ as saviour. God loves rich and poor equally. He even loves Muslims who are happy to persecute Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims. People who "have everything", in reality have nothing, unless they have Jesus. That's why so many entertainers suicide when they seem to be at the top. They get there and realise that it's a false dream that they've followed.

    When Muslims quit murdering non-Muslims, imprisoning them for trivialities, when Dhimmi laws are repealed and it is OK for Muslims to change religion, when Taqiyya ceases to be a pasrt of Islam, I'll have a little respect for Islam. A Muslim in Australia has received death threats because, as a Muslim, they want to change attitudes towards dogs. And it is not the non-Muslims making those threats. Because someone likes dogs?
     
  8. rambot

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    Can't speak for everyone but literally every single prayer I give to the loving Father calls for help for the poor and those in need.

    But hey, if evangelicals are willing to show complete abandon of discernment in accepting trumps statement of faith as real, I can give Kanye the benefit of the doubt. Lets see his fruits, I say
     
  9. Stanfordella

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    Agreed.....

    I'm copying and pasting posts I wrote in another thread about Kanye West that are aligned with what you wrote.

    I haven't invested extensive thought into Kanye West or Kim Kardashian beyond my own glimpse when they came to my hometown church for Easter services last year, though I have listened to his newest album. The paparazzi arrived to set up well before they actually arrived, making it obvious that it was an orchestrated event. It's not uncommon for celebrities to come to our church, and for advance notice to be given ---- to the church itself. There's a security staff, plus CHP is there to direct traffic, and they have a protocol in place for ushering in famous people discreetly so they are able to worship with privacy and peace, and not generate chaos for everyone else there for church. But staff had not been notified about Kanye and Kim coming for that service. They found out due to the paparazzi.

    When photos were released people were critical of the paparazzi, viewing it as intrusive that they had followed the family to church, but the opposite was the case. They did not follow the family, they were directed as to where the family would be, and even where they'd park. I felt like they used one of the most sacred worship services of the year for us as a photo op for them.

    Similarly, in Kanye's new album I feel like he's hawking faith in it. That it is exploitative, a commodification of the splendor and resonance of spiritual music. It has some of the beauty of it clashing jarringly with the narcissism of Kanye's lyrics. The songs on it are strikingly different, much more shallow, self-absorbed, and kitschy, from the ones about Jesus I listened to when I was tiny. My kindergarten Sunday school class danced along to Jesus Walks. We loved it, we bopped around to it all the time, even if we didn't understand many of the lyrics then; the refrain of it resonated with us. Kanye circa the mid-2000s was a reasonable role model, but I wouldn't play his current music to my little sisters. Listening to that album brought me sadness instead of fortifying my faith in any way. Even if I didn't know about Kanye's public meltdowns I would suspect bipolar was a factor in his newest album due to the self-grandiosity of it. I feel it was an album made for followers of Kanye more than one made for followers of Christ. It's also a lyrical disaster. It's not much of an album or very Christian, despite being marketed as a Christian album.

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    The OP of the other thread responded discussing the enormously inappropriate lyrics of the Jesus Walks and how Kanye's songs should not be played for children. The dude is totally right! I had never, in all this time, actually listened to the original version of that song much less read the lyrics for it. I was stunned and horrified!

    This was my response:
    I actually never listened to the explicit version of Jesus Walks until I read your post and played it on Spotify while reading the lyrics. My face is currently like o_O o_O o_O - just stupefied. You're totally right. Whoa. As a little kid I innocently bopped along to the "clean" version scrubbed of profanity, and was absolutely oblivious to the meaning. It has the cadence of a marching band so it was a lot of fun to dance to, and only the seemingly Christian aspects of it caught my attention back then.

    I listened to his newest album out of curiosity about it, but have no desire to hear it or any of his other music again.
     
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  10. rambot

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    I mean ultimately since this is kinda Kanye's mo, I wouldn't be at all surprised if itd all show but I'm still gonna give Hima achance

    Edit; I just read the song though. I think there's something lost in the kerchief dropping, chest touching, gasps. No, you wouldn't play that song for children. But would you play it for a thug, or for a street kid? Likely yeah. No good reason not to use their vernacular when trying to connect God's message to them. I wouldnt play "nearer my God to thee" for a thug for the same reason.
     
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  11. Tinker Grey

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    I should think a god worthy of the title can handle that for itself.
     
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  12. mala

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    i find that it all stems from the ideas of the prosperity gospel. it's a pretty sick and twisted set of ideals. the rich are good and godly and the poor are evil and undeserving.
     
  13. mala

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    yep there is always this idiotic gem of a bigoted argument. as a muslim i am not allowed to point out hypocrisy of others since apparently i lie all the time and kill people. blah blah blah.
    also your views on mental health are extremely naive.
     
  14. LaBèlla

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    Greetings,

    If Kanye was an average Joe on CF people would be praying for him. There’s a litany of confessions for everything under the sun. The majority are filled with reminders of Christ's sacrifice. Some of the posters are unsaved, backslidden, unrepentant, living in sin, etc. But they’re supported! He’s scrutinized because of his wealth.

    ~Bella
     
  15. mala

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    more like for his past behavior.
     
  16. rambot

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    No. More because of his media persona I think
     
  17. Aussie Pete

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    You are welcome to point out hypocrisy. You won't get an argument from me. My views on mental health are as a born again Christian and are based on reality and long experience. I do not accuse you of personally of lying and killing. I know enough about Islam to stand by every word I said. Oh, and if you are Ahmadiyya, I do not consider you a true Muslim. Neither do any mainstream Muslims such as Shia and Sunni.
     
  18. Aussie Pete

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    Tax collectors in Jesus day were considered the lowest form of life. Jesus chose one to be His disciple. He sought out Zacchaeus, who repented and offered restitution for his behaviour. I don't know Kayne West from Adam, but he confesses Christ. That makes him my brother. Whatever he was is no longer relevant.
     
  19. Aussie Pete

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    God does not need to be glorified but humanity needs to see His glory. When Christians, especially high profile people, fail, it gives ammunition to the doubters and sceptics. Few people give credit for those entertainers who maintain their Christian witness. There are plenty of critics who like to see the famous fail.
     
  20. LaBèlla

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    I spend enough time in Christian Advice to know he’s hardly alone in his faults.

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