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Discussion in 'American Politics' started by tall73, Dec 3, 2019 at 4:15 PM.

  1. tall73

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    I think being a career prosecutor was a challenge to sell in this election cycle, even if now she was championing criminal justice reform. Once this was brought to the forefront for people at the debate she never recovered.
     
  3. GoldenBoy89

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    Sad. She’s one of the few I felt had shown the stones to go toe to toe with Trump in the debates.
     
  4. tall73

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    That is one area where her experience as a prosecutor would be a help. But she still could run in the future if things pan out.
     
  5. SummerMadness

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    At the end of the day, campaigns are about money. When you run out of money, your campaign is over.
     
  6. tall73

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    Which is one reason I would be in favor of publicly funded campaigns of a short duration.
     
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  7. Halbhh

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    One of the likeable candidates. Perhaps a reasonable VP candidate. Though of course the need to get midwestern votes will be one factor, and I've no idea how she'd fare compared to other possible VP candidates. But to me, she seemed solid and likeable.
     
  8. Ana the Ist

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    I wasn't a fan...too much grandstanding about her race and gender, which shouldn't matter.
     
  9. Halbhh

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    While we wish all politicians would not grandstand for their own gender or race. Say that all would be more like Obama in that way, reluctant to go there, and when made to go there by events, to be understated about it... Well, an Obama doesn't come along often. Or maybe just comes along once.
     
  10. Ana the Ist

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    Not sure what you mean....the overwhelmingly majority of white politicians don't appeal to their whiteness. Quite honestly, it looks easy.
     
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    ....or appointed as AG.
     
  12. ThatRobGuy

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    One thing to keep in mind (and for the record, I'd find it extremely satisfying to see someone "own" Trump in a debate)...

    There's a difference between being able to "destroy someone in a debate" and actually having ideas that could be used to make workable and practical policies.

    If "destroying someone in a debate" was a qualification, then by that standard, Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris would be ideal presidential candidates.

    I think there are better options in the (D) field than Harris, and I think it's a good thing to start thinning down the primary to 3-4 top players well ahead of April 2020.
     
  13. Ana the Ist

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    Yeah I have to agree with this...

    People seem entirely too focused on a "got em!" -type viral moment that will magically make a political opponent and their support disappear. This is a pretty shallow thing to pin one's hopes on and doesn't make for great debate.

    For the record, I don't remember any point in the last debates where Trump looked good...he largely looked clueless and incompetent. The biggest viral moment that I remember was Christie basically predicting what Rubio would say...then Rubio said it lol. It's still funny, but it did nothing for him.
     
  14. mark46

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    She's likable. The country got to hear her lots of times. The voters didn't believe that she is presidential material. I don't see how a prosecutor from CA, with little support, can help the eventual nominee.

    Personally, I don't think that focusing on the coasts is of any good at all. It just doesn't matter how big a majority the Democrats build up on the West and East coasts.
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    The nominees need to focus on PA, CO and all the states in between, yes, especially the vulnerable states of PA, MI, WI and MN.

     
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    The Christie-Rubio confrontation made Christie head of the transition team, and it knocked Rubio out of the race. After the debate, Rubio lost in NV and SC, and he was gone.

     
  16. Ana the Ist

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    You can argue Rubio left the race sooner or that Christie got something out of it....but the point is Christie's campaign failed and there's no reason to believe Rubio's wasn't failing anyway.
     
  17. mark46

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    I have reason to believe Rubio's campaign was NOT failing. I live in SC and watched his support dissipate after Christie destroyed Rubio. Our very popular Indian-American governor and very popular black senator backed Rubio. This was the leadership group the came from the Republican reaction to the loss to Obama. Since then, Trump has re-made the Republican Party in his image. In addition, he doubled down on the strategy of appealing only to old white folks and to rural voters.

     
  18. essentialsaltes

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    I was a fan, but I think she tried to hard to be exactly halfway between the Warren/Sanders wing and the more moderate wing, and there just isn't a coherent 'halfway' policy that makes any sense as a plan.

    Honestly, although she was taking lumps for being a prosecutor, she should have emphasized that. A law and order Democrat. Liberal, but no bleeding heart.
     
  19. Ana the Ist

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    I don't know if you're remembering correctly but Christie left the race in early February 2016 after New Hampshire (which was just a few days after "owning" Rubio)....Rubio stayed around till the primary in Florida a month later.
     
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  20. miamited

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    Hi all,

    Well, over the next 6-7 months there will likely be a lot of this. Economically, it's a poor policy to maintain such a large base of contenders. The donors to political causes may spend all of their money on some contender that doesn't make it, and then there's nothing left for the three or four who do get to the final nominee. Not to mention what might be left for the final nominee.

    Sadly, our political system depends entirely too much on deep pocket donors, to stay afloat. We shouldn't deplete those big pocket donors before we get to the finish line.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
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