Joe Biden and Ron DeSantis Trade Barbs as Florida's Monoclonal Antibodies Restricted

[ThatRobGuy]

Wasn't NY one if the first to lockdown and have mandates?

U.S. state and local government responses to the COVID-19 pandemic - Wikipedia

Which particular mandate?

Different states imposed different measures at different times. But I'm not aware of NY being the first. Maybe in the first 10 states?

But the nursing home debacle is what really drove up their death numbers.



But like I said, cumulative damage and "how are states mitigating future damage" are different metrics.

For example- Joe & Tom:

Joe was a 2 pack a day smoker for 30 years, but quit 5 years ago, and hasn't touched a cigarette since

Tom has been a half-pack a day smoker for 10 years, and has no intentions of quitting.

There's no doubt that Joe's lungs probably still look way worse than Tom's, but Tom is doing a worse job at preventing additional damage and future negative consequences.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Thank you for your opinion. Florida isn't isolated. And the rate cannot be proven to b a result of a failure to lock down or wear masks. It's a speculation. And I repeat they have not worked world wide.

What is your standard for "worked"?

If your standard is "0 covid" then no, nothing has "worked". But if you want to look at which locales have been able to minimize negative effects, there's clear data to show that some approaches prevent more death than others.

For instance, South Korea and Singapore (where mask wearing was already common), are both high population density countries and both have much lower per capita death rates than the US.

South Korea (a nation of 51 million people) has only had 2,400 deaths
Singapore (a nation of 5 million people) has only had 78 deaths
Florida (a state of of 21 million people) has had 53,000 deaths

Noticing a slight difference in the ratios there?

With regards to the restrictions between US states, they only work as well as people are willing to abide by them.

Obviously, the fact that Illinois has stricter restrictions is meaningless when there's still incidents where they had to bust up 12 house parties in a weekend that looked like this:

Or when California had to bust up parties like this one:

It'd be like saying that seat belts don't work because traffic deaths aren't any lower in an area where, despite having seat belt laws, nobody listens to them and does what they want anyway and doesn't wear a seat belt... no, seat belts work great, but you have to actually wear it in order to reap the benefits.

One can't judge the efficacy of a prescriptive measure based on an area where there's a significant number of people who ignore it, or even pride themselves on going against it.

 

[rjs330]

What is your standard for "worked"?

If your standard is "0 covid" then no, nothing has "worked". But if you want to look at which locales have been able to minimize negative effects, there's clear data to show that some approaches prevent more death than others.

For instance, South Korea and Singapore (where mask wearing was already common), are both high population density countries and both have much lower per capita death rates than the US.

South Korea (a nation of 51 million people) has only had 2,400 deaths
Singapore (a nation of 5 million people) has only had 78 deaths
Florida (a state of of 21 million people) has had 53,000 deaths

Noticing a slight difference in the ratios there?

With regards to the restrictions between US states, they only work as well as people are willing to abide by them.

Obviously, the fact that Illinois has stricter restrictions is meaningless when there's still incidents where they had to bust up 12 house parties in a weekend that looked like this:
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Or when California had to bust up parties like this one:
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It'd be like saying that seat belts don't work because traffic deaths aren't any lower in an area where, despite having seat belt laws, nobody listens to them and does what they want anyway and doesn't wear a seat belt... no, seat belts work great, but you have to actually wear it in order to reap the benefits.

One can't judge the efficacy of a prescriptive measure based on an area where there's a significant number of people who ignore it, or even pride themselves on going against it.

Your correct because lockdowns and mandates don't work. People are people and we find that dictatorial lockdowns are not effective.

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It’s final: Lockdowns don’t work - BusinessWorld

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Joe was a 2 pack a day smoker for 30 years, but quit 5 years ago, and hasn't touched a cigarette since

I've noticed that people who smoke that long tend to rely on the tar to hold their insides together. I've known people who quit after smoking most of their lives and then die shortly after.

But all comparisons fall apart at some point. So no big.

 

[rjs330]

Research on the effect of masks in public schools found schools in Maricopa and Pima counties without a mask mandate were 3.5 times more likely to have COVID-19 outbreaks than those that started the academic year requiring face coverings.

Ninety-two percent of schools with mask mandates in place when the school year started had no outbreaks during the nearly seven weeks of the study, according to a report published Friday.

Arizona State University researchers analyzed data from July 15 to Aug. 31 provided by Maricopa and Pima county public health departments. They also found that the earlier a district implemented a mask requirement, the less likely it was to have an outbreak.

The Arizona Republic

Anecdotal evidence from a school?

Heres some other evidence to consider.

Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't

Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy

Masks Didn't Slow COVID Spread: New Study

Also see my other posts on lock downs. So if Lockdowns not masks are really effective.

And there is plenty of evidence including other countries that prove that then it's time to leave these people alone for crying out loud.

Get off the righteous horse and realize we are dealing with something that is beyond our understanding on how it really works. We had vaccines that were supposed to protect us, now we are getting sick despite them. We had lockdowns and mask mandates yet we still have huge upticks in cases.

Hey off the high horse. There is far too much self righteousness going on here for something that we still haven't gotten a grasp on yet.

I'm done. Wear a mask if you want. Lock yourself down if you want. Live in a cave if you want. I don't care. Leave people alone who don't want to do that.

Quite frankly, that goes for ALL governments too. Quit mandating things. Quit mandating people wear masks. Quit mandating people don't wear masks. Let businesses run how they want. If they want people wearing a mask, let them decide that. If they don't want people wearing masks, let them decide that too. If a business or a church wants to be open let them be open. If they want to close let them.

 

[wing2000]

Anecdotal evidence from a school?

It was a study of a 1,000+ schools...
Association Between K–12 School Mask...

Data were available for 1,020 of 1,041 (98.0%) K–12 public noncharter schools in Maricopa and Pima counties. Twenty-one (2.0%) schools had outbreaks reported <7 days after school began and were excluded from the analyses. Among the 999 (96.0%) schools included in the analysis, 210 (21.0%) had an early mask requirement, 309 (30.9%) had a late mask requirement enacted a median of 15 days after school started (interquartile range = 9–17 days), and 480 (48.0%) had no mask requirement (Table). During July 15–August 31, 2021, 191 school-associated outbreaks occurred, 16 (8.4%) in schools with early mask requirements, 62 (32.5%) in schools with late mask requirements, and 113 (59.2%) in schools without a mask requirement.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

There have been strong measures aimed at mitigating the effects of smoking.

Everything from prescriptive/suggestive measures like federally funded tobacco awareness programs, to more forceful approaches like many states raising the minimum age from 18-21, outright indoor smoking bans, and things like tax incentives for companies who agree to have a smoke-free campuses, as well as hefty taxation on the products themselves.

True, though it doesn't touch the die-hards. Not to mention it isn't a perfect analogy because limiting location where one can engage in a substance is nothing invasive like mandating that one inject a substance.