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Here is an exchange between Fauci and Jim Jordon.


I think it is very disappointing that several members of the Republican Party are going at Fauci. Right wing media and some Republican members seem to have an ongoing campaign to discredit Fauci and his messaging on the pandemic.

In this particular instance Jordon was yelling at Fauci. Maybe this was for political theatre, to instil emotions in his base (IDK).
It appeared that he was angry at Fauci for the impact of Covid-19 and the social distancing and lockdowns etc. Which is weird because the disease and the Government in response to the disease is causing these lockdowns, not Fauci.

Ultimately it is the Governors or the Federal government who make the decisions. The scientists only make recommendations. Fauci is an expert in infectious diseases, he isn't an economist, he isn't a psychologist and he isn't government, so his advice is with regards to the disease and not with regards to the economy.

So it really is inappropriate to question Fauci on when the restrictions are going to be removed. Only the governors or the Federal government can make that decision.
Better questions would be "When would Fauci recommend people no longer wear masks, when would Fauci recommend restrictions on mass gatherings be lifted?"

But I would expect that it is more complicated than specifying a date. Trump said it would be lifted by Easter 2020 which was obviously way off the mark. I think it would be more complicated than saying once the public is x% vaccinated as their might be strains that the vaccine doesn't work against.

But I do agree that the government should be formulating under what criteria should restrictions be lifted and Fauci should be one of many experts giving advice on that.

In NZ we have a 4 stage alert system which specified various levels of restrictions. Our government has been pretty clear on what moves us up and down the alert system. But from the outside looking in, USA seems to be a complete mess right now, disease is running rampant, thousands of people dying, I really think it is too early for USA to be arguing about when restrictions are to be lifted. USA folk should be working out how they can flatten their curve, working out why they haven't yet been able to do enough to get the infection rate down, NZ was at this stage in March/April 2020, we dealt with it and now we have very little restrictions internally. No masks, no gatherings limits.


Anyway, I see very little value in yelling at Fauci over restrictions. If only these Republican members who are attacking Fauci could instead get serious about the pandemic, lead by example to get the public to take measures to get the infection rates down, ask constructive and appropriate questions of the expert scientists, challenge the government on the measures taken and why these aren't leading to significant drops in the infection rates.
 

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Here is an exchange between Fauci and Jim Jordon.


I think it is very disappointing that several members of the Republican Party are going at Fauci. Right wing media and some Republican members seem to have an ongoing campaign to discredit Fauci and his messaging on the pandemic.

In this particular instance Jordon was yelling at Fauci. Maybe this was for political theatre, to instil emotions in his base (IDK).
It appeared that he was angry at Fauci for the impact of Covid-19 and the social distancing and lockdowns etc. Which is weird because the disease and the Government in response to the disease is causing these lockdowns, not Fauci.

Ultimately it is the Governors or the Federal government who make the decisions. The scientists only make recommendations. Fauci is an expert in infectious diseases, he isn't an economist, he isn't a psychologist and he isn't government, so his advice is with regards to the disease and not with regards to the economy.

So it really is inappropriate to question Fauci on when the restrictions are going to be removed. Only the governors or the Federal government can make that decision.
Better questions would be "When would Fauci recommend people no longer wear masks, when would Fauci recommend restrictions on mass gatherings be lifted?"

But I would expect that it is more complicated than specifying a date. Trump said it would be lifted by Easter 2020 which was obviously way off the mark. I think it would be more complicated than saying once the public is x% vaccinated as their might be strains that the vaccine doesn't work against.

But I do agree that the government should be formulating under what criteria should restrictions be lifted and Fauci should be one of many experts giving advice on that.

In NZ we have a 4 stage alert system which specified various levels of restrictions. Our government has been pretty clear on what moves us up and down the alert system. But from the outside looking in, USA seems to be a complete mess right now, disease is running rampant, thousands of people dying, I really think it is too early for USA to be arguing about when restrictions are to be lifted. USA folk should be working out how they can flatten their curve, working out why they haven't yet been able to do enough to get the infection rate down, NZ was at this stage in March/April 2020, we dealt with it and now we have very little restrictions internally. No masks, no gatherings limits.


Anyway, I see very little value in yelling at Fauci over restrictions. If only these Republican members who are attacking Fauci could instead get serious about the pandemic, lead by example to get the public to take measures to get the infection rates down, ask constructive and appropriate questions of the expert scientists, challenge the government on the measures taken and why these aren't leading to significant drops in the infection rates.

It would be easier if Fauci had ever been right about anything.
 
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He has too many outside powers feeding the narrative he is responsible to promote.

Fauci is a pop culture hero because he was viewed as disagreeing with Trump in public. That's it. "We hate Trump, Fauci disagreed with Trump, so Fauci is right. He's the expert". But Fauci was the one very early on saying that covid wasn't a problem. As late as March of 2020 he was telling people it was safe to go on a cruise. And of course he said random internet sexual hookups were just fine. And that we were "years away from a vaccine".
 
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But Fauci was the one very early on saying that covid wasn't a problem.
Would it have been beneficial to his handlers to shut this great experiment down too soon? Would it not be more beneficial to see how far people would be willing to go in having their freedoms and livelihoods taken away? Controlling the narrative does not mean acting as a CEO with the ability to lead. It means pushing an agenda and this agenda is affiliated with the WEF, WHO and others.
 
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Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is 'minuscule' NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci says
Misleading, of course.

In context, Fauci was addressing the situation as it existed at the time - mid February 2020 - in the US. And he was likely right - in Feb 2020 your risk was probably miniscule since the virus had not gained a foothold. You are trying to twist this into something completely different - implying that Fauci denied that Covid was a serious problem where it was actually present.
 
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Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is 'minuscule' NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci says

Direct quotes from that interview:

"The risk right now, today, currently, is really relatively low for the American public. But that could change, because what's going on outside of the United States, particularly obviously in China and other countries in which there are travel related cases."

"This could evolve into a global pandemic, which could then have significant implications for us... I we need to realise that this could change".

"Keep in mind that the coronavirus situation could change, which is the reason why we're taking it very seriously. It could be a very serious threat."

"People wearing masks right now is just not relevant. You dont need to be walking around with a mask right now. Masks, quite frankly, are more important for people who are infected, to prevent them from infecting someone else".
Dr Fauci was clearly not saying that coronavirus wasn't a problem, just that it wasn't a problem for Americans right now. He clearly says, on multiple occasions, that this could change and coronavirus could become a global pandemic and it could be a very serious threat.
 
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that this could change and coronavirus could become a global pandemic and it could be a very serious threat.
But until we get to that point just sit back and let it grow.
Some countries and territories let it happen or took a wait and see attitude, some took early steps and shut everything down immediately and avoided the pandemic let alone the curve.
 
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Misleading, of course.

In context, Fauci was addressing the situation as it existed at the time - mid February 2020 - in the US. And he was likely right - in Feb 2020 your risk was probably miniscule since the virus had not gained a foothold. You are trying to twist this into something completely different - implying that Fauci denied that Covid was a serious problem where it was actually present.

Honestly, you're on the wrong side of this. Fauci said the risk was "miniscule". And he said it publicly. Which was the same thing he was telling Trump.
 
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Honestly, you're on the wrong side of this. Fauci said the risk was "miniscule". And he said it publicly. Which was the same thing he was telling Trump.
Was it not Trump who got blamed for not acting fast enough? Who was his advisor?
 
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Was it not Trump who got blamed for not acting fast enough? Who was his advisor?

That's the point of all this. Peter Navarro was telling Trump that the intelligence agencies were reporting a serious problem coming from China and wanted all travel from China stopped. Fauci was saying it wasn't a problem. Trump split the baby and banned travel from Wuhan. The first cases began showing up in the US around February. In March Fauci was telling people publicly that it was okay to go on a cruise ship.
 
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Honestly, you're on the wrong side of this. Fauci said the risk was "miniscule". And he said it publicly. Which was the same thing he was telling Trump.
Look, you got caught in a misrepresentation - I suggest you accept it and move on. We can continue to discuss but it will not help your position.

Both I and another poster have shown through explicating the content of the link you posted that you misrepresented Dr. Fauci. To wit:

"Keep in mind that the coronavirus situation could change, which is the reason why we're taking it very seriously. It could be a very serious threat.

You are clearly distorting - the statement that Dr. Fauci made about a miniscule risk was a statement that described the risk of someone in the US getting covid in February 2020. You are spinning this into a claim that Dr. Fauci misrepresented the fact that Covid is a dangerous, highly contagious disease.

Not the same thing, and I suspect you know this.
 
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