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Journalists expose cases of police brutality, misconduct

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by SummerMadness, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. SummerMadness

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    Journalists expose cases of police brutality, misconduct
    This is a very timely release because over the weekend, a police use of force database was also released to the public. Transparency and compiling these statistics is the start to police reform.
    The 25 police departments that used kicks, pepper spray or other force the most, ranked
    The Force Report
     
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  2. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    It's a High Crime area.
    Living In Lower Vailsburg, NJ - Lower Vailsburg Livability

    Where are the numbers on how polite the residents are?
     
  3. SummerMadness

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    It looks like someone did not read the article. The initial article is about Asbury Park and the next article never mentions Lowers Vailsburg, but what does that matter? You didn't read the article.

    However, crime in the area does not make police brutality okay. Moreover, the highest level of police force is in a place with low crime, so the argument makes no sense. Nonetheless, crime is never an excuse for police brutality.
     
  4. SkyWriting

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    Lowers Vailsburg is the closest area to Middleton NJ, with the highest rates.

    Actually it is. If on the crime scene with a gun, you
    are seen as a threat and you can be shot dead. Even if
    you are an innocent bystander holding a gun.

    If you are assaulting another person becasue of
    a crime they committed against you, you can be
    perceived as a threat and shot dead.

    If you are innocently fleeing a scene and ignoring
    orders to stop, same thing. "Brutality" is the smallest
    of the possible results as you are brought down to the ground.
    You are lucky to only experience brutality.

    Where are the numbers on how polite the residents are?
    Why did the guy in the car crash get assaulted? Why would
    a police officer give up their career to assault somebody? Why?
    Just for funzies?
     
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  5. iluvatar5150

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    What are you talking about? The report is about the entire state of NJ, not just one municipality.

    So much for the 2nd amendment and the "good guy with a gun" theory.

    What are you talking about?

    What are you talking about?

    Who cares? Rude citizens doesn't give cops license to abuse.

    Presumably because the police thought he was the person they were chasing, not the person that was crashed into by the person they were chasing.

    Did you read the article at all? One of the main points is that they aren't being held accountable for these actions, er go they aren't risking their careers.
     
  6. SummerMadness

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    I think he is trying to justify why Maplewood (not Middleton) has the highest rate in the state. What he ignores is that Maplewood is not bordering Lower Vailsburg and considering that Newark, South Orange, Irvington and Union do not have similar rates, this argument is completely bunk. If anything, South Orange should have the same rates as Maplewood as they are seen as one community. There is also the fact that the Maplewood police chief was canned because a cover up of an incident of police brutality toward a group of kids. It's an argument from a place of complete ignorance and still ignores the fact that committing a crime does not make police brutality okay.

    This makes no sense, what are you talking about?

    Fleeing is not carte blanche for police brutality. Just as you shouldn't be bludgeoning Dylann Roof after he murdered people in church, you should not be beating a person that has fled the scene.

    Irrelevant. Being polite or impolite does not justify police brutality. And if you're implication is that Maplewood residents are somehow more impolite, you obviously know little about the cities, townships and villages in Essex county.

    I think your reply shows that you don't know anything about the man in the car crash and why he was kicked, and why this led to the police lying that they were trying to help him. Nonetheless, this very case is a perfect example why police brutality is not and should not be tolerated. Innocent people should not be hurt by the police and if the police do hurt an innocent person, it better not be by reason of the police beating up a person because they're angry.
     
  7. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    I can't tell if this article is deliberately vague or just looks that way because the research is.
     
  8. SummerMadness

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    N.J. to overhaul how it tracks police force following NJ.com investigation
    I assume the group that obtained information on jury pools required a similar investment, which is one of the reason why having this data in a readily accessible database is important.
     
  9. SkyWriting

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    When the cops stop you...Attitude is everything.

    Talk to a judge. An attitude with a judge will get you a life of ease in the pokey.
    I can't guarantee you brutality in jail, but the odds are good.
    But you can keep up your attitude if you want. Don't call me collect.
     
  10. Lost4words

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    Gang brutality is much worse!
     
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  11. SummerMadness

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    A police officer has no right to use excessive force if you have an attitude. Might a police officer resort to excessive force if you have an attitude? Yes. Should you as a citizen cheer on the government using excessive force against citizens? Ben Franklin would disagree. But again, it's clear why police brutality is acceptable based on who is often the victim of police brutality. There is no excuse for police brutality. And when you compare the police to criminals, that's a very low bar and quite sad that you can't see law enforcement as being no more ethical than a criminal.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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    Police come upon a car crash and begin kicking the driver.
    You need to wear blinders to assume this is fun for them.
    Ignoring the reality is the way to become offended at the results.
     
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    Yes. It's called resisting arrest. It can be running away and even mouthing off.
    Disorderly conduct or "breach of peace" can mean several different things. Some offenses include fighting, intoxication, yelling, inciting a fight, and rioting.
    Excessive force refers to force in excess
    of what a police officer reasonably believes is necessary.
    Excessive Force | Wex Legal Dictionary
     
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    What you call brutality is due to resisting arrest and is justified.
    It's happened to me, and I don't resist. Why? Becasue I happen
    to know that some police are among the lowest of humans.
    Cooperating is my best chance with these types.
     
  15. SummerMadness

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    Someone that is saying mean things to a police officer is not resisting arrest. If you are following the police officer's directions, you can still say mean things to them as you are free to speak. Cursing at a police officer is not resistance, you are just making a bad argument now. You mistake having an attitude with not complying.

    This is an exemplary police officer:


    The driver has an attitude, but this officer is the model of professionalism.
     
  16. SummerMadness

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    Police brutality, beating an innocent man after he's been in a car accident. I didn't realize beating a man that was in an accident was necessary. Or perhaps it's necessary to beat a complying man with his hands up like Michael Jeter in Bloomfield, NJ. Yeah, what I call brutality is justified behavior...
     
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    I don't recall any legislation passing statutes authorizing the thought police.
     
  18. RDKirk

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    We've seen recently that a cop risks his career by not shooting someone at the first opportunity to do so.
     
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    Police were called about a fight he was having with
    his girlfriend.
    I've had scores of fights and the
    neighbors never call the police on me. Only me?
    Jeter resisted arrest and refused to exit his car.
    After they were called about his antics with his
    girlfriend who were concerned enough to call the
    police on him. Lucky he wasn't shot dead in his car.
     
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