Jews and American Jews

[Beef]

In the Bible it states that we are supposed to support the Jewish People, along with Israel. Does anyone else find it odd that most Jews are very ANTI CHRISTIAN, and are very liberal, especially the American Jews. Do you find it hard to really support a group that as a whole is very left leaning, especially the American Jews?

 

[ERice2nd]

hmmm, if I am not mistaken, the Bible warns us of politics. I am not sure what you mean by left leaning, but Jews have always been anti Christian. at the begining of Christianity Saul (later called Paul) was sent out by the Jewish leaders to condemn and destroy all Christians. at least thats how I remember it, someone tell me if I am wrong.

Saul had a vision though, and later his eyes were opened (literally, as a scale had formed over them). and from that day forward he was known as the apostle Paul.

Isreal is still God's chosen, but they are human like all of us and fall short of glory and perfection. forgive them their hard heartedness and love them anyway as your neighbors as Jesus taught, thats what I believe. and frankly, Jews and Christians share so much in commen with each other, you might as well call them two parts of the same body. left hand and right hand, same head, God.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

most Jews are very ANTI CHRISTIAN, and are very liberal, especially the American Jews.

Do you care to back up the statement that most Jews are "ANTI CHRISTIAN" or explain why being liberal is automatically a bad thing?

 

[Texas Lynn]

In the Bible it states that we are supposed to support the Jewish People, along with Israel. Does anyone else find it odd that most Jews are very ANTI CHRISTIAN, and are very liberal, especially the American Jews. Do you find it hard to really support a group that as a whole is very left leaning, especially the American Jews?

I would also challenge you on that assertion most Jews are very Anti-Christian.

As to the liberalism of American Jews, that is certainly a great point in their favor and illustrates what wonderful people they are.

Then you say they're "left-leaning" so which is it? You realize, of course, there is no "Jewish" political party, right? Jews like Arlen Specter, Benjamin Gilman, Rudy Boschwitz, Eric Cantor, etc. are quite conservative (Specter less so, but he shepherded Bush's supreme Court appointments).

Traditionally American conservative Christian groups, speakers, and writers were antisemitic, but the recent reinterpretation of Revelation that caught on among them made many ala John Hagee very "Pro-israel" (more correctly pro-Likud). Of course when you consider how they interpret things most Jews eventually die they're really not all that pro-Israel to begin with.

 

[2ndRateMind]

I can't help wondering, though, if the hard-line Jewish attitude towards Palestine and Palestinians is not to some extent the result of rejecting a messiah who said 'Love your enemies, and do good to them...'

Best Wishes, 2ndRateMind

 

[Zaac]

In the Bible it states that we are supposed to support the Jewish People, along with Israel. Does anyone else find it odd that most Jews are very ANTI CHRISTIAN, and are very liberal, especially the American Jews. Do you find it hard to really support a group that as a whole is very left leaning, especially the American Jews?

Could you give us Scriptural reference for this so that we can all be on the same page? Thanks.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I can't help wondering, though, if the hard-line Jewish attitude towards Palestine and Palestinians is not to some extent the result of rejecting a messiah who said 'Love your enemies, and do good to them...'

Best Wishes, 2ndRateMind

American Jews still tend to be liberal but hawks on Israel.

As for the modern Israelis, it's more of the warrior state thing; originally Israel was socialist but since through Likud governments became quite conservative, with the alliances with far right religious parties there. Much of it is hubris; they don't see that the Arabs see the nation as reminiscent of the Crusaders. It would have been better if the proposed Israel had been located in Alaska as some proposed. Then we might have prevented Palin's rise.

 

[jamiel]

In the Bible it states that we are supposed to support the Jewish People, along with Israel. Does anyone else find it odd that most Jews are very ANTI CHRISTIAN, and are very liberal, especially the American Jews. Do you find it hard to really support a group that as a whole is very left leaning, especially the American Jews?

Actually, what I don't think the Bible is saying (applying to the present day) is that we're to be in lock-step with Israel's policy regarding the Palestinians. Whatever they say -- we must do -- because God wants it that way.

Remember, Israel hasn't always made the best choices for itself -- and God I believe would agree with that too . . .

I do tend to sense an antagonism from Jews towards Christians, but then again that's just my personal generality. I understand of course the persecution over these many centuries -- but then again there is a time to give it up too. Frankly, I don't think either Jews or Christians still understand each other tremendously well, despite our proximity.

Regarding their left-leaning tendencies -- hey that's a good thing about them!

They know full well what it's like to be a persecuted minority. They evidently (in general) have a hightened sense for justice to be done.

No, I don't find it hard to support them, but I do wish they would open about Jesus Christ.

Traditionally American conservative Christian groups, speakers, and writers were antisemitic, but the recent reinterpretation of Revelation that caught on among them made many ala John Hagee very "Pro-israel" (more correctly pro-Likud). Of course when you consider how they interpret things most Jews eventually die they're really not all that pro-Israel to begin with.

True! Of course Israel will accept the support of the Hagee-types (and esp. any money) but they are right to be skeptical. I sense an undercurrent of anti-semitism despite the "support."

How can you supposedly be such a great supporter of the Jews yet think (yet again) they're going to be mass murdered during the apocolyptic end of days?

So much of what's going on with this is involved with self-interest. So is it really Christian?

American Jews still tend to be liberal but hawks on Israel.

Yes, they're being selective here . . .

Much of it is hubris; they don't see that the Arabs see the nation as reminiscent of the Crusaders. It would have been better if the proposed Israel had been located in Alaska as some proposed. Then we might have prevented Palin's rise.

Hey now that's an idea!


PS: Every nation/empire or leader that has purposely set out to destroy the Jews has or will fail.

However, disagreeing with Israeli policy is NOT the same thing. The US, for example, is not out to get Israel and is its friend, wants to see it succeed (it's the only Democracy in the Middle East!) --

But it shouldn't do so at the expense of another people (and BTW, there are Palestinians who are Christians, our brothers and sisters in Christ, whereas (obviously) the vast majority of Jews aren't).

 

[Sphinx777]

American Jews, or Jewish Americans, are Jews who are American citizens or resident aliens. The United States is home to the second largest Jewish community in the world depending on religious definitions and varying population data. The American Jewish population is roughly 5,167,830, falling slightly behind Israel's population of Jews comprising of roughly 5,567,897.

The Jewish community in the United States is composed predominantly of Ashkenazi Jews who emigrated from Central and Eastern Europe, and their U.S.-born descendants. There is, however, a minority from all Jewish ethnic divisions, as well as a number of converts. The Jewish community in America, therefore, manifests a wide range of Jewish cultural traditions, as well as encompassing the full spectrum of religious observance, from the ultra-Orthodox Haredi communities to Jews who live a secular lifestyle.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Frankly, I don't think either Jews or Christians still understand each other tremendously well, despite our proximity.

That's true. There are various dialogue organizations; I think the National Conference of Christians and Jews is one. Have you seen the advice column jointly written by a rabbi and a Catholic priest? They're very good.

(it's the only Democracy in the Middle East!)

Well, there is also Turkey and Iraq. By some measures though Turkey is not considered part of the Middle East.

 

[Texas Lynn]

American Jews, or Jewish Americans, are Jews who are American citizens or resident aliens. The United States is home to the second largest Jewish community in the world depending on religious definitions and varying population data. The American Jewish population is roughly 5,167,830, falling slightly behind Israel's population of Jews comprising of roughly 5,567,897.

The Jewish community in the United States is composed predominantly of Ashkenazi Jews who emigrated from Central and Eastern Europe, and their U.S.-born descendants. There is, however, a minority from all Jewish ethnic divisions, as well as a number of converts. The Jewish community in America, therefore, manifests a wide range of Jewish cultural traditions, as well as encompassing the full spectrum of religious observance, from the ultra-Orthodox Haredi communities to Jews who live a secular lifestyle.

Sephardic Jews, those of Middle Eastern origins, tend to be more conservative and more likely Likud Party supporters. Yitzak Shamir, the former Likud Prime Minister, is a Sephardic Jew.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In the Bible it states that we are supposed to support the Jewish People, along with Israel. Does anyone else find it odd that most Jews are very ANTI CHRISTIAN, and are very liberal, especially the American Jews. Do you find it hard to really support a group that as a whole is very left leaning, especially the American Jews?

Jews aren't anti Christian as much as they are anti Christ. A non-militant Christ cost them their homeland for two thousand years, with no thanks to him for getting it back. Many Jews have a visceral hatred of Christ, but need the support of the general Christian church so they keep that to themselves.

What the bible says about the Jews is that they are still under a curse, as well as the prophetic destiny of returning to their homeland in the end time. This is not the blessing everyone thinks it is. Their greatest blessing is to live among their Israelite brothers in relative safety.

owg

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Jews aren't anti Christian as much as they are anti Christ. A non-militant Christ cost them their homeland for two thousand years, with no thanks to him for getting it back. Many Jews have a visceral hatred of Christ, but need the support of the general Christian church so they keep that to themselves.

What the bible says about the Jews is that they are still under a curse, as well as the prophetic destiny of returning to their homeland in the end time. This is not the blessing everyone thinks it is. Their greatest blessing is to live among their Israelite brothers in relative safety.

owg

I think this post is more accurate. Jews have a great dislike towards Christ because they think Christ is responsible for they're exile.

However we have to remember that the Jews very actively and willingly persecuted christians during the Apostolic era. Whenever a christian was going to be burned in the colloseum the Jews were always there immediately ready piling up the fire debris to kill our christian brothers. They worked very hard hand in hand with the Pagans during the time of Nero and Trajan in they' re effort to exterminate the christians.

As time went by the Jews became known quite fast as abusers of excessive usary and fraud. This is what led to the dislike for the Jewish community among other groups as the Jews during that time were very buisness-savvy and keen. However their continued abuse of usury over the general public was becoming a well known thing. This is what led later on as people accusing Jews of being greedy and too money oriented, as people believe they're lifestyle hurt the hard working and took advantage of them.

The American Jew today is nothing like the Biblical Hebrew during OT times. It seems many Jews in America are very secular and only a small amount are orthodox and actually follow the OT bible. Many American Jews are very liberal and secular and have totally abandoned they're biblical roots. I find this saddening that many have become so entrenched in secular culture. God tells us they are under a curse because they refuse to follow him. They didn't recognize the messiah when he came and they still tried to cover up his ressurection. Hopefully one day they will uncover they're hard hearts and receive the fellowship of God they once had through Jesus Christ.

 

[Koensayr]

I think this post is more accurate. Jews have a great dislike towards Christ because they think Christ is responsible for they're exile.

However we have to remember that the Jews very actively and willingly persecuted christians during the Apostolic era. Whenever a christian was going to be burned in the colloseum the Jews were always there immediately ready piling up the fire debris to kill our christian brothers. They worked very hard hand in hand with the Pagans during the time of Nero and Trajan in they' re effort to exterminate the christians.

Also, I believe Christians (so-called) did likewise to them as well ... we have never been any better...

I'm not certain that they believe Christ is responsible for their exile as they didn't recognise Jesus as the Messiah in the first place; I feel that, if they hated Christians, it was because of who Christ claimed to be. The very idea of God coming down and becoming a human could be thought of being "extremely nefarious, abominable and profane, sacrilege" according to a Jew on another forum. An example could be when Jesus spoke about Him being the "I AM" and it was only after He said "before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58) that the Jews picked up stones to throw at Him. They never took any action until He said this and wow, didn't they understand the implication!

I also think that the history between supposedly Christian peoples (expulsion of the Jews from many European countries, the Holocaust, etc) and the Jews have tainted some of the modern-day Jews' perspectives of Christianity, understandable I suppose.

I personally think that we are to bless Israel and the Jews because they are God's chosen people and He promises that whoever blesses them will be blessed (Genesis 12:3). That doesn't mean that I agree with everything that they do, but I support them on principle.

In response to the OP, I guess it could be hard if you think of it like that, but we have to remember that they are spiritually blinded at the moment until in the end times 144 000 Christian-Jews will witness that Christ is Lord and also when Jesus will reveal Himself to them when He comes and saves the day in the end times will their eyes be opened. They are just as we were before Christ; I support the Jews on the basis of who they are in the light of God's promises and Covenant, not necessarily on what the basis of what they do or believe, just as I try to do for Christians.

 

[Texas Lynn]

As time went by the Jews became known quite fast as abusers of excessive usary and fraud. This is what led to the dislike for the Jewish community among other groups as the Jews during that time were very buisness-savvy and keen. However their continued abuse of usury over the general public was becoming a well known thing. This is what led later on as people accusing Jews of being greedy and too money oriented, as people believe they're lifestyle hurt the hard working and took advantage of them.

The Turks, in justifying their 1915-1918 genocide of the (Christian) Armenians made the exact same claim about the Armenians.

I believe the fact that both are true to some extent - that Jews were in an abhorent position to Christians and that in another case Christians were in an abhorrent position to another group, in this case relatively secularized Muslims - serves to illustrate that such means by themselves prove nothing. Neither justify genocide.

 

[spidergains]

I think this post is more accurate. Jews have a great dislike towards Christ because they think Christ is responsible for they're exile.

However we have to remember that the Jews very actively and willingly persecuted christians during the Apostolic era. Whenever a christian was going to be burned in the colloseum the Jews were always there immediately ready piling up the fire debris to kill our christian brothers. They worked very hard hand in hand with the Pagans during the time of Nero and Trajan in they' re effort to exterminate the christians.

As time went by the Jews became known quite fast as abusers of excessive usury and fraud. This is what led to the dislike for the Jewish community among other groups as the Jews during that time were very business-savvy and keen. However their continued abuse of usury over the general public was becoming a well known thing. This is what led later on as people accusing Jews of being greedy and too money oriented, as people believe they're lifestyle hurt the hard working and took advantage of them.

The American Jew today is nothing like the Biblical Hebrew during OT times...

Some are. These are the banks that control the Federal Reserve and are behind the bailouts that repeat economic policies before The Great Depression:
$1. Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
$2. Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris
$3.Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
$4. Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
$5. Lehman Brothers of NY
$6. Kuhn, Loeb Bank of NY (Now Shearson American Express)
$7. Goldman, Sachs of NY
$8. National Bank of Commerce NY/Morgan Guaranty Trust (J. P. Morgan Bank - Equitable Life - Levi P. Morton are principal shareholders)
$9. Hanover Trust of NY (William and David Rockefeller & Chase National Bank NY are principal shareholders)

During the Great Depression, these banks bought up property and plant assets for pennies on the dollar. They then sponsored WWII by loaning countries the money to equip their armies, making money no matter who won.

History is repeating itself with this insane bailout pyramid scam. The supposed goal is to acquire enough debt to refill the artificial bubble that makes the derivatives on Wall St. worth something again. However, just as it happened 80 years ago, the Crash will happen again, but it will be more devastating and more global in scope. Like a game of MONOPOLY, these banks will clean up the board and consolidate their wealth and power.

WWIII will soon follow and guess who will financially benefit? The Synagogue of Satan is alive and well in the world. Their tentacles are wrapped around every significant institution in the US--The White House, the Federal Reserve, the US Treasury, the banks, Wall Street, Main St., the media, Hollywood; it's all one big puppet show with Satan pulling the strings.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmud1.htm

http://www.christianparty.net/talmud.htm

 

[Texas Lynn]

Did somebody check Tim Geithner to see if he was circumcised? I cannot believe the old Jewish Bankers Conspiracy Theory is being discussed here...

Hey, did you know the father of the singers Carly and Lucy Simon was the Simon of Simon and Schuster? No doubt the CD The Simon Sisters Sing for Children was part of a plot to impart to the young nefarious Hebraic mysticism.

 

[spidergains]

Did somebody check Tim Geithner to see if he was circumcised? I cannot believe the old Jewish Bankers Conspiracy Theory is being discussed here...
Hey, did you know the father of the singers Carly and Lucy Simon was the Simon of Simon and Schuster? No doubt the CD The Simon Sisters Sing for Children was part of a plot to impart to the young nefarious Hebraic mysticism.

Facts are facts and mockery does not change the financial predicament the US finds itself. The US monetary system is controlled by foreign interests.

The worse crime is that through media manipulation, the Holocaust has replaced the Crucifixion as humanity's greatest crime.
Your pro-choice ribbon is an example of this idolatry and is an abomination to God. See how many murders have taken place this year alone.

http://www.peterrussell.com/Odds/WorldClock.php

5,247,000 deaths
since Jan. 1/09 and counting!​

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This humorous description of the Jewish value system may still be valid:

"Get the money........ Keep the money."

owg

 

[OldWiseGuy]

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In response to the OP, I guess it could be hard if you think of it like that, but we have to remember that they are spiritually blinded at the moment until in the end times 144 000 Christian-Jews will witness that Christ is Lord and also when Jesus will reveal Himself to them when He comes and saves the day in the end times will their eyes be opened.

Actually only 12,000 will be from the tribe of Judah. Not trying start trouble but this belief plays into the Jews hands in that they would love for the other tribes of Israel to remain 'lost'. Although they ceased to be a nation the other families of Israel were never lost to God ("not a grain would fall to earth").

owg