Kansas votes 62% to retain the right to access an abortion in its constitution.

[Belk]

EXACTLY! A baby left on its own would die. It depends on their parents or guardians to take care of it.

These excuses for abortion are no excuses at all.

It is not an "excuse" for abortion. Those are not allowed on this site.

 

[rjs330]

No compromises from me.

From the moment of conception, it’s already too late.

I refuse to appease the pro choice crowd.

I sincerely understand this position. And there are states who hold this position. I'm all for it. However I am thinking of places that don't and are more likely not going to. So what do we do with those places?

I'd like to find a way to work on those states and get them to at least slow down. If we can't save them all, let's save some. Once we get to the point of at least having a law then we can work on convincing more people to lower it further.

An all or nothing approach won't save any babies in some places.

 

[RileyG]

I sincerely understand this position. And there are states who hold this position. I'm all for it. However I am thinking of places that don't and are more likely not going to. So what do we do with those places?

I'd like to find a way to work on those states and get them to at least slow down. If we can't save them all, let's save some. Once we get to the point of at least having a law then we can work on convincing more people to lower it further.

An all or nothing approach won't save any babies in some places.

I agree with you. Quite honestly, I'm not sure what to do.

 

[RileyG]

It is not an "excuse" for abortion. Those are not allowed on this site.

There are plenty of people who support abortion on this site.

What do you mean?

 

[Belk]

There are plenty of people who support abortion on this site.

What do you mean?

I mean we are not allowed to present our reasoning on abortion since it is against the forum rules to support abortion. The ideas we are expressing are not reasons for abortion but other peripheral ideas. Hence why they are not sensible reasons for abortion.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

I sincerely understand this position. And there are states who hold this position. I'm all for it. However I am thinking of places that don't and are more likely not going to. So what do we do with those places?

I'd like to find a way to work on those states and get them to at least slow down. If we can't save them all, let's save some. Once we get to the point of at least having a law then we can work on convincing more people to lower it further.

An all or nothing approach won't save any babies in some places.

I kind of agree with you on your points. I would like to get something passed first that would slow things down with having an abortion. Unfortunately, pro-abortion supporters won't let anything happen for years if not decades. Look at what is happening when the decision was given to the states. For pro-abortion supporters, it became their call for World War III here in the US.

Back before Roe vs Wade there was no where near the 1 million abortions being performed in the US. If we are going to compromise on abortion then going back to pre Roe vs Wade is where we start and then build from there, in my eyes. Why? Because pro-abortion supporters are not being forthright in what they really want and until they are, we start at the beginning.

 

[RileyG]

I mean we are not allowed to present our reasoning on abortion since it is against the forum rules to support abortion. The ideas we are expressing are not reasons for abortion but other peripheral ideas. Hence why they are not sensible reasons for abortion.

Right. Ok. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Bradskii]

Georgia judge strikes down state’s abortion ban, allowing care to resume

Fulton county judge issues order that abortions must be regulated as they were before law took effect in 2022

www.theguardian.com

'A Georgia judge on Monday struck down the state’s six-week abortion ban, ruling that the ban is unconstitutional and blocking it from being enforced'.

 

[DaisyDay]

EXACTLY! A baby left on its own would die. It depends on their parents or guardians to take care of it.

These excuses for abortion are no excuses at all.

That’s like saying the father is non-viable because if he doesn’t eat or drink he will die. No, a non-viable fetus is one that won’t survive outside the womb no matter how much care it is given.

 

[RileyG]

That’s like saying the father is non-viable because if he doesn’t eat or drink he will die. No, a non-viable fetus is one that won’t survive outside the womb no matter how much care it is given.

What are you talking about? New borns can’t survive on their own. I wasn’t referring to non viable fetuses. Good grief.

 

[RileyG]

Georgia judge strikes down state’s abortion ban, allowing care to resume

Fulton county judge issues order that abortions must be regulated as they were before law took effect in 2022

www.theguardian.com

'A Georgia judge on Monday struck down the state’s six-week abortion ban, ruling that the ban is unconstitutional and blocking it from being enforced'.

Oh. That’s too bad.

 

[Bradskii]

Oh. That’s too bad.

I think that you'll come to realise that this is what people want.

 

[RileyG]

I think that you'll come to realise that this is what people want.

So? If people wanted slavery for African Americans, would that be ok?

No.

Edit: if people wanted African Americans to be slaves, would that be ok?

Wrong is still wrong, it doesn’t even matter how many people believe it.

Period.

 

[Bradskii]

So? If people wanted slavery for African Americans, would that be ok?

But I didn't say that the majority of people want it therefore it's right. That would be a dumb argument, I'll agree. I personally think it's OK but the point that I am making is that you'll never get a majority of people thinking as you do. So, in that case, if pushing for something that you know you'll never get is a waste of time, then you need a Plan B.

I have one. It's 'Reduce the number of abortions by any other means'.

 

[DaisyDay]

What are you talking about? New borns can’t survive on their own.

Newborns can and do survive outside the womb, same as other people.

I wasn’t referring to non viable fetuses. Good grief.

And yet in Georgia women are forced to carry non-viable fetuses to term, despite the risks. Non-viable fetuses (feti?) can't survive period.

 

[RileyG]

Newborns can and do survive outside the womb, same as other people.

And yet in Georgia women are forced to carry non-viable fetuses to term, despite the risks. Non-viable fetuses (feti?) can't survive period.

They can’t survive on their own. They need someone to take care of them. Otherwise they would die. Period. Your argument is invalid.

I’m aware non viable fetuses can’t survive.

 

[RileyG]

But I didn't say that the majority of people want it therefore it's right. That would be a dumb argument, I'll agree. I personally think it's OK but the point that I am making is that you'll never get a majority of people thinking as you do. So, in that case, if pushing for something that you know you'll never get is a waste of time, then you need a Plan B.

I have one. It's 'Reduce the number of abortions by any other means'.

Ok. I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. Once someone’s mind is made up, there’s nothing I can do.

 

[Desk trauma]

They can’t survive on their own.

Neither can you.

 

[DaisyDay]

They can’t survive on their own.

So? They can survive without the resources - blood, bone, nutrition - of someone else's body.

They need someone to take care of them. Otherwise they would die. Period. Your argument is invalid.

My argument is that they need the actual body of another person to survive, should they be viable, not mere assistance.

I’m aware non viable fetuses can’t survive.

Are you also aware that women are forced to carry them to term or death, whichever comes first, provided the women are not yet at death's door even though they may linger on death's sidewalk? Even women who are actively miscarrying have been made to wait until they were near death or worse.

A Review of Exceptions in State Abortion Bans: Implications for the Provision of Abortion Services | KFF

This issue brief examines the varying exceptions (for life, health, rape/incest, and fatal fetal anomalies) in state abortion bans and restrictions and the complications that arise when pregnant people attempt to access abortion care under these exceptions.

www.kff.org

 

[Tropical Wilds]

They can’t survive on their own. They need someone to take care of them. Otherwise they would die. Period. Your argument is invalid.

I’m aware non viable fetuses can’t survive.

Biologically, a baby sustain all of their own primary bodily functions. Their heart beats. Their brain is active. Their digestion is engaged. They are breathing their own air through their own self-supported lungs and airway. Their care can be transferred to another person without them experiencing physiological death. They are biologically, 100% independent. Somebody, anybody, needs to provide basic care, but the “who” isn’t really important as anybody can.

That is not so for a fetus pre-viability or those that are post viability but not developing/experiencing complications. If the person who’s pregnant isn’t there, making all of things work through their shared physiology, then the pregnancy will end. It does not exist without another person.