Just a quick outline of my Christian Socialist views

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Just wanted to give a quick outline of my own political views, just to get them out there.

So I'm a Christian socialist, that is to say, I believe that a conciousness of God coupled with class conciousness would facilitate the commonownership of the means of production. I'm a post millenialist and see a reformist revolution for dismantling the current liberal paradigm with nationstates acting as economic entities and instead foster a globalized society where God's priciples rule to empower the internationale, establishing the millenium outlined in Revelation 19 & 20. I'm staunchly antiracist, post capitalist and a libertarian feminist as per Galatians 3:28. I'm also a huge environmental advocate, that we are custodians of creation (Genesis 2:15) and that reaving the planet is not pleasing to God (Revelation 11:18), which is coupled with my stance against land ownership (Psalms 24:1).I fully support corrective advocacy for oppressed peoples the special protections of such (Deuteronomy 10:18–19) and the redistribution of goods by need (Psalms 112: 1, 9).

Like aside form the critique of capitalism already offered by Marx and Engels, I also find that liberalism to be more inline with ethics of Satanists than Christians. I'm not going to quote the works of Helena Blavatsky or Anton LeVey here but Satanic literature heavily emphasizes the empowerment and exhaltation of the invididual despite or even in detriment to those around you. These list Greed as a valid motivation for one's self fulfillment, the very force that empowers market mechanisms. I also find that this libertine morality that consumerism fosters is also informed by these new philosophies and I tend not to concentrate much on lgbt+ as moral failings of the individual, they were born that way and their sin is no more or less than mine - I see them as a symptom of out decadant society and a consequence unto which we have be delivered, rather than something thatwas chosen (Romans 1:26-27)

Though I don't believe that socialist experiments have been nearly as much of a failure as portrayed (Russia and China were made from fuedal agrarian societies to industrialized superpowers in mere decades) I see a fatal flaw in Marx's analysis is that religion as an opiate could be used a means of oppression as well as a means to relieve pain. While I wish to dismantle religious as well as national and economic institutions, I'm convinced that the application of God's principles without God has let our own flawed nature corrupt the revolution and it is only in Christ that it can be maintained. I'm convinced that the one true God can rally the best of our nature, as demonstrated by Sunni Muslims being the biggest global contributors to charity (though Sunni Islam, being orthopraxy, again relied upon human actions to reach a relationship with God and has lead to attrocity due to origina sin) this can demonstrate how belief in the one true God can move our flawed selves towards his intent. Thought I am largely a pacifist, though I'm not a an American, I do see the utility of the 2nd amendment and that a people's militia is superior to a professional military that services the monopoly of violence afforded to the formation of a state. As as such the prolitariat must remain armed (Luke 22:36) in defense of the revolution.

Like again, this is just an synopsis, I could go into the function of anarcho-syndicalist economics post communism, the means of class awareness in conjuction with baptism or further theology that lead me here but this isn't a manefesto, it's just a blurb of such. In short, I see class conciousness and prolitariate revolution as a means to achieving The Millenium, where no man shall rule over man but all know the King of kings and the God of gods.
 

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John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
 
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Just wanted to give a quick outline of my own political views, just to get them out there.

So I'm a Christian socialist, that is to say, I believe that a conciousness of God coupled with class conciousness would facilitate the commonownership of the means of production. I'm a post millenialist and see a reformist revolution for dismantling the current liberal paradigm with nationstates acting as economic entities and instead foster a globalized society where God's priciples rule to empower the internationale, establishing the millenium outlined in Revelation 19 & 20. I'm staunchly antiracist, post capitalist and a libertarian feminist as per Galatians 3:28. I'm also a huge environmental advocate, that we are custodians of creation (Genesis 2:15) and that reaving the planet is not pleasing to God (Revelation 11:18), which is coupled with my stance against land ownership (Psalms 24:1).I fully support corrective advocacy for oppressed peoples the special protections of such (Deuteronomy 10:18–19) and the redistribution of goods by need (Psalms 112: 1, 9).

Like aside form the critique of capitalism already offered by Marx and Engels, I also find that liberalism to be more inline with ethics of Satanists than Christians. I'm not going to quote the works of Helena Blavatsky or Anton LeVey here but Satanic literature heavily emphasizes the empowerment and exhaltation of the invididual despite or even in detriment to those around you. These list Greed as a valid motivation for one's self fulfillment, the very force that empowers market mechanisms. I also find that this libertine morality that consumerism fosters is also informed by these new philosophies and I tend not to concentrate much on lgbt+ as moral failings of the individual, they were born that way and their sin is no more or less than mine - I see them as a symptom of out decadant society and a consequence unto which we have be delivered, rather than something thatwas chosen (Romans 1:26-27)

Though I don't believe that socialist experiments have been nearly as much of a failure as portrayed (Russia and China were made from fuedal agrarian societies to industrialized superpowers in mere decades) I see a fatal flaw in Marx's analysis is that religion as an opiate could be used a means of oppression as well as a means to relieve pain. While I wish to dismantle religious as well as national and economic institutions, I'm convinced that the application of God's principles without God has let our own flawed nature corrupt the revolution and it is only in Christ that it can be maintained. I'm convinced that the one true God can rally the best of our nature, as demonstrated by Sunni Muslims being the biggest global contributors to charity (though Sunni Islam, being orthopraxy, again relied upon human actions to reach a relationship with God and has lead to attrocity due to origina sin) this can demonstrate how belief in the one true God can move our flawed selves towards his intent. Thought I am largely a pacifist, though I'm not a an American, I do see the utility of the 2nd amendment and that a people's militia is superior to a professional military that services the monopoly of violence afforded to the formation of a state. As as such the prolitariat must remain armed (Luke 22:36) in defense of the revolution.

Like again, this is just an synopsis, I could go into the function of anarcho-syndicalist economics post communism, the means of class awareness in conjuction with baptism or further theology that lead me here but this isn't a manefesto, it's just a blurb of such. In short, I see class conciousness and prolitariate revolution as a means to achieving The Millenium, where no man shall rule over man but all know the King of kings and the God of gods.
Wow. I'm just a born again Christian who loves Jesus.
 
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John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
Precisely why I have no notion of sovereignty, patriotism or nationalism and why I'm fine with all states being dismantled :)
 
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John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”
Yes. We are still required to obey the authorities wherever we live. We are in the world but not of it. We should be the most law abiding, responsible and productive people in our society. Railing against authorities is not the answer. Praying for "kings" and all those in authority works. 1 Timothy 2:1 & 2
 
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Just wanted to give a quick outline of my own political views, just to get them out there.

So I'm a Christian socialist, that is to say, I believe that a conciousness of God coupled with class conciousness would facilitate the commonownership of the means of production. I'm a post millenialist and see a reformist revolution for dismantling the current liberal paradigm with nationstates acting as economic entities and instead foster a globalized society where God's priciples rule to empower the internationale, establishing the millenium outlined in Revelation 19 & 20. I'm staunchly antiracist, post capitalist and a libertarian feminist as per Galatians 3:28. I'm also a huge environmental advocate, that we are custodians of creation (Genesis 2:15) and that reaving the planet is not pleasing to God (Revelation 11:18), which is coupled with my stance against land ownership (Psalms 24:1).I fully support corrective advocacy for oppressed peoples the special protections of such (Deuteronomy 10:18–19) and the redistribution of goods by need (Psalms 112: 1, 9).

Like aside form the critique of capitalism already offered by Marx and Engels, I also find that liberalism to be more inline with ethics of Satanists than Christians. I'm not going to quote the works of Helena Blavatsky or Anton LeVey here but Satanic literature heavily emphasizes the empowerment and exhaltation of the invididual despite or even in detriment to those around you. These list Greed as a valid motivation for one's self fulfillment, the very force that empowers market mechanisms. I also find that this libertine morality that consumerism fosters is also informed by these new philosophies and I tend not to concentrate much on lgbt+ as moral failings of the individual, they were born that way and their sin is no more or less than mine - I see them as a symptom of out decadant society and a consequence unto which we have be delivered, rather than something thatwas chosen (Romans 1:26-27)

Though I don't believe that socialist experiments have been nearly as much of a failure as portrayed (Russia and China were made from fuedal agrarian societies to industrialized superpowers in mere decades) I see a fatal flaw in Marx's analysis is that religion as an opiate could be used a means of oppression as well as a means to relieve pain. While I wish to dismantle religious as well as national and economic institutions, I'm convinced that the application of God's principles without God has let our own flawed nature corrupt the revolution and it is only in Christ that it can be maintained. I'm convinced that the one true God can rally the best of our nature, as demonstrated by Sunni Muslims being the biggest global contributors to charity (though Sunni Islam, being orthopraxy, again relied upon human actions to reach a relationship with God and has lead to attrocity due to origina sin) this can demonstrate how belief in the one true God can move our flawed selves towards his intent. Thought I am largely a pacifist, though I'm not a an American, I do see the utility of the 2nd amendment and that a people's militia is superior to a professional military that services the monopoly of violence afforded to the formation of a state. As as such the prolitariat must remain armed (Luke 22:36) in defense of the revolution.

Like again, this is just an synopsis, I could go into the function of anarcho-syndicalist economics post communism, the means of class awareness in conjuction with baptism or further theology that lead me here but this isn't a manefesto, it's just a blurb of such. In short, I see class conciousness and prolitariate revolution as a means to achieving The Millenium, where no man shall rule over man but all know the King of kings and the God of gods.
God's order is for society to be governed. Rebellion is in the very fabric of human nature and that primarily is against God. Rebellion manifests itself against all authorities. Christians should be an example of how not to rebel. God's kingdom is not of this world. The world system will be replaced but not by human means.
 
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God's order is for society to be governed. Rebellion is in the very fabric of human nature and that primarily is against God. Rebellion manifests itself against all authorities. Christians should be an example of how not to rebel. God's kingdom is not of this world. The world system will be replaced but not by human means.
I should outline that I'm not advocating for rebellion, I'm advocating for revolution. A revolution doesn't have to be violent and this one isn't by definition. This is why I say that baptism would go hand in hand with class conciousness.
 
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We all can imagine a utopian society in which everyone does everything with perfect fairness, etc. Unfortunately, we live in the real world, and it is the real world that is the domain of politics.
Yet it is prophecised that leading up to the tribulation there will be a millenium of peace where Christ rule is global. This is compatible with the prolitariate ruling themselves as one internationale.
 
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Yet it is prophecised that leading up to the tribulation there will be a millenium of peace where Christ rule is global. This is compatible with the prolitariate ruling themselves as one internationale.
Okay, but even if that premillennial POV is correct, it doesn't require us to fashion any new political theory or movement or give characteristics to it, etc.

The events you referred to will simply take place and government as we have known it will be finished.
 
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Okay, but even if that premillennial POV is correct, it doesn't require us to fashion any new political theory or movement or give characteristics to it, etc.

The events you referred to will simply take place and government as we have known it will be finished.
I actually agree about it's innevitability. However, for reasons I stated before, I find capitalism to be contrary to this idea and socialist ideas are the only postcapitalist ideologies that I find compatible with my beliefs. The other group of postcapitalist ideas are facist ones and that's not a possibility I'm willing to entertain.
 
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I should add, the whole idea that government as we know it will be gone, guess what ideology also advocates for the total dissolution of the state?
The whole idea of government as we know it with ideologies like Conservatism or Christian Socialism or Marxism will be defunct. That is the presumed nature of the millennium.

The ideology that advocates for the total dissolution of the state would be anarchism, which however is the least likely to occur this side of the millennium. ;)
 
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The whole idea of government as we know it with ideologies like Conservatism or Christian Socialism or Marxism will be defunct. That is the presumed nature of the millennium.

The ideology that advocates for the total dissolution of the state would be anarchism, which however is the least likely to occur this side of the millennium. ;)
Hmm, Anarchism, that's that term Peter Kropotkin used in his publication, The Conquest of Bread. There's a shameful legacy that the USSR left behind which left socialism with this connotation of "the government gives stuff" rather than what it ought be, common ownership. That's why my 3rd favourite verse is in my signature.
 
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I don't know where this discussion is going, but the Soviet Union, terrible as it was, was generally living out the sequence of events that Marx predicted. Of course, the withering away of the state would never have happened, but anarchism is still the answer to your question, whether or not it could ever become reality.
 
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I don't know where this discussion is going, but the Soviet Union, terrible as it was, was generally living out the sequence of events that Marx predicted. Of course, the withering away of the state would never have happened, but anarchism is still the answer to your question, whether or not it could ever become reality.
Well Leninism's dinstinction was the idea of a vangard, that a small group could lead revolution rather than revolution be the result from class conciousness. This is where Leninism departs from Marxism. I think the guy who Lenin specifcally asked not to be in charge ended up in charge was a major factor but ultimately it's because secular socialism is trying to meet God's ends without God and so can only rely on His corrupted image which humanity itself.
 
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"Yet it is prophecised that leading up to the tribulation there will be a millenium of peace where Christ rule is global. This is compatible with the prolitariate ruling themselves as one internationale."

First of all, the 1000 year millenium, where Christ rules over the whole earth occurs AFTER the great tribulation & the restoration of Israel as a nation, where Christ rules from Jerusalem in a global kingdom. The believing saints are in the first resurrection & Christ assigns those faithful saints to oversee cities & countries around the world as His chosen ones.

Rev 20:1-6 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil & Satan & bound him for a thousand years. 3And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it & sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were COMPLETE. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

4Then I saw the thrones & those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus & for the word of God & those who had not worshiped the beast or its image & had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life & reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did NOT come back to life until the thousand years were complete.

This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed & holy are those who share in the 1st resurrection! The 2nd death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God & of Christ & will reign with Him for a thousand years.

This is totally INCOMPATIBLE to the prolitariate ruling THEMSELVES...

https://www.ttb.org/docs/default-source/Booklets/millennium.pdf?sfvrsn=2

There is only one who rules all & that is the Lord Jesus Christ. He will rule with a rod of iron. Those who oppose Him will be dashed in pieces like a potter’s vessel. That is going to be a time when Christ will rule arbitrarily upon this earth.

Psalm 2:1-12 Why do the nations rage & the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand & the rulers gather together, against the LORD& against His Anointed One (Christ).

3“Let us break Their chains & cast away Their cords.” The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord taunts them. Then He rebukes them in His anger & terrifies them in His fury.

6“I have installed My King ON ZION, UPON MY HOLY MOUNTAIN.” I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father. Ask Me & I will make the nations Your inheritance, the ends of the earth Your possession.

9You will break them with an iron scepter; You will shatter them like pottery.” Therefore be wise, O kings; be admonished, O judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear & rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry & you perish in your rebellion, when His wrath ignites in an instant.Blessed are all who take refuge in Him.

The people no longer rule themselves, they are ruled by one: the Lord of lords & the King of kings, who is God the Son. At a moment in time, Christ knows all that is going on in the world, as He is omniscient. He is the King of all the earth. All bow to Him & worship Him.

Phil 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place & gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven & on earth & under the earth & every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

And there are no classes of people, as in Christ's kingdom there is no distinction between nations or ethnicity or gender, etc. ALL ARE ONE IN CHRIST JESUS & ALL ARE BRETHREN who love & serve & follow Him & Him alone.

Galatians 3:27,28 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Matthew 23:4-12 They tie up heavy, burdensome loads & lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. All their deeds are done for men to see. They broaden their phylacteries & lengthen their tassels.

6They love the places of honor at banquets, the chief seats in the synagogues, the greetings in the marketplaces & the title of ‘Rabbi’ by which they are addressed.

8But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher & YOU ARE ALL BRETHREN. And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled & whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 
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I suppose "ruling themselves" wasn't the best wording seeing I made it clear that the future I see people are ruled by compussion of Jesus Christ. By rule themselves, as in their is no need for a heirachy, that each have a direct responsibility and benefit from collective ownership. None of that, however, convinced me that the Millenium is after the tribulation.
 
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"He who is convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still."

"None of that, however, convinced me that the Millenium is after the tribulation."

Then I shall not waste my time quoting further Scripture & prophet after prophet in the Old Testament (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Joel, Zephaniah, etc.) that show the same thing or Matt 24 or Mark 13 or Luke 21 or some of the epistles.
 
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