Since this seems to be an in house problem I am making this for MJ only. Please only those who are MJ or who are members of this forum participate. 
Thanks!
Now, I have been noticing something , some thing growing on the forum as of late. It has peeked it's head up once in awhile but lately it's been more blatant, not as subtle, more, hit you in your face and I think it's time it needs to be addressed.
I knew what it was but not what it was called. It reeked of childhood playgrounds or nursery schools where children had not yet learned to share.
It brought to mind the movie, Nemo, where the cries of the gulls upon spotting any 'food' repeated 'mine', 'Mine', "MINE' over and over.
This same line runs throughout many of the threads here making certain ones feel second class. But over and over when I see this I know in my heart (or should I say the one who lives there) this is wrong. This is not what the L-RD wants.
First born does not mean first class, nor does second born mean second class.
Wasn't afterall, Jacob the second born? He was not chosen because he was the first born but he was chosen because he loved G-d.
Anyway, as I said this has been bothering me for a long long time. As I said, it ebbs and flows, but I've noticed it does so because of certain members who come and go.
I'm seeing those who are proponents of this urge others to do the same.
We have been trying very hard to bring about a oneness, a harmony to this forum, yet it seems that the opposite is being done, at least some undermining is going on.
So I'll get right down to it, G-d in his wisdom, separated out a people to be his own. He called them from a man who was genetically pure and who wanted to turn away from his heathen ways and follow the true G-d and him alone. For his faith and works he was promised an inheritance of families and a land to house them.
They were given rules to help them from falling back into idolatry being always surrounded by heathens, but many times as humans they fell short.
There came a time though when the promised one arrived and walked the earth. He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Now this can be interpreted in many ways. Were they lost because they had been dispersed or because they had turned away and needed to make teshuvah? I think it could be both. Either way, Yeshua taught this on the mountain:
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always." 35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?" 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, "Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
Now if that is true, and from the Messiah should we not believe it? It means that those who truly come to him are being drawn to him, by G-d because only G-d knows who belongs to him.
Now it has been almost two thousand years and since that Gentiles have proclaimed that the Torah given at the mountain, the feasts, the foods, etc are those of the Jews. Christians were told not to do any of these things, specifically not to rest on the Sabbath. Why? because these were the things that the Jews did and the 'Jews killed Christ'. This is embedded in both the history of the Christians and Jews, this line is drawn. But I tell you this is a lie from hell, a doctrine and propaganda to keep G-d from having his children, all of them obeying him.
The enemy after being defeated at the cross went for one last shot.
He knew that the Messiah could not lie therefore he could not come back until the Jews accepted him. So what to do? First have the Jews accused of deicide which set up a hatred that still exists today. Then keep those who say they believe in the Jewish Messiah from Keeping his commandments because they were labeled the Jews, laws, feasts, holy days, etc.
Instead of bringing together the whole family a great separation was instigated. And it still continues today.
We have Jews who have become believers in Jesus, some call him Yeshua, but in this belief they also inherit the lies of what belongs to whom.
The feasts for example as many of you have debated, do not belong to the Jews, they are the L-RDs feasts. The Jews did not make them up, they were given them to keep. However there are some Jews who are believers in Messiah that think they belong to them alone, they are not for the Gentiles. And I agree, not for the Gentiles at large.
But what of those who have drawn near to G-d and chosen to keep his commandments?
I remember back over a decade ago when I found out that my Grandmother was Jewish and had 'converted' to Christianity when she married my Grandfather. It was a hard blow. But the thing is, that I had grown away from the church, I did not think what was happening there was the truth and nothing but the truth and went to study on my own. I took courses, listened to a radio station we had that broadcast only christian programs and music. I got heavily into studying the Torah, falling in love with Genesis on the way.
After many years I was drawn to get together with believers and started a long road of different churches and congregations. None of them fit, something was missing. I then online learned of MJ and went to visit a congregation and felt immediately at home! I learned of the feasts, kept Shabbat, attended conferences, classes, etc. After about 3 years of this is when I found out about my Grandmother. Needless to say I was upset. And angry. She was gone and I couldn't ask her anything. I felt betrayed, like one who was adopted but was never told.
I cried out to G-d "Why?" Why didn't you tell me this?" I believed that HE was the one who lead me to do as I had been doing, aligning myself with his word, keeping his holy days, no longer keeping the others, keeping Shabbat, etc.
His answer was - I wanted you to do it out of love for me, not because you felt obligated because you are of Jewish blood.
I was floored, I should have seen it, but I didn't. But it makes perfect sense. But I was not raised Jewish, nor my mother, except in a secular way, but my Grandmother was not just a marriage convert like many Goyim that marry Jews and have a fake conversion, but she truly loved the L-RD, her life revolved around Jesus and she was always in church.
So I consider myself Jewish in some sense but not Gentile because that includes all others. I basically consider myself a child of G-d by choice, not birth, I obey Him because I love him and was drawn to him, as Yeshua said.
Now I don't think this means that everyone drawn to MJ has 'Jewish blood', G-d knows, but he knows also who belongs to him and they are sprinkled everywhere, therefore He knows who is his and thus draws them towards his son.
I think the problem on here is that some are locked into 'being Jewish' moreso than being a child of G-d. And this is where Jewish Ethnocentricity comes in. There are many Jews who do not accept Yeshua as Messiah that believe in the separation from the nations still and that gentiles marrying Jews will dilute the Holy Blood, but now I think that G-d is working through his Son to bring those back to him who were previously lost. I've seen many a Jew marry a Gentile because of attraction, and this Gentile was a Christian and later find out they were descended from conversos. Is it a coincidense? I think not. But that still gives no one the right to say, the Torah is for Jews only to those who have been drawn to it.
I don't believe in forcing it on anyone and 99% of those in the Christian churches are more than happy to live without it, those that are drawn usually come out and find MJ.
To stop those who are being drawn is nothing short of being a Pharisee in the way Yeshua spoke of making converts as well as speaking of the kingdom where they were not entering as well as keeping others out.
He also spoke about keeping the commandments and that sure, you will end up in the kingdom, but if you teach others not to keep them you will be in the 'nose bleed' section which is far from the throne.
And yet those who are of the nations and have been called out and who are G-d fearers whom Peter proclaimed G-d made no distinction between are told that the Torah is not for them, they must remain unclean?
This has to stop. Those who are drawn by G-d and really could it be by the adversary or just human being that want to subject themselves to this, com'mon! should not be discouraged from doing so. No it does not entitle them to call themselves Jews, but a child of G-d or a G-d fearer.
Yeshua said, suffer the little children to come unto me. Was he just speaking about kids? Or the children of G-d being drawn to him?
Why is it those who are drawn to Judaism from the nations allowed to 'convert' and be accepted by Jews as Jews, but this doesn't hold for Gentiles who are drawn to MJ and be accepted as the same?
This Jewish ethnocentrism on this forum needs to stop and now.
Pushing out the Gentiles who want to draw near to G-d is not what He wants.
Who are the True Saints, not by man but by G-d?
Here is the steadfastness of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Now who are they? Are they Jews, are they Gentiles or a totally different group, the children of G-d?
Thanks!Now, I have been noticing something , some thing growing on the forum as of late. It has peeked it's head up once in awhile but lately it's been more blatant, not as subtle, more, hit you in your face and I think it's time it needs to be addressed.
I knew what it was but not what it was called. It reeked of childhood playgrounds or nursery schools where children had not yet learned to share.
It brought to mind the movie, Nemo, where the cries of the gulls upon spotting any 'food' repeated 'mine', 'Mine', "MINE' over and over.
This same line runs throughout many of the threads here making certain ones feel second class. But over and over when I see this I know in my heart (or should I say the one who lives there) this is wrong. This is not what the L-RD wants.
First born does not mean first class, nor does second born mean second class.
Wasn't afterall, Jacob the second born? He was not chosen because he was the first born but he was chosen because he loved G-d.
Anyway, as I said this has been bothering me for a long long time. As I said, it ebbs and flows, but I've noticed it does so because of certain members who come and go.
I'm seeing those who are proponents of this urge others to do the same.
We have been trying very hard to bring about a oneness, a harmony to this forum, yet it seems that the opposite is being done, at least some undermining is going on.
So I'll get right down to it, G-d in his wisdom, separated out a people to be his own. He called them from a man who was genetically pure and who wanted to turn away from his heathen ways and follow the true G-d and him alone. For his faith and works he was promised an inheritance of families and a land to house them.
They were given rules to help them from falling back into idolatry being always surrounded by heathens, but many times as humans they fell short.
There came a time though when the promised one arrived and walked the earth. He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Now this can be interpreted in many ways. Were they lost because they had been dispersed or because they had turned away and needed to make teshuvah? I think it could be both. Either way, Yeshua taught this on the mountain:
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always." 35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven." 42 And they said, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, 'I have come down from heaven'?" 43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, "Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught by God.' Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.
Now if that is true, and from the Messiah should we not believe it? It means that those who truly come to him are being drawn to him, by G-d because only G-d knows who belongs to him.
Now it has been almost two thousand years and since that Gentiles have proclaimed that the Torah given at the mountain, the feasts, the foods, etc are those of the Jews. Christians were told not to do any of these things, specifically not to rest on the Sabbath. Why? because these were the things that the Jews did and the 'Jews killed Christ'. This is embedded in both the history of the Christians and Jews, this line is drawn. But I tell you this is a lie from hell, a doctrine and propaganda to keep G-d from having his children, all of them obeying him.
The enemy after being defeated at the cross went for one last shot.
He knew that the Messiah could not lie therefore he could not come back until the Jews accepted him. So what to do? First have the Jews accused of deicide which set up a hatred that still exists today. Then keep those who say they believe in the Jewish Messiah from Keeping his commandments because they were labeled the Jews, laws, feasts, holy days, etc.
Instead of bringing together the whole family a great separation was instigated. And it still continues today.
We have Jews who have become believers in Jesus, some call him Yeshua, but in this belief they also inherit the lies of what belongs to whom.
The feasts for example as many of you have debated, do not belong to the Jews, they are the L-RDs feasts. The Jews did not make them up, they were given them to keep. However there are some Jews who are believers in Messiah that think they belong to them alone, they are not for the Gentiles. And I agree, not for the Gentiles at large.
But what of those who have drawn near to G-d and chosen to keep his commandments?
I remember back over a decade ago when I found out that my Grandmother was Jewish and had 'converted' to Christianity when she married my Grandfather. It was a hard blow. But the thing is, that I had grown away from the church, I did not think what was happening there was the truth and nothing but the truth and went to study on my own. I took courses, listened to a radio station we had that broadcast only christian programs and music. I got heavily into studying the Torah, falling in love with Genesis on the way.
After many years I was drawn to get together with believers and started a long road of different churches and congregations. None of them fit, something was missing. I then online learned of MJ and went to visit a congregation and felt immediately at home! I learned of the feasts, kept Shabbat, attended conferences, classes, etc. After about 3 years of this is when I found out about my Grandmother. Needless to say I was upset. And angry. She was gone and I couldn't ask her anything. I felt betrayed, like one who was adopted but was never told.
I cried out to G-d "Why?" Why didn't you tell me this?" I believed that HE was the one who lead me to do as I had been doing, aligning myself with his word, keeping his holy days, no longer keeping the others, keeping Shabbat, etc.
His answer was - I wanted you to do it out of love for me, not because you felt obligated because you are of Jewish blood.
I was floored, I should have seen it, but I didn't. But it makes perfect sense. But I was not raised Jewish, nor my mother, except in a secular way, but my Grandmother was not just a marriage convert like many Goyim that marry Jews and have a fake conversion, but she truly loved the L-RD, her life revolved around Jesus and she was always in church.
So I consider myself Jewish in some sense but not Gentile because that includes all others. I basically consider myself a child of G-d by choice, not birth, I obey Him because I love him and was drawn to him, as Yeshua said.
Now I don't think this means that everyone drawn to MJ has 'Jewish blood', G-d knows, but he knows also who belongs to him and they are sprinkled everywhere, therefore He knows who is his and thus draws them towards his son.
I think the problem on here is that some are locked into 'being Jewish' moreso than being a child of G-d. And this is where Jewish Ethnocentricity comes in. There are many Jews who do not accept Yeshua as Messiah that believe in the separation from the nations still and that gentiles marrying Jews will dilute the Holy Blood, but now I think that G-d is working through his Son to bring those back to him who were previously lost. I've seen many a Jew marry a Gentile because of attraction, and this Gentile was a Christian and later find out they were descended from conversos. Is it a coincidense? I think not. But that still gives no one the right to say, the Torah is for Jews only to those who have been drawn to it.
I don't believe in forcing it on anyone and 99% of those in the Christian churches are more than happy to live without it, those that are drawn usually come out and find MJ.
To stop those who are being drawn is nothing short of being a Pharisee in the way Yeshua spoke of making converts as well as speaking of the kingdom where they were not entering as well as keeping others out.
He also spoke about keeping the commandments and that sure, you will end up in the kingdom, but if you teach others not to keep them you will be in the 'nose bleed' section which is far from the throne.
And yet those who are of the nations and have been called out and who are G-d fearers whom Peter proclaimed G-d made no distinction between are told that the Torah is not for them, they must remain unclean?
This has to stop. Those who are drawn by G-d and really could it be by the adversary or just human being that want to subject themselves to this, com'mon! should not be discouraged from doing so. No it does not entitle them to call themselves Jews, but a child of G-d or a G-d fearer.
Yeshua said, suffer the little children to come unto me. Was he just speaking about kids? Or the children of G-d being drawn to him?
Why is it those who are drawn to Judaism from the nations allowed to 'convert' and be accepted by Jews as Jews, but this doesn't hold for Gentiles who are drawn to MJ and be accepted as the same?
This Jewish ethnocentrism on this forum needs to stop and now.
Pushing out the Gentiles who want to draw near to G-d is not what He wants.
Who are the True Saints, not by man but by G-d?
Here is the steadfastness of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Now who are they? Are they Jews, are they Gentiles or a totally different group, the children of G-d?
I would love to hear what our members think about this as well. 
