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Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by insaneinthebrain, Aug 8, 2007.

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  1. insaneinthebrain

    insaneinthebrain Noahide

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    This is a flat-out lie on all accounts. First, this happened during the 4 months in 2004 when I was off staff. Second, simchat_torah was banned at the time.

    http://www.christianforums.com/t967527-deception-within-the-mj-forum.html

    You, my friend, have so little respect for this forum that you cannot be honest about one thing that has happened in the past here. If you can do that with a clear conscience, go right ahead, but DO NOT invoke my name as one who'll defend you!
     
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  2. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    insaneinthebrain's account was Justin Husely at the time, and yes... I did tell him about the sock I created. He was fully aware.

    why he wants to change facts post-haste I can only assume because he doesn't want to incur ramifications from friends and other mods at the time.
     
  3. insaneinthebrain

    insaneinthebrain Noahide

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    Not only did I know, I outed you as dodging a ban. You can twist my intentions all you want, but I do what I do because integrity is important to me. If I must be hated for it, so be it.
     
  4. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    And yes, I did have a 2 week ban, which the sock accoun I created was not used until after the ban was lifted. As I had gone through conversion at the time, I decided to CHANGE accounts, do away with simchat_torah if you will.
    The account simchat_torah was not used until a "smart" poster here realized that the new account was in fact me. So I reverted back... I didn't want to cause anyone to stumble as I had chosen to give up MJ'ism.

    This is all documented elsewhere on CF, openy I might add.
     
  5. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    No you didn't, Henaynei did.

    In fact, you knew for weeks... and even after the thread came out that I was in fact simchat_torah, you still kept quiet. I didn't "rat" on you to the other mods because you would have gotten in quite deep trouble for having known and not told them.

    I quietly took all the heat without mentioning your name, even though I had reported to you the change (though no one needs to report changes anyway). Yet, you come back to attempt to scorn me.

    Yeah, your friendship was useless the day it started ,you always looked out for #1.
     
  6. insaneinthebrain

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    Rabbi Klein showed up during your ban, causing it to be extended. CF has no rule against sock accounts, so P4I would've had no leg to stand on banning "Rabbi Klein" if what you say is true.

    You say it's documented, post a link.
     
  7. insaneinthebrain

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    I kept it to myself, but I told P4I it was you. There is no rule against not outing a sock, so I had nothing to gain or lose in either direction.
     
  8. insaneinthebrain

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    If anyone has access to the old MJ staff team thread circa September 2004, it's all there; P4I posting the proof I sent, P_G doing the background searches on IPs and emails, and the discussion of how to handle the situation.

    Face it, you think so little of the people here that you don't care how you treat them, right down to whether or not they deserve honest answers from you. You're a liar and a deceiver, and I'm done with you.
     
  9. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    I know for a fact you didn't. I even asked her directly if anyone had mentioned who the other account belonged to in an aim conversation, she said no. I checked in other ways, ways I won't let everyone here be privvy to... but suffice it to say, you said nothing to even the mods. Even though you knew for weeks, you said nothing.

    It was Henaynei who figured it out.

    But, I don't really care. And why you do is beyond me, other than saving your own hide now post-facto.

    So, please, continue rebutting whatever you want.
     
  10. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    Whatever, goodbye.

    Your friendship was fake all along anyway. I'm at no loss. You burned Hix, myself, MD, and countless others behind our backs its not even worth pursuing your friendship. I tried for awhile, but your continuing to doublecross people all the time got so old.

    You left this forum anyway, remember?

    bye
     
  11. Sephania

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    I will vouch for everything IITB has said, I have read the reports myself . Simcha Torah was indeed posing as a Rabbi. If I remember correctly P_G found that the 'Rabbi's' account was coming from the same institution that ST worked at, a university I believe in Illinois? . He first lied to Pray4Israel telling her that Rabbi Kelin was a friend of his and worked at the same place when confronted by this. It wasn't until after this that ST admitted to Justin on an IM that he was indeed the infamous Rabbi. Justin very quickly and openly passed this info on to Pray, and she posted the IM conversation in the MJ forum staff thread, that Justin had passed on to her. If I remember correctly Justin was thoroughly discussed by this whole fiasco. ST thought he was cute doing this, and when it seemed the jig was up he laughed about it to Justin, even laughing that it took awhile to catch him.

    This had nothing to do with conversion, as I believe the ST account was also being used at the time. But that can't be proved now as the 'Rabbi Klein' account was banned and all posts disappeared.

    ST you hurt a lot of people back then and some are still around to remember. You can't be trusted and you are only here to stir up trouble.

    Justin, thank you for coming forward with this, I was wanting to, after all this was said about torah grandma ( who isn't HT Btw, but an old friend)





    Yes, Charles memory is not failing him.

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    Be careful what you say, it may come back to haunt you.
     
  12. simchat_torah

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    Not that it matters, but you couldn't be more wrong. The other account was a permanent switch for me.

    And... No, I didn't laugh about it, that's just silly.

    That too is wrong, I told Justin before I even made the account. I even asked him if I should continue posting as ST or change to the new account. His advice? Because I was converting, and many here (in Justin's words) "looked up to me", it would be best to change accounts.

    Shortly afterwords, Justin got in hot trouble with posting sensitive information on another website and changed his account to insaneninthebrain. Not that this matters, but accounts changing wasn't even an issue then. Nor is it now.
     
  13. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    The difference is, Zayit, that you quote HT as if he was a regular poster and I'm some forum troll. As if my years of prior contributions to this forum and friendships built up have no value. As if HT's constant trolling and no interest in forming friendships is of high esteem in your eyes.

    As if there's any equal between the two of us, despite what your recollection or Justin's recollection is regarding the events leading up to my formation of a second account.

    You post as if they are the same thing.
     
  14. Jim47

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    This seems to be a rather heated discussion so I am closing this thread for now and will take under advisement if it should be re-opened or not.

    MY PM box is open :)
     
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