Jewish and Christian Kingdoms

[5thKingdom]

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The first passage below represents a group of people.
The second passage represents a different group of people.


The question is simple:
(1) Who in history is represented by the group in v2-7
(2) Who in history is represented by the group in v8-14


Mat 22:2-7
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a
marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that
were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he
sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold,
I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and
all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light
of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully,
and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and
he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned
up their city.


Mat 22:8-14
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which
were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and
as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out
into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found,
both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And
when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had
not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest
thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him
away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and
gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.


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[keras]

The question is simple:
(1) Who in history is represented by the group in v2-7
(2) Who in history is represented by the group in v8-14

1/ The House of Judah, the Jewish people, still in rejection of Jesus.
2/ The House of Israel, now the Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language.
The ones who didn't have a wedding garment, will be Christians in name only, not clothed in righteousness. Revelation 16:15

 

[5thKingdom]

1/ The House of Judah, the Jewish people, still in rejection of Jesus.
2/ The House of Israel, now the Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language.
The ones who didn't have a wedding garment, will be Christians in name only, not clothed in righteousness. Revelation 16:15

Correct!
The first group represents the Jewish people and
The second group represents the Christian people

So you have JUST AGREED that the Jewish people
are called a "Kingdom of Heaven".

Welcome to Biblical Truth.

Mat 22:2
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,

The Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" was given to the
people "harvested" by Jesus and His Disciples into
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"


Mat 13:47-50
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down,
and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come
forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall
cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing of teeth.


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[keras]

So you have JUST AGREED that the Jewish people
are called a "Kingdom of Heaven".

The Christian Jews are grafted onto the Olive tree that is Jesus. They are our brethren.
But the rest of the Jews; 99.5%, are not. They belong to another god. Rev 2:9

As for your ideas of five Kingdoms, I simply do not see any point in it.
There is only one God and therefore one Kingdom. Jesus will reign as King in it for 1000 years, then He hands the Kingdom back to the Father. 1 Cor. 15:24

 

[Douggg]

2/ The House of Israel, now the Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language.

Following Gog/Magog, and 7 years later the Armageddon event....

Ezekiel 39
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

The house of Israel does not fit now being the Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language.

 

[Douggg]

The question is simple:
(1) Who in history is represented by the group in v2-7
(2) Who in history is represented by the group in v8-14

The two passages are parables that the Jews would reject Jesus. And that the gentiles would embrace Jesus.

It is not indicating that there are multiple Kingdoms of Heaven.

 

[5thKingdom]

The Christian Jews are grafted onto the Olive tree that is Jesus. They are our brethren.
But the rest of the Jews; 99.5%, are not. They belong to another god. Rev 2:9

As for your ideas of five Kingdoms, I simply do not see any point in it.
There is only one God and therefore one Kingdom. Jesus will reign as King in it for 1000 years, then He hands the Kingdom back to the Father. 1 Cor. 15:24

No Buddy....

Whether you LIKE it or not, you have already
identified what Jesus NAMED as the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2]

And you have already identified what Jesus NAMED
as the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
whether you LIKE it or not.

It is official... it is in writing.
You can PRETEND it did not happen
but there it is in black and white on Post #2 & 3

Do not be AFRAID of what Jesus NAMED.
Accept the fact that you have LEARNED
one of the "unsealed" mysteries that God
PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand"
[Dan 12:8-10] and they would PREACH
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"
[Rev 10:7-11]

You are now one of the few people on earth
that KNOW that Jesus NAMED both the
Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" and the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

Here is another mystery "unsealed" for you.
Jesus NAMED the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1

No way around what Jesus specifically NAMED...
even when it destroys your current "gospel".
Which is why you now DENY what you said
in Post #2.

Welcome to new Biblical Truth Keras...
You learned something HUGE today.

Here is some more:

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The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

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The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

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Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

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[5thKingdom]

It is not indicating that there are multiple Kingdoms of Heaven.

Dougg... you can jump up and down and SAY
that Jesus did not NAME four separate and distinct
"Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth... and I realize that
you MUST do that in order to protect your current
"gospel".

But Jesus does not lie. So you are forced to either
submit to what Jesus NAMED or intentionally IGNORE
Scriptures - to protect you "gospel" from destruction.

I tell you the truth:
I could not care less whether you submit to
what Jesus NAMED or you deny Scripture to
protect your gospel.

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[5thKingdom]

As for your ideas of five Kingdoms, I simply do not see any point in it.
There is only one God and therefore one Kingdom. Jesus will reign as King in it for 1000 years, then He hands the Kingdom back to the Father. 1 Cor. 15:24

First... let's be honest now.
Both you and I KNOW that it's not (and I quote)
"... your ideas of five Kingdoms..." because it is
about what JESUS specifically NAMED. Again,
it is not MY IDEA (and you know that) because
it is what JESUS preached (I have the verses).

Second... for you to say (and I quote)
"There is only one God and therefore on Kingdom"
is not only contrary to what JESUS NAMED but also
demonstration that you are ready to intentionally IGNORE
Scriptures... in order to TRY to protect your gospel
from immediate destruction.

But it's too late for that because you already
AGREED (in Post #2 and #3) that Jesus NAMED
the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" and the Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven".

Third... you are hilarious. You did not even know
about the different "Kingdoms of Heaven" until
I "revealed" that mystery to you... and now you
actually PRETEND to understand the fulfillment
of the Millennial Kingdom. That is hilarious.

The Millennial Kingdom is the church age.

If you knew 1/10th of what you THINK
you know... you would be one of the
Last Saints revealing these mysteries
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".

Do not feel bad. Most "Bible students" would
be like you and CORRECTLY identify both the
Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" and the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" in the verses
I presented. And most would do what you
are now doing (pretending they did not know)
in order to protect their gospel from destruction.
But none of that changes what JESUS NAMED.

Intentionally IGNORING Scriptures does NOT
negate those Biblical Truths... it only provides
some (false) comfort in your pretending.


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[Douggg]

Dougg... you can jump up and down and SAY
that Jesus did not NAME four separate and distinct
"Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth... and I realize that
you MUST do that in order to protect your current
"gospel".

But Jesus does not lie. So you are forced to either
submit to what Jesus NAMED or intentionally IGNORE
Scriptures - to protect you "gospel" from destruction.

I tell you the truth:
I could not care less whether you submit to
what Jesus NAMED or you deny Scripture to
protect your gospel.

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I am rebutting your claim of their being 5 Kingdoms of Heaven - because Jesus did not say that are 5 Kingdoms of Heaven. You yourself have come up with that theory.

The gospel I hold is the gospel of Salvation in Christ Jesus, his death and resurrection.

The gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven is found in the Lord's prayer.

You are the one who has a different of gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Your 5 Kingdoms of Heaven gospel.

 

[Tone]

No way around what Jesus specifically NAMED...
even when it destroys your current "gospel".

I don't see how this would destroy anyone's current gospel.

The gospel is that He died on the cross for my sins, not only did He die, but He rose again.

What are the practical implications if one agrees to the whole 5 kingdom thing?

How does it make one live better as far as loving their neighbor, etc...?

 

[5thKingdom]

I am rebutting your claim of their being 5 Kingdoms of Heaven - because Jesus did not say that are 5 Kingdoms of Heaven. You yourself have come up with that theory.

The gospel I hold is the gospel of Salvation in Christ Jesus, his death and resurrection.

The gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven is found in the Lord's prayer.

You are the one who has a different of gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven. Your 5 Kingdoms of Heaven gospel.

No Douggg...
That is not how it works.

You cannot "rebut" anything by simply DENYING
what Jesus NAMED. To "rebut" something you
will need Scripture that contradicts the doctrine.
And, so far you simply expressed you "feelings".
Of course your "feelings" means nothing when
confirming or refuting Scripture or doctrine.

Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 22:2. You do not REFUTE that fact by stating
your DENIAL... that is just you IGNORING that Scripture.
So we have ONE passage of Scripture you REJECT.

Jesus specifically NAMED the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 (in 8 verses). You cannot REFUTE that fact
by stating your DENIAL... that's just you IGNORING more
Scripture. So, we now have NINE passages of Scripture
that you have REJECTED.

Jesus specifically NAMED the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 25:1. You cannot
REFUTE that fact by stating your DENIAL. That's just
you IGNORING Scripture. So, now we have TEN
passages of Scripture that you have REJECTED.

So the only QUESTION left is HOW MANY
passages of Scripture does Douggg REJECT?

The Bible uses the term "Kingdom of Heaven"
33 times and the term "Kingdom of God" exactly
70 times... do you REJECT each of these verses?
That means you now REJECT 113 passages.

And that does not even count all of the passages that
use the term "Kingdom" instead of "Kingdom of Heaven"
or "Kingdom of God"... do you REJECT all those verses also?

Douggg.... you can intentionally IGNORE or REJECT
as many passages of Scripture as you want. Just
understand that you are not REFUTING anything
you are just REJECTING those Scriptures.


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[Douggg]

Douggg.... you can intentionally IGNORE or REJECT
as many passages of Scripture as you want. Just
understand that you are not REFUTING anything
you are just REJECTING those Scriptures.

I am refuting because Jesus did not say anything about there being 5 Kingdoms of Heaven. You are the one who created the theory - because no one of the church fathers preached the theory of 5 Kingdoms of Heaven.

 

[5thKingdom]

I don't see how this would destroy anyone's current gospel. The gospel is that He died on the cross for my sins, not only did He die, but He rose again. What are the practical implications if one agrees to the whole 5 kingdom thing?

The "Gospel" is everything that is PART of the "Word of God"
Yes, that includes the Lord's death and resurrection but it
also includes all His teachings.

The "practical implications" are these:

When we IGNORE or REJECT passages of Scripture
the result is that we are intentionally teaching heresy.

Imagine a preacher going to the pulpit this Sunday and
announcing to the congregation that the "Final Harvest"
is NOT of those in the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
but ONLY those individual who were "harvested" into
the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
That destroys his previous Gospel.

Imagine that preacher showing SCRIPTURES saying
the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" consisted
EXCLUSIVELY of the "ten virgins" that "went forth"
from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" and they
not only followed the Anti-Christ... they also HELPED
him "set-up" Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation" as
they "agreed to give their Kingdom to the Beast.
[Rev 17:12-13, 17] That destroys his previous gospel.

Imagine that preacher explaining Christians NOT "harvested"
into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" were left-behind
EXACTLY as the Jews NOT "harvested" into the Christian Kingdom
were left-behind... That would DESTROY his previous gospel.

There are many other examples I could provide but the
BOTTOM LINE is that his previous gospel cannot ever
harmonize the four separate-and-distinct "Kingdoms"
on earth (that Jesus NAMED) before the Lord Returns
to "harvest" ONLY the "wise virgins" who lived through
the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".

The Bible PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand"
(for the first time in history) the fulfillment of Daniel's
prophecies that had remained "closed-up" and "sealed"
to all previous Saints [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]. And
these Last Saints would be PREACHING these
Biblical mysteries as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]

Since this is NOT PART of his current Gospel
it immediately DESTROYS that gospel and requires
the preacher to sing a "new song"... or demonstrate
that his has been left-behind.

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[Tone]

these Last Saints would be
PREACHING these Biblical mysteries as the Seventh
Trumpet "begins to sound"

So, how does one go about preaching this? Do they begin with the death and resurrection of Messiah and then show how the world is at the time of the 7th trumpet?

 

[5thKingdom]

I am refuting because Jesus did not say anything about there being 5 Kingdoms of Heaven. You are the one who created the theory - because no one of the church fathers preached the theory of 5 Kingdoms of Heaven.

Doug... are you saying that I WROTE the passages where
Jesus NAMES the separate-and-distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"?

Because if you acknowledge they are PART OF SCRIPTURE
then you are just pretending that "I created the theory"

As to the church fathers... they were never MEANT to understand
these Biblical mysteries since the Bible PROMISED this information
would remain "closed-up" and "sealed" until the "time-of-the-end"
(aka, the "Season and Time" when the Last Saints "shall understand"
and they would PREACH these mysteries as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound"

Now you can PRETEND just as hard as you can that it was ME
who wrote those Scriptures... but that is only exposing that
you have decided to REJECT many Scriptures in order to
protect your current gospel.


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[5thKingdom]

So, how does one go about preaching this? Do they begin with the death and resurrection of Messiah and then show how the world is at the time of the 7th trumpet?

No, the Gospel always begins with the Creation and the Fall
of Adam (so all men are born spiritually dead and we need a Savior).
The OT and NT remain the Gospel. But the Last Saints have some
Biblical mysteries REVEALED (from Scripture) and that becomes
the "whole counsel of God"

Remember... this is not a unique situation.

The Gospel of the Jewish "Kingdom" was DIFFERENT than
the Gospel of the Pre-Flood "Kingdom" and the Gospel of
the Christian "Kingdom" was DIFFERENT than the Gospel
of the Jews. Likewise, the Gospel of the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" is DIFFERENT than the Gospel of
the Great Commission.

When the Lord Returns the Last Saints are NOT preaching
the Gospel of the Jewish Kingdom and we are NOT preaching
the Gospel of the Great Commission and we are Not preaching
the Gospel of the Great Tribulation. Instead, we are preaching
the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED we "shall understand"
and the Bible PROMISED we shall "prophesy again" as the
Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"


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[Tone]

No, the Gospel always begins with the Creation and the Fall
of Adam (so all men are born spiritually dead and we need a Savior).
The OT and NT remain the Gospel. But the Last Saints have some
Biblical mysteries REVEALED (from Scripture) and that becomes
the "whole counsel of God"

Remember... this is not a unique situation.

The Gospel of the Jewish "Kingdom" was DIFFERENT than
the Gospel of the Pre-Flood "Kingdom" and the Gospel of
the Christian "Kingdom" was DIFFERENT than the Gospel
of the Jews. Likewise, the Gospel of the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" is DIFFERENT than the Gospel of
the Great Commission.

When the Lord Returns the Last Saints are NOT preaching
the Gospel of the Jewish Kingdom and we are NOT preaching
the Gospel of the Great Commission and we are Not preaching
the Gospel of the Great Tribulation. Instead, we are preaching
the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED we "shall understand"
and the Bible PROMISED we shall "prophesy again" as the
Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"


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Are you a Fisher or are you a Hunter?

 

[keras]

The house of Israel does not fit now being the Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language.

But we are, as Paul says in Galatians 6:14-16.
The Jews are of the House of Judah. Just because the have grabbed the name of Israel for their nation, does not make them the Israel of God.

Those who like to think the fake Israel is the only Israel; deny Romans 9:6 as well as all the history of ancient Israel.