Kansas to criminalize sex education...

[JustOneWay]

Who grow into adults.



How many are driving each day?

How many are having unprotected sex each day?

Accidents are a tiny risk in driving.

Pregnancy is the natural consequence of unprotected sex.

Accidents are the natural consequence of driving.

 

[Inkfingers]

Accidents are the natural consequence of driving.

Maybe if you are driving the are....

Meanwhile, for the rest of us, they are a very rare occurance....unlike becoming pregnant through unprotected sex.

The staggering level of denial here is as as the "transsexual" threads

 

[JustOneWay]

Maybe if you are driving the are....

Meanwhile, for the rest of us, they are a very rare occurance....unlike becoming pregnant through unprotected sex.

The staggering level of denial here is as as the "transsexual" threads

I have never become pregnant because of unprotected sex. I have been in car accidents.

The denial....

 

[Inkfingers]

I have never become pregnant because of unprotected sex.

Seeing as you are male that is hardly earthshaking news.

 

[Desk trauma]

Meanwhile, for the rest of us, they are a very rare occurance....unlike becoming pregnant through unprotected sex.

If I recall correctly you have more than once called for the state to prevent people from having any other kind of sex.

 

[Inkfingers]

If I recall correctly you have more than once called for the state to prevent people from having any other kind of sex.

You are very much mistaken. I said specifically that the State should not police what happens in bedrooms.

If you want to quote me, quote me with a link. But don't just insinuate.

 

[Desk trauma]

You are very much mistaken. I said specifically that the State should not police what happens in bedrooms.

You don't want the state to police the bed room yet you want it to police contraception to the point where even its mention outside of "DONT DO DAT!" would result in criminal sanction per your thread over in E&M forum. Making contraception a crime leaves very free options for safer sex.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Who grow into adults.

...at which point, it's no longer the school's job to educate them.

How many are driving each day?

...210 million licensed drivers in the US.

How many are having unprotected sex each day?

...no way of knowing unless you were to survey every single person in the country about the frequency of relations as it pertains to them.

Accidents are a tiny risk in driving.

By car insurance industry estimates, you will file a claim for a collision about once every 17.9 years. That's if you're an average driver, which, whether you're willing to admit it or not, you likely are.

So if you got your license at age 16, the odds are quite good that you'll experience some kind of crash by the time you're 34, at the latest. Over the course of a typical long, driving lifetime, you should have a total of three to four accidents.

Something that happens to people (on average) 3 to 4 times in their lifetime isn't that 'rare' or 'tiny'.

Does the average person have 3 to 4 unplanned pregnancies in their lifetime?

Pregnancy is the natural consequence of unprotected sex.

Nobody is disputing that...what's being disputed is the notion that "sex for procreation only" and "abstinence only" is somehow the cure-all for the issues of unplanned pregnancy among our nation's youth. Another poster asked you if you would be in favor of an "abstinence only driving" approach for the youth...you declined on the grounds that car accidents are rare and unplanned pregnancies are frequent. ...a claim that has been shot down by the facts and data. You're simply trying to take that approach to give yourself some sort statistical backup for your position to make it seem reasonable, unfortunately, no stats exist that support the claim you've made...meaning that the abstinence-only approach you take on sex is less about protecting people from risks based on statistical analysis, and more about trying to convince others to conform to your moral preferences.

 

[Inkfingers]

By car insurance industry estimates, you will file a claim for a collision about once every 17.9 years. That's if you're an average driver, which, whether you're willing to admit it or not, you likely are.

So if you got your license at age 16, the odds are quite good that you'll experience some kind of crash by the time you're 34, at the latest. Over the course of a typical long, driving lifetime, you should have a total of three to four accidents.

So a typical driver, driving every week day, can expect to have an accident about once in 18 years.

If a woman has unprotected sex everyday, for 18 years, the chances are she'd have 18 children (and indeed would probably have several thousand if it were not limited by gestation periods).

Hence, accidents are a rare occurance in driving.

They are par for the course in unprotected sex.

That this is not self-evident to so many is truly bizarre.

 

[JustOneWay]

Seeing as you are male that is hardly earthshaking news.

That eliminates half of the population from getting pregnant....

yet most of both genders drive and get into accidents....

 

[Supreme]

...at which point, it's no longer the school's job to educate them.



...210 million licensed drivers in the US.



...no way of knowing unless you were to survey every single person in the country about the frequency of relations as it pertains to them.



By car insurance industry estimates, you will file a claim for a collision about once every 17.9 years. That's if you're an average driver, which, whether you're willing to admit it or not, you likely are.

So if you got your license at age 16, the odds are quite good that you'll experience some kind of crash by the time you're 34, at the latest. Over the course of a typical long, driving lifetime, you should have a total of three to four accidents.

Something that happens to people (on average) 3 to 4 times in their lifetime isn't that 'rare' or 'tiny'.

Does the average person have 3 to 4 unplanned pregnancies in their lifetime?



Nobody is disputing that...what's being disputed is the notion that "sex for procreation only" and "abstinence only" is somehow the cure-all for the issues of unplanned pregnancy among our nation's youth. Another poster asked you if you would be in favor of an "abstinence only driving" approach for the youth...you declined on the grounds that car accidents are rare and unplanned pregnancies are frequent. ...a claim that has been shot down by the facts and data. You're simply trying to take that approach to give yourself some sort statistical backup for your position to make it seem reasonable, unfortunately, no stats exist that support the claim you've made...meaning that the abstinence-only approach you take on sex is less about protecting people from risks based on statistical analysis, and more about trying to convince others to conform to your moral preferences.

I remember reading a fact that humans and dolphins are the only two species on Earth who have sex for reasons other than procreation. Always thought the idea of dolphins having sex for non-procreation reasons quite funny, and cute.

 

[Belk]

I remember reading a fact that humans and dolphins are the only two species on Earth who have sex for reasons other than procreation. Always thought the idea of dolphins having sex for non-procreation reasons quite funny, and cute.

One wonders how researchers determined the reasoning behind other species behavior.

 

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[Glass*Soul]

Children and teens do not lack information about sex. They lack context and discernment. It is the latter that we withhold from them if we do not educate them on the subject.

That education needs to include dealing with all of the information that they have, whether true or false, harmful or helpful, if it is going to equip them to make mature decisions.

Parents, teachers, religious leaders and medical professionals may all be in a position to offer some of this education, but few individuals will be in a position to offer the full gamut of education that an individual child or teen needs.

 

[Desk trauma]

Truth ... [snip]

How was any of that in any way relevant to this discussion?

 

[TLK Valentine]

How was any of that in any way relevant to this discussion?

It wasn't. Moving on...

 

[TLK Valentine]

I have never become pregnant because of unprotected sex.

Nor have I -- and not just because I'm male...

I've never caused anyone to become pregnant because of unprotected sex, because I've never had unprotected sex.

I've never had unprotected sex because I was educated and knew what to do and why it should be done.

That's called "education."

I have been in car accidents.

As have I -- Again, I was educated and knew what to do and why it should be done, and yet, I was in a car accident.

Clearly, comprehensive Driver's Ed. isn't working -- let's switch to abstinence-only.

The denial....

It's as if they'd prefer to see their children mangled in twisted car wrecks rather than have s-e-x...

 

[TLK Valentine]

You don't want the state to police the bed room yet you want it to police contraception to the point where even its mention outside of "DONT DO DAT!" would result in criminal sanction per your thread over in E&M forum. Making contraception a crime leaves very free options for safer sex.

Contraception used to be a crime -- then along came Griswold v. Connecticut, and freedom won out...

 

[Desk trauma]

Contraception used to be a crime -- then along came Griswold v. Connecticut, and freedom won out...

Details, details...

 

[JustOneWay]

Clearly, comprehensive Driver's Ed. isn't working -- let's switch to abstinence-only.

Great answer....