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Joe Biden and Ron DeSantis Trade Barbs as Florida's Monoclonal Antibodies Restricted

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by ThatRobGuy, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    I think the ACA in the limited stuff it does do has got at least some of the right principals -- that everyone is eligible to be insured, and no one can be denied, and preexisting conditions must be covered, and such.
    What I'd propose is that in addition to those rules, it also be in this health insurance law that insurers be free to charge higher premiums or surcharges for smoking and other well established voluntary (chosen) health risks a person could quit, but chooses not to quit.
     
  2. A_Thinker

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    Vaccines can stop viral diseases when enough people take them. They work by reducing the reproduction number of the virus to below one, ... which keeps it from spreading ...
     
  3. RestoreTheJoy

    RestoreTheJoy Well-Known Member Supporter

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    True.

    We already pay for everyone's bad decisions in America, due to obesity, horrendous diet, drug or alcohol use/overuse, smoking, etc.
     
  4. Isaiah 41:10

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    The whole discussion around monoclonal antibodies seems blown out of proportion.

    You get a treatment that only lasts a month or two, then you have to return again for more treatment month after month after month.

    It's expensive, it takes up time, And it's more responsive than it is proactive. It involves waiting until after you get infected and after you begin transmission to other people, rather than preemptively getting the treatment or preemptively getting vaccinated.

    I could understand it as a response for elderly people who may not have another choice, But a lot of people are making this treatment out to be an equal to vaccination, which just isn't the case. It's only really ideal in circumstances involving breakthrough cases of the elderly and vulnerable.
     
  5. Isaiah 41:10

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    Florida's case to population ratio is the highest in the nation. The majority of states with a high case to population ratio a red states like Tennessee, Indiana, Wisconsin, Georgia, Texas etc.

    Arizona and Illinois are blue state exceptions.
     
  6. cow451

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    IOW, foolish people move to the head of the line.
     
  7. cow451

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    I'm glad we agree that choosing to be unvaccinated is a bad choice. Smokers often pay higher health insurance premiums. Some people with injuries from motor vehicle crashes get lower insurance coverage for their resulting care if the police report notes the individual did not wear a seat belt. I think similar consequences would be appropriate for choosing to make a bad choice about COVID vaccination.
     
  8. cow451

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    What percentage of Americans have been vaccinated against smallpox?
     
  9. Pommer

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    Nobody under 50 is.
     
  10. cow451

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    Great. I can hang out with recently infected polio patients because we all have herd immunity.

    You know more people would get the COVID vaccine if it were dosed in a little cup containing a sugar cube. I thought it tasted great. Made standing in line worth it.

    The smallpox thing was bad. Made a big sore and left a scar. Why would anyone do that to a kid. I shoulda sued because I didn’t have a choice.

    A lot of adults are just weenies today.
     
  11. rjs330

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    Yes it was a bad choice. But no denial of healthcare. It's was a dumb statement to make.
     
  12. ThatRobGuy

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    The difference with those things is that they're
    A) not contagious
    B) things we've been dealing with for a long time so already have the medical infrastructure in place to handle them.

    For instance, hospitals can accurately forecast what kind of resources they'll need to deal with diabetic patients on a yearly basis. If some outside factor/event occurred that tripled that number, you can best believe state governments would be pursuing aggressive mitigation measures.
     
  13. ThatRobGuy

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    Correct, it's in all likelihood going to be endemic. However, it shouldn't be looked at like an on-off switch, but more like a dimmer switch.

    Nobody's been able to turn off the light completely, but certain locales have been able to dim the lights more than others.

    As noted before in my previous post,
    Florida Has the Highest COVID Death Rate in the U.S.

    Florida has the highest death rate in the US. Are you saying that Florida (with the highest death rate) and the state with the lowest death rate should be considered "equal failures" because no state has managed to wipe it out completely?

    That's like saying that the person who got in a low speed fender bender is the exact same as the person who got drunk and plowed into a schoolbus at 70mph because "they both failed to control their vehicle", and then using that to imply that "see, all of these speed limits and sobriety requirements are a waste of time"
     
  14. ThatRobGuy

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    Comparing "totals across the entire pandemic" to "how they're currently handling it" are two totally different things.

    A lot of states botched things early on (NY being a notable example), but then changed course.
     
  15. rjs330

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    Thank you for your opinion. Florida isn't isolated. And the rate cannot be proven to b a result of a failure to lock down or wear masks. It's a speculation. And I repeat they have not worked world wide.
     
  16. rjs330

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    Wasn't NY one if the first to lockdown and have mandates?
     
  17. wing2000

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    Wasn't NY, as an International port of entry, the most exposed to infected travelers from Italy?
     
  18. wing2000

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    Research on the effect of masks in public schools found schools in Maricopa and Pima counties without a mask mandate were 3.5 times more likely to have COVID-19 outbreaks than those that started the academic year requiring face coverings.

    Ninety-two percent of schools with mask mandates in place when the school year started had no outbreaks during the nearly seven weeks of the study, according to a report published Friday.

    Arizona State University researchers analyzed data from July 15 to Aug. 31 provided by Maricopa and Pima county public health departments. They also found that the earlier a district implemented a mask requirement, the less likely it was to have an outbreak.

    The Arizona Republic
     
  19. RestoreTheJoy

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    Not so sure about that, actually. Second hand smoke hurts everyone present, and smokers also tend to come from homes where people smoke. Same with drugs. Obesity hurts everyone (from medical costs, if not physically) and obese people tend to come from homes where overeating is common.

    In that sense, they do spread generation to generation. But if you are vaccinated, immune, masked up, distanced, leave everyone else alone.
     
  20. ThatRobGuy

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    There have been strong measures aimed at mitigating the effects of smoking.

    Everything from prescriptive/suggestive measures like federally funded tobacco awareness programs, to more forceful approaches like many states raising the minimum age from 18-21, outright indoor smoking bans, and things like tax incentives for companies who agree to have a smoke-free campuses, as well as hefty taxation on the products themselves.
     
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