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Jewish Holocaust Denial agenda for dummies - the ONE basic fact, explained first

Discussion in 'History & Genealogy' started by MattMarriott, Apr 4, 2007.

  1. MattMarriott

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    To expose the "Jewish Holocaust Denial" agenda ONE basic fact is enough.

    1. The film "Holocaust", a series of 6 documentaries from 2000 by Guido Knopp, will not be broadcasted again, after the premiere in 2000.

    Anyone that after watching this series would question "Was there really a Jewish Holocaust?" would be in a similar position to whoever would try to question if Earth is actually round.

    For more on this series, start here.

    The "Jewish Holocaust Denial" agenda

    The "Jewish Holocaust Denial" agenda consists in denying that the Jews were victims of genocide at the hands of the nazis.

    This agenda serves several goals. One of them is to upscale legal terror. Interestingly this is done by packaging this agenda as the opposite, i.e. as if the purpose would be to expose the denial of the Jewish Holocaust.
    This is done primarly using the "Deny the Holocaust and go to jail" hoax, a typical example of "black is white, day is night" within the BIG LIE framework.
    Holocaust Denial Agenda - FAQ - directly related

    If "the illuminati" had a plan in place to fool people into the denial of the holocaust then why is Ernst Zundel in jail right now?
    Answered in link of article. There is NOBODY in jail for denying it. The head of this illuminati group of agents, David Irving, is being promoted by the illuminati media, including TV stations with plenty of interviews.

    Why do I HAVE to read Anne Franks diary, AND take a whole course in Grade school about the halocaust?
    As explained the illuminati are in the process of rewriting the Holocaust. It's a process, they don't change everything from one day to the other.
    Holocaust Denial Agenda - FAQ - not directly related

    Why is the number of 6 million STILL prevail in peoples mind when even the Jews themselves now officialy admit that the number is lower?
    The number of people that were exterminated is NOT the issue at stake. It does not matter if it was three million or six million.
    The psy-op work of rewriting History includes convincing people that questioning that number is part of exposing the holocaust as a hoax.

    BTW, diverting into the discussion of that number is also part of the psy-op work of "NO principles", i.e. convincing people that you can quantify a fundamental value that is above any numbers, in this case the value of human life. This is exactly what happens in the discussion of the maximum legal age for abortion: killing an embryo 90 days old is legal; killing an embryo 91 days old is murder. At least until the next legal revision. And BTW, that's where we enter again "upscale legal terror" territory, which is, as mentioned in article, one of the goals of the "Jewish Holocaust Denial" agenda.

    Important note: Original Article by Matt Marriott published 29 March 2007
     
  2. Steezie

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    Yay! Annother installment of Tin Foil Hat Theatre!

    Not exactly sure what you're driving at but its off-the-wall enough to be entertaining :)
     
  3. pgp_protector

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    I know, it's getting so I actually search out these post :D
     
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  5. aspirine

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    The numbers are important because they are the only thing that make that ethnic slaughter different from all the other ethnic slaughters that have happened in history. Ya wanna weep? Try weeping for the Agonklins who were exterminated my the Iriquoi just before the Europeans arrived. Not that is Genecide. Or how about the English Genecide in Munster?

    It is a drag to have people trying to kill you because of your genes, ask the Tutsi and the Hutu, and it does not matter who is trying to do it to whome.
     
  6. Conspiracy Theory

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    Ok then.
     
  7. ContentInHim

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    Who are the Agonklins? :scratch:



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  8. Conspiracy Theory

    Conspiracy Theory I'm your huckleberry.

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    Part of history, I guess.
     
  9. Dale

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    Matt Marriott in OP:
    "Anyone that after watching this series would question "Was there really a Jewish Holocaust?" would be in a similar position to whoever would try to question if Earth is actually round."

    I have known people whose relatives died in the Nazi Holocaust.

    Have you tried checking the Jewish population of Germany and Austria before and after WWII?
     
  10. aspirine

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    This has some info on the Algonquin Amerindians. I spelled it wrong earlier.

    www. kateritekakwitha. org/ ancestry/ algonquin/ algonquin. htm
     
  11. mindlight

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    There was a systematic holocaust of Jewish people mainly by Germans during the period of dominance by the Nazis. This holocaust was motivated by a sick racist ideology that has been thoroughly discredited on every level.

    What happened cannot and should not be forgotten. It is a tragedy on the scale of the fall of Jerusalem in 586 BC or 70AD. Its consequences are still reverberating through history. There probably would not be a Jewish state of Israel today without the holocaust and the sympathy it evoked in the minds of the allies.

    Those who deny the Holocaust are deeply deceived or worse motivated by evil.

    The event is more disturbing to me than other examples of genocide of people groups because the target was the Jews (for whom God continues to hold a special place). That the Jews were targetted reeks of Satanic plottings in my view. That God allowed this shows a command of history far greater than the narrow lifespans of single individuals. He had his purpose in this and history will see this purpose through to its conclusion.
     
  12. RandytheAtheist

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    Hitler was not trying to exterminate the Jews. He had a very large segment of military personel, some 150,000 strong that were Jewish including Colonels and Admirals. There are many documents of exemption signed by Hitler that gave these Jewish soldiers and their families immunity.

    Instead, Hitler was attempting to rescue his bankrupt country on serveral fronts that began with the Jewish backstabbing of the Versailles Treaty and mushroomed with the Jewish Bolshevik uprising that ultimately led to the creation of the USSR. Hitler often fretted about this Bolshevik party due to their mafia-like attitude which is pervasive in Jewish circles. He also worried about their emerging political ideology of Bolshevism and their plan to mobilize the entire Jewish diaspora in favor of their cause.

    This worldwide mobilization of the Jews is what prompted Hitler to imprison them which ultimately led to the final solution. What began as an attempt to rescue his country from the corrupt Versailles Treaty ended up as a clutter of ill-planned events and wasted efforts based on a war of ideologies between capitalism and communism - a war that would continue to be fought senselessly in Vietnam, Korea, Grenada, Cuba, Berlin, Afghanistan, China and the Cold War Theater.

    Some historians argue that the Holocaust was incited by the Jews themselves for elusive reasons pertaining to their lifestyle. It is rather peculiar that the Jews have managed to be ethnically cleansed from over 70 countries including America at least once very 21 years for the past 19 centuries.

    While not a sympathizer of Hitler, it is important to know both sides of every story to gleam the actual causes of historical events - especially those that seem irrational and poised to repeat itself through new generations that failed to understand the old.

    Cheers ~
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  13. Kalevalatar

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    Re: Jews in Hitler's army, a couple of points to keep in mind:

    1. German soldiers of Jewish faith and/or origin fought in the German army in WWI, being as patriotic as their fellow citizens.

    2. Before nazis, intermarriage was common in Germany.

    3. Jewish identity is considered matrilinear, meaning if your mother is Jewish, you are too. Consequently, even if your father is Jewish but your mother is not, you are not considered Jewish.

    4. Hence, the Jews in Hitler's army were for the most part "1/2 Jews", "1/3 Jews," "1/4 Jews" and so forth, and did not necessarily consider themselves as Jewish or even realize that they had Jewish roots until the nazis started to search them out.

    5. After the rise of nazism, some Germans of Jewish faith converted to Christianity or hid their Jewish identity.

    As to the rest of your post, it's just drivel straight out of Mein Kampf. Hitler, though, was not a historian by any stretch of imagination: Hitler was a school dropout. His uneducated interpretation of German history and events related to WWI merely showcases his lack of understanding and proper education.

    Here, fixed this for you:

     
  14. RandytheAtheist

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    1. German soldiers of Jewish faith and/or origin fought in the German army in WWI, being as patriotic as their fellow citizens.
    Correct. As is any patriot in a war, ethnicity hardly matters as we have seen in WWII with Japanese living in Hawaii fighting the Japanese who lived in Japan. Which side of the line you are born into will determine which side of the story you will fight for.

    2. Before nazis, intermarriage was common in Germany.
    Correct. But it was more than common. It is estimated that nearly half of the population had been assimilated by the time Hitler rose to power making the Nazi Law a convoluted process. Hitler himself may have been partly Jewish which he knew about and took peculiar actions to conceal his origins.

    3. Jewish identity is considered matrilinear, meaning if your mother is Jewish, you are too. Consequently, even if your father is Jewish but your mother is not, you are not considered Jewish.
    Everyone knows this. Thats why Hitler had to sign an exemption for those of matrilinear descent.

    4. Hence, the Jews in Hitler's army were for the most part "1/2 Jews", "1/3 Jews," "1/4 Jews" and so forth, and did not necessarily consider themselves as Jewish or even realize that they had Jewish roots until the nazis started to search them out.
    Incorrect. Many of the mischlinje(sp) were responsible for generating sentiment among the German soldiers and officers. According to Hitler's secretary, a lot of these soldiers often undermined Hitler's orders due to a conflict in ideologies and were often yelled at for "running the war for him".

    5. After the rise of nazism, some Germans of Jewish faith converted to Christianity or hid their Jewish identity.
    Which is why a very large investigation was done by a third party to trace the actual roots of his soldiers which resulted in a shock to the system. We must keep in mind that the Final Solution for the Jews was not decided by Hitler, but by a group of political activists and high ranking officers indicating that there was no original intention on Hitler's part to exterminate the Jews. He merely wanted them evicted. The minutes and legal notes for this meeting was found intact by the Allies and later used in the Nuremburg Trials.

    As to the rest of your post, it's just drivel straight out of Mein Kampf.
    This information is from Britannica Macropaedia and wikipedia.org.

    Hitler, though, was not a historian by any stretch of imagination: Hitler was a school dropout. His uneducated interpretation of German history and events related to WWI merely showcases his lack of understanding and proper education.
    What does a historian have to do with this? Who cares if he knew history or not. The only thing he knew was that the Jews were somehow responsible for the unfair Treaty that his country had to live under and that he detested the growing popularity of bolshevism a.k.a. Jewish communism. These were events that happened in his own lifetime - not in history. He was a witness to the whole thing.

    As far as uneducated, Hitler is considered to be one of the brilliant minds of waging war by being the first to combine elements of Sun Tzu, Caesar and pacifist Buddhism. His ideas and actions are currently studied in depth for a wide range of subjects from political theory and foreign policy to medical care and American football. His knowledge of controlling very large crowds, whole countries and taming enemy activists via pacifism and brainwashing is unrivaled to this day. Unlike the present situation in Iraq, most of Hitler's invasions and takeovers were fast and efficient due to the amount of propaganda he would prepare before entering a foreign country turning its citizens into a form of sheep herd. Hitler's officers were quoted in prison for being swooned by the brilliance of his mind and knowledge, being able to predict social reactions, enemy maneuvers, and complex financial reconstructions. Today, Hitler is considered to be in the top 100 most important people of the 20th century right alongside Albert Einstein and Martin Luther King.

    And thanks for fixing the last part of my post.

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  15. Kalevalatar

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    See, this is where you get off the track: you buy the nazi propaganda uncritically and indiscriminatingly and cite it as if the nazi propaganda version were an accurate historical truth. The concept and word "mischlinge" itself is part of the nazi parlance and as such should not be used indiscriminatingly: it has absolutely no meaning outside the nazi ideology, just as "aryan" race and some such nonsense has no meaning unless one heils for the nazi ideology.

    Just because Fräulein Junge volunteers to retail that "these soldiers" supposedly did undermine Hitler's orders does not necessarily mean it's true and this is what they indeed did. It simply tells us that the nazis needed excuses for their pronounced hatred and persecution of their neighbours. Accusing German soldiers with Jewish backgroung of seditious activity is exactly the kind of vilifying propaganda intended to justify the persecution of Jews.

    Since Hitler's hallusination was that the "International Jewry" was out there to get him, you have to ask, how is a 1/4 Jewish person who is completely ignorant and unaware of his/her partially Jewish background, part of this grand international conspiracy? Would this be a latent quality in their blood, you know, like a "sleeper cell" or something?

    In other words, why was it so important for the nazis to be able to find these people? I can see why a modern day historian would undertake the study, but why did the nazis feel it was important? Any ideas?

    I believe it would better serve us to keep in mind that historians still disagree whether Hitler indeed intented to slaughter the Jews or merely "remove" them, and at what point and by whose orders did the gas chambers come into being. Since evidence has been destroyed and lost, and since orders were also given "off the record" I'll doubt the world will ever know for sure. The results -- the gas chambers and camps and corpses -- if not the intentions, are there for the whole world to see, however.

    Since you don't offer links, it's a bit difficult to assess the information you have used and whether you have misunderstood its purpose.

    However, when you write passages like this "Instead, Hitler was attempting to rescue his bankrupt country on serveral fronts that began with the Jewish backstabbing of the Versailles Treaty and mushroomed with the Jewish Bolshevik uprising that ultimately led to the creation of the USSR" it's drivel straight out of Mein Kampf. In other words, you are citing nazi propaganda and trying to pass it as if it were a legitimate interpretation of history.

    There is a very specific and well-known "backstabbing" myth at work here and I wonder if you realize that. In case you don't, you might want to familiarize yourself with the basics in order to recognize it and avoid falling for it hook line and sinker. Here, The Dolchstosslegende (German: Dolchstoßlegende, literally "Dagger stab legend" often translated into English as "stab-in-the-back myth") refers to a social myth and persecution-propaganda theory popular in Germany in the period after WWI through WWII. And here, "Judeo-Bolshevism" is an antisemitic political epithet and a label for a conspiracy theory which blames Jews for Bolshevism.

    It does matter when you seem to take Hitler's drivel as gospel truth.

    Hitler in his hallusinations falsely believed the Jews to be somehow responsible. Now, no doubt Hitler in his small, sick mind believed this to be true. There is, however, no reason why you or I should buy Hitler's crazy ideas. A person who believes he's been kidnapped by aliens from outerspace no doubt believes it in earnest. Does not make it so, however -- even when he claims he's witnessed the whole thing.

    See my previous answer about the "backstabbing" myth and the "Jewish-Bolsheviks" myth.


    Funny, the same story is told about Napoleon. I guess that's myth making at large.

    As far as Hitler being a brilliant mind, sociopaths are usually smarter-than-avarage, which is why they are so good at manipulating people and manipulating is what sociopaths live for. Truth, honesty, self-criticism and such are not sociopath's strongest suits. Hitler clearly wasn't writing a history book; he was writing a propaganda rant (again, see my previous answers). We should be able to distinguish between the two and not read Mein Kampf as if it were a valid historical narrative of "what happened and why."

    According to Hitler, he had to have his pre-emptive war in Poland -- the war was "forced upon him" -- because Poland was about to attack and conquer the Reich, unless Hitler didn't act first, in self-defence, of course -- if you take Hitler's words for it and believe his "interpretation." Which we shouldn't. Hitler of course was doing what leaders before him and after him have done, which is to demonize the "Other" and foment irrational and baseless fear & hatred in order to make war.

    WWII saw underground resistance/partisan movements, from guerilla warfare to civil disobedience in every country taken over by the nazis as well as in nazi homeland. The Polish and Yugoslav partisan movements are of course the largest and well known. The Danish resitance managed to save almost all Danish of Jewish faith. I'm somewhat sceptical about your assertion about just how succesful Hitler was in pacifying and brainwashing whole countries. The nazi machine knew how to do propaganda, without question. But had Hitler really been *that* succesful, resistance would have been non-existent or virtually non-existent under nazi oppupation. Which isn't the case.

    For such a brilliant mind, his empire did not last very long, did it? Hitler failed to neutralize RAF and consequently failed to take out Britain; he diverted troops to North Africa and opened yet another front there and for what? He started a disastrous operation against the Soviet Union and pretty much sealed his own downfall by declaring war on the United States of America. That's a long series of grave strategic miscalculations. At the end of the WWII, Germany and German economy as well as a good portion of Europe was in ruins. That's Hitler's legacy and it isn't much to celebrate.
     
  16. RandytheAtheist

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    See, this is where you get off the track: you buy the nazi propaganda uncritically and indiscriminatingly and cite it as if the nazi propaganda version were an accurate historical truth.
    The propaganda of the Nazi empire reveals the psychological mind behind the Furher's intentions. It is this exegesis of the propaganda that I am referencing. Their propaganda is their truth in their own eyes. It is their thoughts, their beliefs, their ideals of what they are attempting to accomplish. We cannot deny what they have said for it has been recorded in history. Funny that you should deny their propaganda as truth since their propaganda is the only hint of Hitler's intentions to create a systematic genocide. There are no other records, documents or witnesses of a plan to exterminate made by Hitler.

    The concept and word "mischlinge" itself is part of the nazi parlance and as such should not be used indiscriminatingly: it has absolutely no meaning outside the nazi ideology, just as "aryan" race and some such nonsense has no meaning unless one heils for the nazi ideology.
    Every society has a word for "mixed people" such as the metis from France, the Gentiles from the Jewish Nation and Haole from the Hawaiian dialect. These words have gone through innocent connotations to negative slangs depending on the social situations at the time.

    Just because Fräulein Junge volunteers to retail that "these soldiers" supposedly did undermine Hitler's orders does not necessarily mean it's true and this is what they indeed did.
    You are now fabricating the accounts at Nuremburg to satisfy your own idea of history. The mischlinge have testified in court and even corroborated with actual notes and minutes recovered by Allied forces.

    It simply tells us that the nazis needed excuses for their pronounced hatred and persecution of their neighbours. Accusing German soldiers with Jewish backgroung of seditious activity is exactly the kind of vilifying propaganda intended to justify the persecution of Jews.
    Incorrect. It only tells us that Hitler made exemptions to someone of Jewish background. Thats it. You are painting your own version of intent where there is none.

    Since Hitler's hallusination was that the "International Jewry" was out there to get him,
    Not entirely correct. Hitler worried that the Jewish diaspora would take over Europe and reduce human living conditions to their own agendas. He detested the Bolshevik party and their idea of communism which began to grow in popularity after the famous Jew, Karl Marx, wrote his proposition on class struggles. Hitler's fear was based on the October Revolution where the world witnessed the power of Jewish uprisings. He would later use their successful tactic of mass propaganda to overthrow territories planned for his occupation.

    In other words, why was it so important for the nazis to be able to find these people? I can see why a modern day historian would undertake the study, but why did the nazis feel it was important? Any ideas?
    Because the Jewish who were segregated for deportation complained about soldiers who were not being segregated. They saw unfair treatment as a hypocrisy. Since Hitler detested hypocrisy, he ordered the investigation of this enlarging rumor.

    I believe it would better serve us to keep in mind that historians still disagree whether Hitler indeed intented to slaughter the Jews or merely "remove" them, and at what point and by whose orders did the gas chambers come into being.
    And as I said, its funny that you should deny the "evidence" of the Nazi propaganda. It is the only way that we can connect the Holocaust to Hitler's intent.

    In other words, you are citing nazi propaganda and trying to pass it as if it were a legitimate interpretation of history.
    It is a source of Hitler's own world views. And it is his world view that we're discussing here. Hitler did indeed hate the Bolsheviks. He ranted about it in dinner conversations as well as public speeches. Hitler did indeed hate the Versailles Treaty. He wrote two books about it. We cannot deny these events for they have been recorded in history. Hitler was not a lunatic that wanted to wage war for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He wanted to wage war based upon his own unique microcosm of reason and what he believed to be a well-thought rational plan. Waging a world war is not something that one does for the fun of it. There is a reason why Hitler decided to open with the King's Gambit and his propaganda is the key to understanding his intent.

    Here, The Dolchstosslegende (German: Dolchstoßlegende, literally "Dagger stab legend" often translated into English as "stab-in-the-back myth") refers to a social myth and persecution-propaganda theory popular in Germany in the period after WWI through WWII. And here, "Judeo-Bolshevism" is an antisemitic political epithet and a label for a conspiracy theory which blames Jews for Bolshevism. Hitler in his hallusinations falsely believed the Jews to be somehow responsible. Now, no doubt Hitler in his small, sick mind believed this to be true.
    The Bolsheviks and Mensheviks were Jewish. Karl Marx was Jewish. Stalin was thought to be a Jew. Lenin was part Jew. Trotsky, Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigori Zinoviev, Karl Radek, Maxim Litvinov, Moisei Uritsky - all Jewish leaders of the USSR. But the most detested Jewry that Hitler saw was the formation of the Chekas - a Jewish group from the Bolshevik party that commited attrocities that make Hitler's crimes look like a toy. What was Hitler supposed to believe? In fact, what was the "world" supposed to believe? Antisemitism was worldwide during those times including America where Jews were banned from access to residential and resort areas, memberships and organizations, and from working at schools and universities. Common lynching of the Jews in the South and along our East coast prompted the formation of today's Anti-Defamation League.

    Hitler of course was doing what leaders before him and after him have done, which is to demonize the "Other" and foment irrational and baseless fear & hatred in order to make war.
    Mein Kampf was Hitler's first attempt to persuade the general public into his world view prior to his rise to power. Thus, it was not an actual treatise of his ideas. His actual ideas can be found in the speeches to his advisors and his military commanders.

    WWII saw underground resistance/partisan movements, from guerilla warfare to civil disobedience in every country taken over by the nazis as well as in nazi homeland.
    These resistance movements did not appear until the German War Machine began its decline. Also, they were not anything like the insurgents we are currently encountering in Iraq.


    I'm somewhat sceptical about your assertion about just how succesful Hitler was in pacifying and brainwashing whole countries. The nazi machine knew how to do propaganda, without question. But had Hitler really been *that* succesful, resistance would have been non-existent or virtually non-existent under nazi oppupation. Which isn't the case.
    On March 12, 1938, Hitler convinced Austria into unification with Germany and made a triumphal entry into Vienna on March 14. Next, he peacefully annexes Czechoslovakia. This led to the Munich Agreement of September 1938 which, as a result of the summit, Hitler was TIME magazine's Man of the Year. British prime minister Neville Chamberlain hailed this agreement as "Peace in our time". Hitler then ordered Germany's army to enter Prague on March 15, 1939 and from Prague Castle proclaimed Bohemia and Moravia a German protectorate. After that, Hitler annexes the Free City of Danzig and the Polish Corridor. On August 23, 1939, Hitler concluded a secret non-aggression pact (the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) with Stalin agreeing to partition Poland. On September 1, Germany invaded the western portion of Poland. Britain and France, who had guaranteed assistance to Poland, declared war on Germany. Not long after this, on September 17, Soviet forces invaded eastern Poland. In April 1940, Hitler ordered German forces to march into Denmark and Norway. In May 1940, Hitler ordered his forces to attack France, conquering the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Belgium in the process. France surrendered on June 22, 1940. This series of victories convinced his main ally, Benito Mussolini of Italy, to join the war on Hitler's side. After having his overtures for peace systematically rejected by the defiant British Government, now led by Winston Churchill, Hitler ordered bombing raids on the British Isles, leading to the Battle of Britain, a prelude of the planned German invasion.

    For such a brilliant mind, his empire did not last very long, did it? Hitler failed to neutralize RAF and consequently failed to take out Britain; he diverted troops to North Africa and opened yet another front there and for what? He started a disastrous operation against the Soviet Union and pretty much sealed his own downfall by declaring war on the United States of America. That's a long series of grave strategic miscalculations.
    Hitler's downfall did not happen because of these "miscalculated fronts". His downfall occured because of the weather. The Soviets were so badly defeated that it took an act of extreme winter to help them. His downfall also occured because of his health - the development of Parkinsons. From here on out, the quality of the German war machine became very erratic and this is where the resistance movements begin to form including resistance in his own Nazi party.

    At the end of the WWII, Germany and German economy as well as a good portion of Europe was in ruins. That's Hitler's legacy and it isn't much to celebrate.
    Hitler's legacy spawned the creation of the United Nations, the World Bank, the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund, the creation of Israel, the independance of India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Indochina from UK Imperialism and technologies such as nuclear science, the guided missile, the jet engine and most notably, the dawn of the computer. Thats more legacies left by one man than any other human in history.

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    Then perhaps you should consider rewording, because when you write that "Hitler was attempting to rescue his bankrupt country on serveral fronts that began with the Jewish backstabbing of the Versailles Treaty and mushroomed with the Jewish Bolshevik uprising that ultimately led to the creation of the USSR," it reads awfully lot as if you were trying to suggest this is indeed what Hitler did.

    That Hitler hallusinated he was doing this means nothing in the real world and against real historical context as there was no Jewish conspiracy, no Jewish Bolshevik uprising (as it was an ideological movement of atheistic nature) and no "Jewish backstabbing of the Versailles Treaty." Versailles Treaty was a victor's treaty, to be sure, but its perceived unfairness had nothing to do with people of Jewish faith.



    On my part, I find it sad that you choose to use this argument, as it's the classic cliché used by the Holocaust nay-sayers. I wonder if you are aware of this?

    There are, however, the camps and corpses bearing witness to what took place in nazi Germany.

    The saddest part of the Holocaust is that Hitler usually bears all the blame. When the fact is, he did not do it alone. He could not have done it alone. It was his minions and the German citizens on all levels who carried out the deed. Hitler did not scour houses for people of Jewish faith; someone else did it for him. Hitler did not stand guard at Auschwitz; someone else did it for him. Hitler did not personally do cruel medical experiments on someone else's kids; he allowed Mengele and his ilk do it. I suppose today we would say he outsourced the Holocaust.

    Except, of course, there was no "mixed people" in Germany. If anything, there was full-blooded German people, seeing as the notion of "aryan race" is pure humbug. It's not a "quality in blood" or whatever and thus cannot be "mixed" or "tainted" or whatever.


    In what capacity did these persons testify? Were they themselves accused of war crimes? Perhaps you could give me some pointers -- a name, the number of the trial, a quote, a secondary source -- and I'll look into it.

    I repeat my earlier question. Was the "Jewishness" a sleeper cell in their blood that just made these German soldiers act accordingly -- even when they were unaware of their own "Jewishness"?

    Yes, because he needed the army.

    Oh, the intent is there. The whole society at the time was saturated with the hallusination that the Jews were the root of all evil and were working to undermine the German society. Hence the "backstabbing" myth and "Jewish-Bolsheviks" myth. And hence the camps and corpses.

    Hitler, of course, was wrong. There was no "international Jewish conspiracy", not even a communist Jewish conspiracy.

    Now, what does it say about Hitler and his "leadership" that he based his whole policy on false premises and took action accordingly, and took his country to war, again, based on a delusion?

    Now really? Now that's interesting. So how did these Jews (supposedly) know that there were soldiers in Wehrmacht who were perhaps 1/4 Jewish -- when these German soldiers never thought themselves as Jewish, were perhaps completely unaware of any Jewish connection in their family, were perhaps baptized, and came from families that were highly assimilated German families?

    The story you are trying to pass here is that somehow these Jews looked at the faces of their fellow Germans and somehow saw that there was a Jewish ancestor somewhere there. Who knows, maybe I have an Orthodox ancestor, but it's not like it shows on my face. Isn't it a fact that the nazis had to go back to the archives and really dig to find their unsuspecting victims?

    You're making this up as you go, aren't you?


    Wrong. There are the camps and corpses, of course, clear evidence of what actually took place in Hitler's Reich. I'm in no way trying to deny that evidence. How about you?

    And Hitler, of course, was wrong. He adopted a genocidial policy over a delusion, a bug in his own brain.

     
  19. BibleMadeMeDoIt

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    I'm reading a book on the Freikorps of Germany and many of the important figures who were leaders in the revolution of 1918 were indeed Jewish socialist and communist. Interesting enough though, their Jewish backgrounds was not a reason for the murders and assinations, just their political association. And there was an international effort to bring the German government and Hitler down through economic boycotts, which did put a huge dent in the German economy.

    Yes there were lots of corpes, and there was also no way to know who was a Jew and who was a Catholic Pole, Gypsie or German communist by just looking at the naked dead bodies. Many people still today have no clue that not just Jews died in the Holocaust. The Nazis first targets were German opposition of any ethnicity or religion, then Polish, by denying and ignoring their deaths we are ignoring history.

    While I do not deny the Holocaust, I can clearly see how holocaust revisionist or deniers can say that Hitler and the Nazi's were not just out targeting the Jews. We have plenty of speeches, books and other Nazi material to understand what was going on, and the topic of Jews was not an issue until after the 1933 international boycott of Germany. Before that everything was against Poles, communist, socialist and anyone else that was not along for the great German empire ride.
     
  20. Steezie

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    Actually yes there was.

    Each person was branded with a number. This number corresponded to a file. This file gave detailed information about each prisoner, including thier "crimes"
     
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