Judge Who Signed Trump Warrant Recused Himself From Clinton Lawsuit

[Belk]

Actually the FBI had a search warrant so broad in its scope that they could seize anything. So much for Garland's speech about searches being narrow in scope.

All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or
other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793 , 2 071 , or 1519, including the
followin g:
a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any
containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as
well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the
aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;
b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the
retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material ;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or
d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of
any government and/or Presidential Record s, or of any documents with classification
markings

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/08/TRUMP-WARRANT-FROM-PACER-1.pdf


Looks pretty specific to me. Where do you see it being to broad and how would you narrow it?

 

[BPPLEE]

That is contrary to fact. Did you even read the warrant?

All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or
other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071 , or 1519, including the
following:
a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any
containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as
well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the
aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;
b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the
retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or
d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of
any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification
markings.​

Any government records produced over the entire time he was in office and anything stored with or near them. That's narrow in scope?

 

[BPPLEE]

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2022/08/TRUMP-WARRANT-FROM-PACER-1.pdf


Looks pretty specific to me. Where do you see it being to broad and how would you narrow it?

Any government records produced over the entire time he was in office and anything stored with them. That's narrow in scope?

 

[ruthiesea]

Well presidents do take things with them, are you saying he should pay for the cost of the paper? I guess technically you are right but it is a minor cost. Remember when the Clintons took all of that expensive china and furniture? Now that was a significant dollar amount. Are you saying you should prosecute Trump for the paper but not the Clintons? Here, I pulled an article from 2001:

"After they were criticized for taking $190,000 worth of china, flatware, rugs, televisions, sofas and other gifts with them when they left, the Clintons announced last week that they would pay for $86,000 worth of gifts, or nearly half the amount.
Their latest decision to send back $28,000 in gifts brings to$114,000 the value of items the Clintons have either decided to pay for or return."
Clintons Return White House Furniture

What he did may be in violation of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2209. It has nothing to do with the cost of the paper.

 

[BPPLEE]

What he did may be in violation of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2209. It has nothing to do with the cost of the paper.

Well please let them find something, anything that keeps him from running again.

 

[Belk]

Any government records produced over the entire time he was in office and anything stored with them. That's narrow in scope?

That is not what is stated in the warrant. It does not say "Any government records". It is more specific then that unless I am missing something? I presume you dealt with these in your LEO career?

 

[ruthiesea]

Actually the FBI had a search warrant so broad in its scope that they could seize anything. So much for Garland's speech about searches being narrow in scope.

I’ve written many search warrants in my day. The one served on Pres. Trump’s house looks kosher to me. They were allowed to search for documents kept in violation of the enumerated laws.

 

[BPPLEE]

That is not what is stated in the warrant. It does not say "Any government records". It is more specific then that unless I am missing something? I presume you dealt with these in your LEO career?

c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021
As well as anything "collectively stored" or found together

 

[BPPLEE]

I’ve written many search warrants in my day. The one served on Pres. Trump’s house looks kosher to me. They were allowed to search for documents kept in violation of the enumerated laws.

I didn't say it wasn't Kosher I said it was broad;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021
As well as anything "collectively stored" or found together

 

[ruthiesea]

Any government records produced over the entire time he was in office and anything stored with them. That's narrow in scope?

What he did may be in violation of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2209. It has nothing to do with the cost of the paper. And yes, that includes all documents created while Pres. Trump was in office.

 

[Belk]

c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021
As well as anything "collectively stored"

I did miss that. Thank you.

 

[ruthiesea]

I didn't say it wasn't Kosher I said it was broad;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021
As well as anything "collectively stored"

And that would be documents he kept in violation of the Presidential Records Act. That is not overly broad but specific to a violation of that act.

 

[DaisyDay]

Any government records produced over the entire time he was in office and anything stored with or near them. That's narrow in scope?

Yes. It means they did not root around in underwear drawers or Melania's pockets, contrary to many absurd claims. It is limited to government papers which he is not allowed to take with him. Why did he have such a difficult time not pilfering documents?

 

[DaisyDay]

Well please let them find something, anything that keeps him from running again.

Lol. Let him not do illegal stuff and he should be fine.

 

[BPPLEE]

That is contrary to fact. Did you even read the warrant?

All physical documents and records constituting evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or
other items illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 793, 2071 , or 1519, including the
following:
a. Any physical documents with classification markings, along with any
containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as
well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the
aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;
b. Information, including communications in any form, regarding the
retrieval, storage, or transmission of national defense information or classified material;
c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021; or
d. Any evidence of the knowing alteration, destruction, or concealment of
any government and/or Presidential Records, or of any documents with classification
markings.​

c. Any government and/or Presidential Records created between January
20, 2017, and January 20, 2021;
as
well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together

 

[BPPLEE]

Lol. Let him not do illegal stuff and he should be fine.

You don't understand. I don't want him on the ballot.

 

[BPPLEE]

And that would be documents he kept in violation of the Presidential Records Act. That is not overly broad but specific to a violation of that act.

That could be a thank you note. It may not be overly broad legally but it is broad.

 

[wing2000]

I get a kick out of whataboutism arguments. They remind me of when I was a kid and I wanted to do something or have something against my parent's rules.
My arguments were usually but ALL my friends are going or ALL my friends have one. It didn't work for me either.

Exactly. Apparently DT's parents operated reared him differently.

 

[RDKirk]

Any government records produced over the entire time he was in office and anything stored with or near them. That's narrow in scope?

Would they find any of those in your house?

 

[wing2000]

They didn't STEAL his passports, they temporarily confiscated them. Boo Hoo.

...which the government can do at any time.

From my passport: "U.S. Government PROPERTY: This passport is the property of the United States (Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, Section 51.7). It must be surrendered upon demand by an authorized representative of the United States Government."