Jordan Peterson on Orthodox Christianity

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While I generally have a lot of respect for his willingness to openly step out and confront the modern Political Correctness, social justice, and “Thought crimes” trends we are seeing... And I very much appreciate his talks about history and how he thinks about things...

He is an avowed atheist/rationalist... So I take his opinions on Christianity and religion in general with a VERY large grain of salt.

Here’s a funny little bit of satire from the Babylon Bee....
http://babylonbee.com/news/jordan-peterson-granted-honorary-christian-status
 
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He’s almost like an ancient pagan on the verge of finding Christ. He has a lot of truth, but his humanist assumptions undercut some of his otherwise good and even great observations.
 
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I have never heard Jordan Peterson identify himself as an atheist. He seems to be the type of person to approach religion through Jung, which has a certain resonance with some Christians, for instance, among some Episcopalians and Anglicans.
 
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I have never heard Jordan Peterson identify himself as an atheist. He seems to be the type of person to approach religion through Jung, which has a certain resonance with some Christians, for instance, among some Episcopalians and Anglicans.
Better, I think, to approach Jung through religion, which has a certain resonance with some Christians, for instance, among some Orthodox.
 
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He’s almost like an ancient pagan on the verge of finding Christ. He has a lot of truth, but his humanist assumptions undercut some of his otherwise good and even great observations.

He really likes to quote and lean on Solzhenitsyn... But somehow he missed (or ignores) the part where Solzhenitsyn explained HOW and why humanism died and that our only remaining option in the face of horrific atrocity is to look Upwards to God.

For example:
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn: Harvard Commencement Address (A World Split Apart)

As an aside - it is worth remembering that leaning on the “Primordial ooze” giving birth to Creation by the agency of Chaos is the literal underpinning of the entire ancient Babylonian religious system (and thus the subsequent ancient Greek and Roman systems based on it).... This new “scientific” belief is literally the foundation of ancient paganism.
 
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He really likes to quote and lean on Solzhenitsyn... But somehow he missed (or ignores) the part where Solzhenitsyn explained HOW and why humanism died and that our only remaining option in the face of horrific atrocity is to look Upwards to God.

For example:
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn: Harvard Commencement Address (A World Split Apart)

As an aside - it is worth remembering that leaning on the “Primordial ooze” giving birth to Creation by the agency of Chaos is the literal underpinning of the entire ancient Babylonian religious system (and thus the subsequent ancient Greek and Roman systems based on it).... This new “scientific” belief is literally the foundation of ancient paganism.

Humanism seems to produce better measures of human development, than countries that are oriented towards theocracy.
 
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Humanism seems to produce better measures of human development, than countries that are oriented towards theocracy.

Until they devolve into Machiavellian atrocity that has no backstop of final responsibility/threat of standing before The God of All Creation...
 
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Until they devolve into Machiavellian atrocity that has no backstop of final responsibility/threat of standing before The God of All Creation...

I guess that explains why Japan and Denmark are such horrible places to live. Oh wait...
 
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Anytime ANYONE says anything positive about Our Lord and Holy Orthodoxy, TAKE IT AND RUN! I don't care if the person is atheist or they worship Don Henley! Just be glad we have any advocates, friends, or positivity coming our way as we try to navigate through a culture worldwide that is taught the 'beauties' of sodomy, cohabitation, abortion, feminism, free sex, legalized drugs, atheism, evolution, and secular humanism. We don't have many friends, and we need all we can get! Like Rus said, perhaps Dr. Peterson is on a journey we just don't know about. I recall a fella by the name of Emperor Constantine that was a secularized violent character, but he was friendly to Orthodox. He eventually had the word "saint" put in front of his name. Heck, this other guy, Saul of Tarsus, had nothing good to say about these folks called Christians. Knocking him off his horse did the trick....
 
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My friend - humanism was dead long before I came along. Your argument is with fellows like Solzhenitsyn and Deitrich Bonhoeffer who witnessed it’s abject failure in the face of raging evil....

You make a mistake assuming I am ignorant of Bonhoeffer. I am a Lutheran and admire Bonhoeffer a great deal. In his Letters and Papers from Prison he reasserts the Lutheran humanistic emphasis and expounds on it radically, emphasizing that humanity has "come of age" and no longer needs religion-as-explanation.
 
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Absolutely..

And to reiterate (and pile on).....

Just because someone doesn’t believe in God doesn’t mean that God can’t use them for great works which glorify His Holy Name.....

And interestingly we notice how God will use unbelievers to accomplish mighty things which a pious belief in God would basically disallow.

For example - George Soros singlehandedly collapsed the currency and entire economy of The USSR in the 1989. A faithful Christian or pious Jew’s belief would prevent us from intentionally collapsing the economy of an evil nation simply out of pity for the suffering of the millions of citizens within it...

Anytime ANYONE says anything positive about Our Lord and Holy Orthodoxy, TAKE IT AND RUN! I don't care if the person is atheist or they worship Don Henley! Just be glad we have any advocates, friends, or positivity coming our way as we try to navigate through a culture worldwide that is taught the 'beauties' of sodomy, cohabitation, abortion, feminism, free sex, legalized drugs, atheism, evolution, and secular humanism. We don't have many friends, and we need all we can get! Like Rus said, perhaps Dr. Peterson is on a journey we just don't know about. I recall a fella by the name of Emperor Constantine that was a secularized violent character, but he was friendly to Orthodox. He eventually had the word "saint" put in front of his name. Heck, this other guy, Saul of Tarsus, had nothing good to say about these folks called Christians. Knocking him off his horse did the trick....
 
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Agreed....but sadly Soros is now trying to destroy and destabilize the West and put us u see the yoke of socialism and tyranny.

Absolutely..

And to reiterate (and pile on).....

Just because someone doesn’t believe in God doesn’t mean that God can’t use them for great works which glorify His Holy Name.....

And interestingly we notice how God will use unbelievers to accomplish mighty things which a pious belief in God would basically disallow.

For example - George Soros singlehandedly collapsed the currency and entire economy of The USSR in the 1989. A faithful Christian or pious Jew’s belief would prevent us from intentionally collapsing the economy of an evil nation simply out of pity for the suffering of the millions of citizens within it...
 
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Agreed....but sadly Soros is now trying to destroy and destabilize the West and put us u see the yoke of socialism and tyranny.

True.... And that’s sort of what happens when we fail to get ahold of somebody like Soros and bring him to see Jesus...

Solzhenitsyn answered the matter of where that atheist path leads in 1978.... “Liberalism was inevitably displaced by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could never resist communism.” And that’s exactly the road we are on now - except perhaps we replace “communism” with the more generic “Totalitarianism” enslaving the masses for the benefit of the rulers....

They are quietly working their way back to the Feudal system where the people were enslaved to the educated and benevolent lords...

And they are making no bones about employing “Mystery Babylon” to make it happen....
 
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This is from April, but just in case you haven't seen it, I thought it was worth posting.

Good, I hope people will abandon him for the truth of Christianity and forget his nonsense.
 
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Better, I think, to approach Jung through religion, which has a certain resonance with some Christians, for instance, among some Orthodox.
I think it’s better not to approach Jung at all.
 
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Anytime ANYONE says anything positive about Our Lord and Holy Orthodoxy, TAKE IT AND RUN! I don't care if the person is atheist or they worship Don Henley! Just be glad we have any advocates, friends, or positivity coming our way as we try to navigate through a culture worldwide that is taught the 'beauties' of sodomy, cohabitation, abortion, feminism, free sex, legalized drugs, atheism, evolution, and secular humanism. We don't have many friends, and we need all we can get! Like Rus said, perhaps Dr. Peterson is on a journey we just don't know about. I recall a fella by the name of Emperor Constantine that was a secularized violent character, but he was friendly to Orthodox. He eventually had the word "saint" put in front of his name. Heck, this other guy, Saul of Tarsus, had nothing good to say about these folks called Christians. Knocking him off his horse did the trick....

I'm a former atheist myself and I even hated religion. Nearly anybody can come to Christ if they open their hearts and minds to it. Can't say it's easy in this culture we live in, though. I've lost friends myself for speaking out against abortion, casual sex, etc.
 
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