Jewish Israel is a misnomer

[eclipsenow]

That's good.
True Israelites are not the established Church, only individuals and many reject Church beliefs and teachings.

Yes - I think theologians call that concept "The Church Invisible". It's like the real Christians in church - and we've all known people who were there for a while then leave.

But God surely doesn't! My eyes are always upon the Land.... Deuteronomy 11:12 The holy Land is inscribed upon the palms of the Lord's hands, Isaiah 49:14-21 His holy people will live there forever...Psalms 69:32-35, Isaiah 65:9

Then Jesus happened and said he was the temple, the true Israel.
Then "Entering that rest" is about relationship with God, not rest in the land.
Then Acts 1:8 shows the gospel promise opening up to the ENDS OF THE EARTH!
The kingdom is claiming this whole planet, not just some strip of land in the Middle East.
You're trying to contain it in old wine-skins that are just going to burst.

Not yet. It will be when Jesus Returns. Revelation 19:11-21

Some, but not much of OT Prophecy was fulfilled in ancient times.
How can you say a literal understanding of future events, is wrong; before the window for their fulfilment is closed?

What are you going to say when your personal vision is proved wrong by that window closing?

A big Coronal Mass Ejection is the only thing which can literally cause all the graphically Prophesied events. It will be what will happen, Isaiah 30:26a proves it.
What else can God do to resolve the chronic and untenable situation in the Middle East? Zephaniah 1:18....I shall make speedy riddance of all who dwell in the [holy] Land.

First, the Hebrew language - especially prophetic language, is filled with hyperbole. It's worth recognising that is just part of the language.
I haven't studied that Zephaniah verse in detail - but my guess is it is probably one of those layered prophesies that is fulfilled in waves. First in the gospel which leads to AD70, then in true reality on Judgement Day. Just like God judges all his enemies and sin on the cross, and conquers death in the resurrection of Jesus - as a first-fruits. But he will also judge his enemies for real, and banish death itself forever on Judgement Day.

It's half way through 2023.
Your timetable for the middle east will not happen. It's based on your own personal vision - which contradicts the New Testament's vision of itself as sufficient for all our guidance needs). It's also based on misreading what the "Day of the Lord" is in the Old Testament. It's often the language of a local war and judgement.

 

[keras]

Then Jesus happened and said he was the temple, the true Israel.

Yes; Spiritually, but not physically, as the holy Land remains the centre point of God's plan on earth.

Then "Entering that rest" is about relationship with God, not rest in the land.
Then Acts 1:8 shows the gospel promise opening up to the ENDS OF THE EARTH!
The kingdom is claiming this whole planet, not just some strip of land in the Middle East.
You're trying to contain it in old wine-skins that are just going to burst.

Sure, after Jesus Returns, He will rule the entire planet, He doesn't rule anywhere now, except in the hearts of the faithful Christians.

What are you going to say when your personal vision is proved wrong by that window closing?

It will be the fulfilment of the Sixth Seal; worldwide disaster, which actually opens the window to the new era.
A few more years of trials and testing must take place, then comes the glorious Return of Jesus.

It's half way through 2023.

Every day is another day closer to Day when the Lord will send His fiery wrath. Wait for that Day!

 

[eclipsenow]

Every day is another day closer to Day when the Lord will send His fiery wrath. Wait for that Day!

Yet you have the temple rebuilt so the AOD can stand in it by 2026. Not going to happen. When it doesn't how many young people reading your blog are going to chuck out their Christianity with your timetable? I don't think you grasp the sheer disillusionment young people can feel when someone who claims to know stuff - from God himself - turns out to be just another false prophet.

 

[keras]

Yet you have the temple rebuilt so the AOD can stand in it by 2026. Not going to happen. When it doesn't how many young people reading your blog are going to chuck out their Christianity with your timetable? I don't think you grasp the sheer disillusionment young people can feel when someone who claims to know stuff - from God himself - turns out to be just another false prophet.

I do not categorically state when anything is going to happen.
However it is a fact that Jesus was acclaimed as King, killed and then resurrected, I believe: 1993 years ago. This soon will be the third exact 2000 year period since Adam. Which has to be highly significant and cannot be simply brushed aside.

AS for your example to others, I would say that disillusionment would come to anyone who believes that our present state is as good as it's ever going to be and the next thing to take place is the total obliteration of everything. I just don't buy that hopeless and quite unscriptural idea.
It basically means that Gods experiment with mankind has failed.

 

[eclipsenow]

I do not categorically state when anything is going to happen.
However it is a fact that Jesus was acclaimed as King, killed and then resurrected, I believe: 1993 years ago. This soon will be the third exact 2000 year period since Adam. Which has to be highly significant and cannot be simply brushed aside.

I'm brushing it aside. It's utterly irrelevant. Since the gospel reached the ends of the earth in Acts, the Lord has been able to return in full Judgement Day salvation & wrath. All in the one Day of the Lord. Nothing else remains. This is classic Protestant eschatology.

AS for your example to others, I would say that disillusionment would come to anyone who believes that our present state is as good as it's ever going to be and the next thing to take place is the total obliteration of everything. I just don't buy that hopeless and quite unscriptural idea.

Nor do I - are you trying to paraphrase what you think Amils believe? It's not total obliteration - it's upgrading. Translation. Salvation. Restoration. There is some kind of continuity. There's a NHNE - but there's continuity. We'll have bodies. It will be better. And what is hopeless about it? It's been the great hope of the ages! You're obviously so psychologically attached to some weird vision of your little fantasy of a kingdom in the middle east that you've forgotten the great gospel hope of the very real new world we're going to. It's actually quite disturbing that Jesus saving you for Paradise isn't your great hope - but some weird half-way house between heaven and earth is. What on earth is so hopeful about being stuck here on earth - and not being in the new earth?
Make every effort to enter THAT rest - not some half-way house you've concocted here!

It basically means that Gods experiment with mankind has failed.

Nope. It means it is fulfilled and ushering a beautiful new reality where heaven and earth are somehow combined, the great wedding feast where the figurative New Jerusalem 'lands' all over our reality, the great new order where there are no tears, death, or sin. Lord Jesus - please hasten your return! (But the bible gives us every expectation that he could return in 5 seconds or 50,000 years or more - we just don't know!)

 

[eclipsenow]

I do not categorically state when anything is going to happen.

I knew you'd back out as the year drew nearer!
So you no longer hold to your truly wonderful mathematics here?

January 2020 AD - 29.5 AD = 1990.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

1990.5 + 4000 = 5990.5 years, is where we are now. 5990.5 + 9.5 = 6000 years

2020 AD + 9.5 = 2029.5 AD

Exactly 2000 years for the present Church age, until Jesus Returns.
4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

7000 years is God’s decreed time for mankind.

When I repeatedly told you your timetable would not pan out, you assured me you had a vision from God and I was basically just being stubborn and unwilling to believe the truth. EG:

I am just a humble servant of the Most High God. He gave me a task: to promote what His prophets wrote so long ago, because what they wrote then, is about to happen soon. I know this, because in 2010, when I was in the Holy Land; I received a vision from the Lord and inspiration to do this. The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

"I did have a vision and I surely have had help from the HS to do what I have done. Other people have His help, to do evangelism, etc. God has not given so much prophecy to us without some people knowing how the end times will unfold, as Daniel 12:10 says; a few will understand. But the majority, especially those who grip onto false theories, will be shocked and surprised at what will soon happen."
4 Reasons John was writing a gospel sermon about suffering under Rome

"Sure, there were many who foolishly made wrong predictions. The reason for that is found in Daniel 12:4 & 9. They lived years before the end times. I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world, ready for the lead up to His glorious Return. I doesn't take great Biblical qualifications to know what God has planned, in fact such learning is a hindrance to finding the truth."The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

You had a vision, you are one of the few who will understand, and you remain perfectly confident.
Now not so confident?
I knew it.
I knew it!

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Obadiah 1:15-21 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations, they will be treated as they have treated others and their wrong actions will recoil upon themselves. My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath, then all the nations in turn will drink of it and be devastated by it. But in...

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[keras]

So you no longer hold to your truly wonderful mathematics here?

There is nothing wrong with the maths.
There is still time for the fulfilment within the time remaining.

You had a vision, you are one of the few who will understand, and you remain perfectly confident.

I remain confident that all that is Prophesied will be literally fulfilled. [allegories and metaphors aside, they can be explained literally]
Deniers, as yourself will be in a very difficult situation as things happen; unaware and unprepared.

 

[eclipsenow]

I remain confident that all that is Prophesied will be literally fulfilled. [allegories and metaphors aside, they can be explained literally]

Nice dodge! But are you sticking by your maths? Are you saying the Lord returns in mid 2029 - and the AOD stands in the temple 3.5 years earlier? That means 2029.5 - 3.5 = AOD at start of 2026. Remember - you said "I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world".

It's already half way through 2023. So half way through 2026 - in just 3 years - say July 2026 - you'll admit you got it all wrong?

Deniers, as yourself will be in a very difficult situation as things happen; unaware and unprepared.

Meh. I am prepared. I'm saved. That's all that matters. That's what it means to 'remain awake' in the New Testament, to be 'children of the day'.
Stay trusting in the Lord to remove our sin, adopt us as his children, and make us part of his glorious family and kingdom.
Trust that he is King - and I should obey him, and get busy loving my neighbours and being a part of his church and doing good stuff.

The rest of the New Testament tells us just to get on with being Christian precisely because we will NOT know when he is going to return. But that the moment he does, it's Judgement Day and he's going to translate us into the NHNE in the blink of an eye. Done and dusted.

But if you're right - as far as I understand your timetable - I'm still saved and will be with the Lord in the middle east for some weird counter-intuitive reason that has nothing to do with the overall biblical theology I can see.

 

[keras]

But are you sticking by your maths?

The maths is right, But as I posted in another thread, the glorious Return may be delayed 3 1/2 years. Or put on hold at the Seventh Trumpet.

People cannot just deny and reject the exact 2000 year tranches: - Adam to Abram, Abraham to Jesus and now 1993 years since Jesus. , This is a proven fact, using 47 Bible verses and the known date of the Babylonian conquest of Judah in 586 BC, to relate it all to our Calander.

Your, and others: rejection and dismissal of this truth as presented, is a serious matter. Of course, AMill believers already reject and dismiss large chunks of the Bible, whole Chapters, so what's another 47 verses.

I'm still saved and will be with the Lord in the middle east for some weird counter-intuitive reason that has nothing to do with the overall biblical theology I can see.

Do you really read the Scriptures? It doesn't seem so: Psalms 69:32-36, Isaiah 65:9, Romans 9:24-26, and many more that say how the holy people of God will live in all of the holy land.

Meh. I am prepared. I'm saved. That's all that matters.

God didn't think so, because He gave us the Prophetic Word. Telling God that His Prophets have nothing of value or interest to you, is 'meh'?