Judaizing Gods law, or 613 Mitzvot/613 Commandments...

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I was reading in the other thread how when Jews write of the law, they refer to the 613 commandments as the whole law instead of just the 10 Commandments written by God, as they have combined the mosiac ceremonial law with it to create their picket fence of law. The statement "In the earliest new Christian controversies, it was the issue of Judaizing of the new converts: righteousness by works (of keeping the law) vs righteousness by faith" jumped out at me as Adventist also have been acused of this. So I thought I would study it and go through it to see the history and content as many of my family and friends are Jewish, and of course others are Adventist.
 

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613 Mitzvot or 613 Commandments (Hebrew: תרי"ג מצוות‎ transliterated as Taryag mitzvot; TaRYaG is the gematria for the number "613") are a list of commandments from God in the Torah. Jewish tradition holds that the Torah contains 613 distinct mitzvot.
Traditionally, of these 613 commandments, 248 are mitzvot aseh ("positive commandments," commands to perform certain actions) and 365 are mitzvot lo taaseh ("negative commandments," commands to abstain from certain actions). Three-hundred and sixty-five corresponds to the number of days in a solar year, and 248 was believed to be the number of bones and significant organs in the human body.

Many Jewish philosophical and mystical works (e.g. by Baal ha-Turim, the Maharal of Prague and leaders of Hasidic Judaism) find allusions and inspirational calculations relating to the number of commandments. Other works dispute that exactly 613 mitzvot exist.
The tzitzit ("knotted fringes") of the tallit ("[prayer] shawl") are connected to the 613 commandments by interpretation: principal Torah commentator Rashi bases the number of knots on a gematria: the word tzitzit (Hebrew: ציצת (Biblical), ציצית, in its Mishnaic spelling) has the value 600. Each tassel has eight threads (when doubled over) and five sets of knots, totalling 13. The sum of all numbers is 613. This reflects the concept that donning a garment with tzitzit reminds its wearer of all Torah commandments.

The Talmudic source is not without dissent. Apart from Rabbi Simlai, to whom the number 613 is attributed, other classical sages who hold this view include Rabbi Simeon ben Azzai (Sifre, Deuteronomy 76) and Rabbi Eleazar ben Yose the Galilean (Midrash Aggadah to Genesis 15:1). It is quoted in Midrash Shemot Rabbah 33:7, Bamidbar Rabbah 13:15–16; 18:21 and Talmud Yevamot 47b.
However, some held that this count was not an authentic tradition, or that it was not logically possible to come up with a systematic count. This is possibly why no early work of Jewish law or Biblical commentary depended on this system, and no early systems of Jewish principles of faith made acceptance of this Aggadah (non-legal Talmudic statement) normative. The classical Biblical commentator and grammarian Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra denied that this was an authentic rabbinic tradition. Ibn Ezra writes "Some sages enumerate 613 mitzvot in many diverse ways [...] but in truth there is no end to the number of mitzvot [...] and if we were to count only the root principles [...] the number of mitzvot would not reach 613" (Yesod Mora, Chapter 2).

However, some held that this count was not an authentic tradition, or that it was not logically possible to come up with a systematic count. This is possibly why no early work of Jewish law or Biblical commentary depended on this system, and no early systems of Jewish principles of faith made acceptance of this Aggadah (non-legal Talmudic statement) normative. The classical Biblical commentator and grammarian Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra denied that this was an authentic rabbinic tradition. Ibn Ezra writes "Some sages enumerate 613 mitzvot in many diverse ways [...] but in truth there is no end to the number of mitzvot [...] and if we were to count only the root principles [...] the number of mitzvot would not reach 613" (Yesod Mora, Chapter 2).In practice there is no one definitive list that explicates the 613 laws. The differences come about because in some places the Torah lists related laws together, so it is difficult to know whether one is dealing with a single law, which lists several cases, or several separate laws. Other "commandments" in the Torah are restricted as one-time acts, and would not be considered as "mitzvot" binding on other persons.

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
 
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Here is one list based primarily on the list compiled by Rambam in the Mishneh Torah..

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

As you can see its quite a list broken into sections such as Torah, Signs and Symbols, etc....and few are based on Gods law handed to Moses on the tablets...

Do Adventist have a comparable list of do's and dont's...?
 
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Reddogs, the Mosaic ceremonial law was God's law & it was understood as 1 unit....
...Within that law there were both Moral and Ceremonial aspects.

John 7,26
Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?


Because the command of Circumcision is within the 1st 5 Books of the Bible...
...It is considered 'Law of Moses' by all Jews & by default Christians as well.

Genesis 17,10
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised


Genesis 17,14
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is NOT circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant


As we see, the commandment came directly from God through the fathers and again affirmed via Moses...
...This is the teaching - Jewish Sacred Scripture is broken down into sections.
...The Law = 1st Five Books of Moses.
...The Prophets.
...The writings.

So when New Testament Sacred Scripture states such and such is "according to the law"...
...It simply means that it will be found within the 1st five Books of the Bible.
...When it says "according to the prophets" it simply means one of the Prophets said it.


There are 613 "commandments" which while under the law were equally binding...
...If you broke ONE you had broken them all.

Lev 23
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even THESE are my feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Leviticus 23 goes on to continue listing the Liturgical Feasts of God after the Sabbath....
...All were equally binding to Jews.

Because of the Torah Law on circumcision being the "gateway" ceremony which allowed a man to participate in the other Liturgical practices of Judaism...
...Great pressure was put on Gentiles to get cut because without being cut.
....There would be NO Passover, Sabbath or any other Liturgical practices.

Judaizing simply was the term used for Christians who became circumcised AND observed the Law of Moses...
...Specifically the Liturgical practices such as New Moons, Sabbaths and the other Feasts of Judaism.
...A non-Jew COULDN'T participate in ANY of those things until AFTER He was circumised.

The Council of Jerusalem terminated Jewish Liturgical practices for Gentiles being a question....
...A person who rejects that Council and opts to be circumcised thinking that being cut or keeping Sabbath will help save him.
...Has Judaized.
 
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A practical codification of the Commandments, and the Rules of Rectitude, and the Judgments which YHWH gave in charge between Himself and the children of Israel by the ministration of Moses, from the Greek LXX, Codex Vaticanus B, the only approved translation of the ancient Hebrew manuscripts no longer in existence, by the High Priest and the Sanhedrin. In the translation of Charles Thomson, Secretary of the Continental Congress of the United States of America, 1774-1789. As recorded in the Official Canon of the Order of the Fourth Philosophy. ofparizona.org
 

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I was reading in the other thread how when Jews write of the law, they refer to the 613 commandments as the whole law instead of just the 10 Commandments written by God, as they have combined the mosiac ceremonial law with it to create their picket fence of law. The statement "In the earliest new Christian controversies, it was the issue of Judaizing of the new converts: righteousness by works (of keeping the law) vs righteousness by faith" jumped out at me as Adventist also have been acused of this. So I thought I would study it and go through it to see the history and content as many of my family and friends are Jewish, and of course others are Adventist.

In 1 Cor 7:19 "circumcision does not matter" (Ceremonial law) "but what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

In the LAW of God "Honor your father and mother" is the "first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2
 
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I was reading in the other thread how when Jews write of the law, they refer to the 613 commandments as the whole law instead of just the 10 Commandments written by God, as they have combined the mosiac ceremonial law with it to create their picket fence of law.
Interesting that Our Lord picked 2 of the 613 that are NOT in the 10 commandments as the most important:

Mark 12:28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord (Deut 6.4); 30 and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength (Deut 6.5).’ 31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Lev 19.18) There is no other commandment greater than these.”
 
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Interesting that Our Lord picked 2 of the 613 that are NOT in the 10 commandments as the most important:

1. He said "ALL the Law and the prophets" are firmly based on "those two" -- He did not say "all the LAW and the prophets are deleted by those two"

2. He never mentions "do not take God's name in vain". But that does not matter - it still applies to all mankind. As do all the Ten.

In Matthew 19 Jesus said "if you want to inherit eternal life - KEEP the Commandments" .
He is then asked "which ones?" -- and the answer He gives is not "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5.

Rather He quotes from the TEN and gives the same list - that Paul gives in Romans 13 after the cross.
 
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1. He said "ALL the Law and the prophets" are firmly based on "those two" -- He did not say "all the LAW and the prophets are deleted by those two"
Amen.
2. He never mentions "do not take God's name in vain". But that does not matter - it still applies to all mankind. As do all the Ten.
You know I agree.
In Matthew 19 Jesus said "if you want to inherit eternal life - KEEP the Commandments" .
He is then asked "which ones?" -- and the answer He gives is not "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5.
Rather He quotes from the TEN
Be careful there. The list of commands Our Lord gave that "rich young ruler" was tailored specifically to expose an attitude in him personally.
 
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Do Adventist have a comparable list of do's and dont's...?
Is there a reason to think they should not have ?

Rather, distinguish what you mean by "comparable list" - do you mean a list like the list that Jesus opposed (a list by or for men not from Yahweh) ?

Or a list that Yahweh gave that Jesus and all the Apostles and all the faithful disciples honored, even the faithful gentiles did ?
 
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BobRyan said:
In Matthew 19 Jesus said "if you want to inherit eternal life - KEEP the Commandments" .
He is then asked "which ones?"

-- and the answer He gives is not "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5.

Rather He quotes from the TEN

Be careful there. The list of commands Our Lord gave that "rich young ruler" was tailored specifically to expose an attitude in him personally.

It is same list Paul gives to the church in Romans 13.

The point is that you can't take those lists and then "exclude" the command "Love God with all your heart" or "Do not take God's name in vain" based on those sorts of lists -- because those commands are not being deleted merely because they are not mentioned.
 
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Here is one list based primarily on the list compiled by Rambam in the Mishneh Torah..

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

As you can see its quite a list broken into sections such as Torah, Signs and Symbols, etc....and few are based on Gods law handed to Moses on the tablets...

Do Adventist have a comparable list of do's and dont's...?

Scriptural references supplied. They did not just make these commandments up.
 
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613 Mitzvot or 613 Commandments (Hebrew: תרי"ג מצוות‎ transliterated as Taryag mitzvot; TaRYaG is the gematria for the number "613") are a list of commandments from God in the Torah. Jewish tradition holds that the Torah contains 613 distinct mitzvot.
Traditionally, of these 613 commandments, 248 are mitzvot aseh ("positive commandments," commands to perform certain actions) and 365 are mitzvot lo taaseh ("negative commandments," commands to abstain from certain actions). Three-hundred and sixty-five corresponds to the number of days in a solar year, and 248 was believed to be the number of bones and significant organs in the human body.

Or.. to put it "another way" --

They looked at the Bible, the Word of God, ,to see what God had actually commanded in the real Bible.. prior to the NT church age and they found 613 command in God's Word.

Others (not Adventists) have found 1050 commands in God's Word - in the New Testament.

Counting the commands God has given in His Word seems to be sort of "a fun thing to do" -- all the while many work hard at trying to ignore God's Ten Commandments in one way or another.

How interesting.
 
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I was reading in the other thread how when Jews write of the law, they refer to the 613 commandments as the whole law instead of just the 10 Commandments written by God, as they have combined the mosiac ceremonial law with it to create their picket fence of law. The statement "In the earliest new Christian controversies, it was the issue of Judaizing of the new converts: righteousness by works (of keeping the law) vs righteousness by faith" jumped out at me as Adventist also have been acused of this. So I thought I would study it and go through it to see the history and content as many of my family and friends are Jewish, and of course others are Adventist.

The Bible does not use the category of ceremonial laws and the laws that fit into that category can vary depending on whom you ask. For example, some say that everything other than the Ten Commandments are ceremonial laws, but other laws like Leviticus 19:17 where we are commanded not to hate our neighbor doesn't have anything to do with ceremony. The Bible does use a separate category of law for God's Festivals, but they are often lumped into ceremonial laws.

However, the problem with Judaizers were not with God's laws, but with with man-made laws. In Galatians and Acts 15:1, they were wanting to require all Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved. However, God's Law does not actually command all Gentiles to become circumcised and the reason that God commanded all Jews to become circumcised was not in order to become saved. If God didn't command it, then the problem was that circumcision was being used for a man-made purpose that went above and beyond what God commanded it, which was actually contrary to the purposes of God. A ruling against requiring Gentiles to obey something that God never commanded should not be taken as a ruling against Gentiles obeying what God has commanded.

God's Law was not given as instructions for how to become righteous, but as instructions for how to practice righteousness. For example, the Law reveals that it is in accordance with God's righteousness to help the poor, but no amount of helping the poor will every cause someone who is not righteous to become righteous because the one and only way that there has ever been to become righteous is by grace through faith. However, in Romans 1:5, we have received righteousness to bring about the obedience that faith requires, so we are not declared righteous by our obedience, but rather the same grace and faith by which we are declared righteous all requires our obedience.

When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God give us His righteousness and declares us to be righteous, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His Law. In other words, we have not been given the righteousness of God in order to hide it under a bushel, but in order to let it shine through our obedience through faith. So we are not to obey Gods Law in order to become righteous, but because we have been declared righteous.
 
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