John 14:1-3 "I will com again" - post-trib, pre-mill, full Rapture, visible

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There are people who make a distinction between the Body of Christ and Israel, as we have discussed many times before.

You are unable to make that same distinction, hence you come to a different doctrine.

Notice that Galatians 3:16,26-29 is also unable to make that same distinction.

What different doctrine did the Holy Spirit and Paul come to?
 
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Notice that Galatians 3:16,26-29 is also unable to make that same distinction.

What different doctrine did the Holy Spirit and Paul come to?

Paul is only talking about the Body of Christ in that passage, where there is no distinction between jews and gentiles
 
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Why are you so against the idea of a spiritual Israel (consisting of believers) in contrast to the earthly nation of Israel (consisting of both believers and unbelievers), anyway? You're so against it that you can't even accept it when it's clearly taught in a passage like Romans 9:6-8.
The family of God is not the family of spiritual Israel. The family of God is the family of God from all of Adam's descendants. But it is not called Adam's family. It is called Christ's family.

Some of Abraham's family is in this family. Some of Israel is in this family. To call it spiritual Israel is missing the point. Israel is not a replacement. The church did not replace Israel physically nor spiritually. The most Paul was doing was using a metaphor, not stating a fact. Many in Paul's day claimed to be "of Israel" even though they were not born into Israel, but circumcised and converts. Then Paul pointed out that even those born into Israel should not even be considered "of Israel" because they were in rebellion to God. That is why Israel was removed from the tree.
 
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Does Christ have another body in addition to the Body of Christ?

Scripture?
Why another body? Asking that question does not even make sense.

Do you think God is going to split the body of Christ and force some to live on earth and the rest in the New Jerusalem?
 
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If Israel cannot be Israel, how can those not of Israel be Israel? I don't add thoughts to the verse. Just read it as written.
Are you reading it as written when you conclude that Paul saying that not all who descend from Israel are Israel is referring to the same Israel instead of two different Israels? No, you're not.

Clearly, all who descend from the nation of Israel are part of the nation of Israel. If Paul was speaking of the same Israel in each case when he said not all who descend from Israel are Israel, then his claim would contradict reality. The only way what he said can make sense is if he was saying not all from Israel #1 are part of Israel #2.
 
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There are people who make a distinction between the Body of Christ and Israel, as we have discussed many times before.

You are unable to make that same distinction, hence you come to a different doctrine.
Of course there is a distinction between the Body of Christ and the nation of Israel. I have never said otherwise.

The issue I have with your perspective is that you attribute promises God made to Abraham and to Israel to the nation of Israel that New Testament scripture applies to the Body of Christ (spiritual Israel) instead, such as in Galatians 3:16-29. Your main problem, in my view, is that you interpret Old Testament scripture in isolation without allowing the New Testament to interpret it for you.
 
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Paul is only talking about the Body of Christ in that passage, where there is no distinction between jews and gentiles
So, why do you want to make a distinction between Jews and Gentiles when scripture doesn't?
 
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Why another body? Asking that question does not even make sense.

Do you think God is going to split the body of Christ and force some to live on earth and the rest in the New Jerusalem?

If it doesn't make sense to you, then don't respond to it. Leave it for someone to whom it does make sense.

If someone is not in "the Body of Christ", then he/she is in "the body not of Christ".

Whose body do you think that is? Don't respond if that doesn't make sense to you.

"Why another body?"

That's why.
 
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Paul pointed out that even those born into Israel should not even be considered "of Israel" because they were in rebellion to God. That is why Israel was removed from the tree.
This is the truth and of those born into Israel [Judah], only a remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27
The rest will be thrown out of the Kingdom. Matthew 8:12

Note; in Matthew 8:11 Many will come from the East and the West to sit with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...in the Kingdom.
The faithful Christian peoples, from every race, nation and language.
 
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So, why do you want to make a distinction between Jews and Gentiles when scripture doesn't?

The distinction is between israel and the body of Christ, as made by James in acts 21:25, and Paul in romans 11
 
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The distinction is between israel and the body of Christ, as made by James in acts 21:25, and Paul in romans 11
Yes; the ethnic Israel, who are here: the Jewish people, do have a different destiny that the people of God, the Body of Christ.
The former will be punished and only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27
The latter will be the new citizens of the new nation of Beulah in all of the holy Land. Romans 9:24-26, Isaiah 62:1-5, +
 
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Does Christ have another body in addition to the Body of Christ?

Scripture?

The Body of Christ was a mystery that was first revealed and given to the apostle Paul.

Those who are spiritual/true Israel, which includes the little flock are in Christ, but they are not in the Body of Christ. (Romans 16:7)

7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
 
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The Body of Christ was a mystery that was first revealed and given to the apostle Paul.

Debunked. No supporting Scripture exists.

Those who are spiritual/true Israel, which includes the little flock are in Christ, but they are not in the Body of Christ. (Romans 16:7)

7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

Debunked.

Your expression, "in the Body of Christ", appears nowhere in Scripture.

Scripture's expression, "in Christ", appears many times.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in the Body of Christ if you're in Christ.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in Christ if you're in the Body of Christ.

Provide us with a link to anyone who espouses what you're espousing.
 
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Debunked. No supporting Scripture exists.



Debunked.

Your expression, "in the Body of Christ", appears nowhere in Scripture.

Scripture's expression, "in Christ", appears many times.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in the Body of Christ if you're in Christ.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in Christ if you're in the Body of Christ.

Provide us with a link to anyone who espouses what you're espousing.

I have already explained these in other threads which the both of us were engaged in.

 
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I have already explained these in other threads which the both of us were engaged in.


Your "mystery" claim was debunked.

You haven't responded:

Your expression, "in the Body of Christ", appears nowhere in Scripture.

Scripture's expression, "in Christ", appears many times.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in the Body of Christ if you're in Christ.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in Christ if you're in the Body of Christ.
 
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Are you reading it as written when you conclude that Paul saying that not all who descend from Israel are Israel is referring to the same Israel instead of two different Israels? No, you're not.

Clearly, all who descend from the nation of Israel are part of the nation of Israel. If Paul was speaking of the same Israel in each case when he said not all who descend from Israel are Israel, then his claim would contradict reality. The only way what he said can make sense is if he was saying not all from Israel #1 are part of Israel #2.
God is the one claiming they are no longer physically from Israel. Not everything that God does or claims makes sense. God created reality and can change reality. Still not seeing God turn humans into physical nor spiritual Israelites. We are being conformed to the image and reality of Christ, not some fallen person who had their name changed.
 
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If it doesn't make sense to you, then don't respond to it. Leave it for someone to whom it does make sense.

If someone is not in "the Body of Christ", then he/she is in "the body not of Christ".

Whose body do you think that is? Don't respond if that doesn't make sense to you.

"Why another body?"

That's why.
Because you reject that God chooses people to live on earth. It is not the same body and it is not a split body. It is simply a group of humans who no longer have Adam's flesh and blood, who populate earth for 1000 thousand years, and reign with Christ as priest. If you reject the Millennium, reject the Millennium. It is not for the church, the body of Christ any way. You don't even have to worry about it. God already has it all planned out.
 
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Your "mystery" claim was debunked.

You haven't responded:

Your expression, "in the Body of Christ", appears nowhere in Scripture.

Scripture's expression, "in Christ", appears many times.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in the Body of Christ if you're in Christ.

Explain how God would exclude you from being in Christ if you're in the Body of Christ.

People can explain to you, but since you are determined to reject whatever they say, they have to move on.
 
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Because you reject that God chooses people to live on earth. It is not the same body and it is not a split body. It is simply a group of humans who no longer have Adam's flesh and blood, who populate earth for 1000 thousand years, and reign with Christ as priest. If you reject the Millennium, reject the Millennium. It is not for the church, the body of Christ any way. You don't even have to worry about it. God already has it all planned out.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Neither does anyone else.

You're obviously responding to someone else's post.
 
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