Jesus's resurrection

[shilohsfoal]

As some people on this board say they have already been resurrected once. It makes me wonder how many resurrections do they believe Jesus had. I've read he was resurrected. That he died and came back to life. But how many more resurrections do you believe he had and do you believe he may have more to come? How many resurrections do you believe you will have?

 

[sovereigngrace]

As some people on this board say they have already been resurrected once. It makes me wonder how many resurrections do they believe Jesus had. I've read he was resurrected. That he died and came back to life. But how many more resurrections do you believe he had and do you believe he may have more to come?

There is one literal first resurrection where Christ defeated the grave. The Bible makes it clear that Christ is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5).

How many resurrections do you believe you will have?

Seeing you carefully avoided this post on the last thread, I will re-post it here:

The Christian experiences two resurrections - spiritual and physical.

So if a Christian was spiritually dead before salvation and they are now spiritually alive, by what means does Scripture say we are brought from death into newness of life?

The only way that we can transition from death to life (both spiritually and physically) is by way of resurrection. There is no other way! This is demonstrated many times in Scripture in regard to both spiritual and physical resurrection.

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man needs both spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Romans 6:3-6 says, “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up (or) egeiro (Strong’s 1453) from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection (or) anastasis (Strong’s 386): Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”

There are two Greek words used in Romans 6:3-10 that are used to describe the resurrection of Christ, and that are significantly in turn purposely equated to the believer and the new birth experience; they are egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and anastasis (Strong’s 386). Such a correlation between these two diverse types of resurrection (physical and spiritual) is only secured through Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection, enabling the believer to walk in resurrection power and “newness of life.” The believer here is therefore supernaturally transferred from a condition of death into one of life. This undoubtedly relates (1) to a spiritual state, and, (2), to the here in now. It cannot relate to the physical resurrection which is still future and which occurs at the second coming of Christ.

The first word egeiro (Strong’s 1453) is used many times throughout the New Testament to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. These references are found in Matthew 14:2, 16:21, 17:9, 23, 20:19, 26:32, 27:63, 64, 28:6, 7, Mark 14:28, 16:6, 14, Luke 1:69, 9:22, 24:6, 34, John 2:19, 20, 22, 21:14, Acts 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:30, 37, Romans 4:24, 25, 6:4, 9, 7:4, 8:11, 34, 10:9, 1 Corinthians 6:14, 15:4, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 2 Corinthians 4:14, 5:15, Galatians 1:1, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 2:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 1 Peter 1:21.

Similarly, the other Greek word anastasis (Strong’s 386), which is identified several times in Scripture with the new birth spiritual resurrection is also used several times to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. It is derived from the root word anistemi (Strong’s 450). These are outlined in Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:34, 16:9, Luke 18:33, 24:7, 26, John 20:9, Acts 2:24, 31, 32, 3:26, 4:2, 33, 10:41, 13:33, 34, 17:3, 18, 26:23, Romans 15:12, Philippians 3:10 1 Thessalonians 4:14, 1 Peter 1:3, 3:21.

The same two Greek words that are repeatedly employed to describe Christ’s physical resurrection from the dead are also used in Ephesians 5:14 to describe the new birth experience of the believer. The sinner being commanded: “Awake (or) egeiro (Strong’s 1453) thou that sleepest, and arise (or) anistemi (Strong’s 450) from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light” (Ephesians 5:14).

The resurrection portrayed here is again not a physical resurrection, but, a spiritual resurrection in which the recipient (the sinner) receives the joy of salvation. Through this spiritual resurrection, the believer receives the “light” of God and is therefore spared the awful sentence of eternal wrath. The verb “arise” in this text specifically relates to salvation and is a metaphor describing the spiritual resurrection that Christians undergo when they are lifted from the grave of sin. It also demonstrates the blessing that follows this resurrection. The true child of God receives the blessed light of God’s dear Son the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Lord Himself declared in John 8:12, “I am the light of the world, he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” It is worth noting, Paul is speaking to first century Ephesian citizens in this reading, who lived at least 1,950 years away from the actual return of the Lord. He is offering them the opportunity of walking in the fullness of the resurrection life then. Moreover, this resurrection life is still available today to sinners that humbly bow their knee to Christ.

If the Premillennialist can see that there is a resurrection in the New Testament, pertaining to the believer, which precedes the physical resurrection, which releases a man from the punishment of the second death (eternal wrath) – involving the new birth experience, then he should be able to accept the fact that it is the “first resurrection.”

Luke 2:34 also records, “Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again anastasis (or resurrecting, Strong’s 386) of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against.”

Matthew Henry explains in relation to this passage, “He (Jesus) is set for the rising again of many in Israel, that is, for the conversion of many to God that are dead and buried in sin, and for the consolation of many in God that are sunk and lost in sorrow and despair. Those whom he is set for the fall of may be the same with those whom he is set for the rising again of. He is set eis ptosin kai anastasin - for their fall, in order to their rising again; to humble and abase them, and bring them off from all confidence in themselves, that they may be exalted by relying on Christ; he wounds and then heals, Paul falls, and rises again”

The believer is raised from the grave of his sin and spiritual death at conversion, which of necessity must be a spiritual resurrection. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 1:8-10, “For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life: But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth (or) egeiro (Strong’s 1453) the dead: Who delivered us (past tense) from so great a death, and doth deliver (present tense): in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us (future tense).”

This whole passage is concentrated upon the great eternal provision of spiritual deliverance. The word “raiseth” in this reading is a present active verb, therefore it is talking about a resurrection that is happening now, rather than the future physical resurrection. This is obviously speaking of spiritual resurrection, because it alone has been ongoing since Christ’s first (physical) resurrection. This will, of course, culminate with the general physical resurrection at His return.

Paul goes on then to emphasise the victorious ongoing hope that the risen saints have through salvation, regardless of what is arrayed against them. He is reminding the believer of the security that exists “in Christ.” Whilst justification is an act (when we are spiritually redeemed) and glorification also an act (when we are physically redeemed), sanctification is a process of making us more like Christ. In all three experiences Christ holds a firm grip upon His people. He looks after them, and sustains them along the way. Christ therefore has “delivered,” (past tense) “doth deliver” (currently) and “will yet deliver” (future tense) Hi sheep.

So the allusion to “God which raiseth the dead” is talking in a broad sense about the day of salvation (the here-and-now). It describes the ongoing spiritual process secured through Christ’s glorious resurrection from the dead. For someone to move from death and the grave (in either the natural or the spiritual) to life (natural or spiritual) requires resurrection.

The same word repeatedly applied to Christ’s physical resurrection in the New Testament – egeiro – is here again used spiritually to describe the spiritual resurrection of the believer from the reality of spiritual death. It shows a present realisation and victorious triumph over that state in this testimony of Paul. This reading does not at all indicate that the believer will not experience natural death, no, but rather, that he wouldn’t experience spiritual death. It positively outlines that through the spiritual (or first) resurrection the believer is rescued from entering into the awful realisation of the second death (eternal punishment).

Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ (or) sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891) through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised (or) egeiro (Strong’s 1453) him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened (or) suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806) together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

This explicit passage describes the act of salvation as a resurrection feat. Moreover, the raising of the forgiven child of God in resurrection power in salvation is in turn carefully identified with, and connected to, Christ’s glorious resurrection. It confirms that our hearts “are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” in salvation, and likens this supernatural work to a death, burial and resurrection. This reading shows how the child of God is “buried with him,” “quickened together with him,” and finally “risen with him.”

Before salvation we are carnally alive, but spiritually dead. Our natural man is alive and kicking but our spiritual man is totally unresponsive. So in order to shift from death to life our spiritual man must first experience the quickening power (or life giving touch) of the Holy Spirit in which our blind spiritual eyes are opened in order for us to see as God sees. In this he sees sin for what it is, putrid, ugly and destructive. He see that sin is an offence to God and that it must be punished. The Holy Spirit then shows the penitent sinner the way out – Jesus Christ and His shed blood at Calvary. He then trades His sin for Christ’s righteousness in salvation whereupon he is raised from the grave of his sin.

Salvation is a supernatural act in which God breathes spiritual life into the sinner through regeneration. He quickens the corpse through the work of the Spirit, enabling the sinner to recognise his plight and cry out for mercy. The sinner surrenders all confidence in self (he dies to self) and acknowledges his need of Christ. Spiritual resurrection results.

 

[sovereigngrace]

As some people on this board say they have already been resurrected once. It makes me wonder how many resurrections do they believe Jesus had. I've read he was resurrected. That he died and came back to life. But how many more resurrections do you believe he had and do you believe he may have more to come? How many resurrections do you believe you will have?

I will resubmit this, as it was carefully avoided by you and other Premils on another thread. This is further supporting evidence to support my above contention.

It is a scriptural fact, for someone to move from death and the grave (in the natural or the spiritual) to life (of either type) requires of necessity resurrection. By our very union with Christ and the victory He has already wrought for us over death we enter into the triumph of both spiritual and physical resurrection. Upon conversion we are immediately raised from spiritual death by way of spiritual resurrection. We are born again (or born from above) by being raised from the grave of sin and debauchery. It is the resurrection of the spirit that causes the new birth. When resurrected our spirits are brought from death to life, this causes a new spiritually birth within our being.

When viewing this subject we must always remember, we are body, soul and spirit. The dead area within the human being prior to conversion is the spirit. The body is alive and the soul (the old man) is alive but the spiritual part of him – his spirit – is dead. It is therefore the dead spirit that is (1) quickened, and (2) resurrected from its death that begets life and therefore a new nature or a living spiritual man. The work of the Holy Spirit in sanctification is then a process of bringing body and soul into subjection of that live spirit.

The wording relating to this spiritual resurrection – “ye are risen with him” – is translated from the Greek word sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891), which is derived from the coupling of two other Greek words sun (Strong’s 4862) – denoting union and togetherness, and egeiro (Strong’s 1453), which means to awaken or resurrect from the dead. This word egeiro is constantly used in the New Testament in reference to Christ’s physical resurrection.

Also, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the Greek word suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806), which is derived from combining the words sun (Strong’s 4862) with zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227), meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. Hence, we can see the deep meaning of this word in the aforementioned passage and the essential work that is perfected in the penitent sinner in regeneration.

Many new birth passages in Scripture are surrounded in resurrection terminology. Notwithstanding, they are not in any way referring to a physical resurrection, although, often, using the same type of language that accompanies literal ones. These references repeatedly describe spiritually dead men being spiritually made alive by being first spiritually quickened and then spiritually resurrected from the grave of their sin. This reading plainly outlines how the penitent sinner is raised with the exact same supernatural power that raised Christ at His resurrection, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Colossians 2:10-14 therefore proves that there is a resurrection in the New Testament that precedes both natural death and the physical resurrection. Moreover, it is a resurrection that has an absolute bearing on ones ultimate place in eternity generally and the lake of fire (the second death) in particular. It is a resurrection that if missed unquestionably results in eternal fire. It is a resurrection that wonderfully frees a man from the awful (deserved) penalty of eternal punishment and eternity in the lake of fire.

Colossians 3:1-4 goes on to add, “If ‘ye then be risen with’ (or) sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891) Christ (speaking in the present tense about those who have experienced spiritual resurrection in Christ), seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear (speaking of the second coming), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (referring to the physical resurrection which is future tense).”

There are two distinct resurrections outlined in this reading, the first being spiritual and the second being physical. The initial resurrection of necessity sees a spiritual change, whereas, the second resurrection of necessity requires a physical change. Interestingly, the Greek word sunegeiro is again used here to describe the spiritual resurrection of the penitent sinner through union with Christ. No one could surely dismiss the current reality of the resurrection outlined at the beginning of the above passage. Moreover, those that have experienced the aforementioned resurrection are then instructed to “seek” and “set their affection” upon “those things which are above” – spiritual actions that are to be performed in this scene of time. The key to experiencing the reality of this current resurrected life is found in the concluding part of the reading that our earthly life is “hid with Christ in God.”

The resurrection mentioned in this reading must of necessity precede the physical resurrection at Christ’s Coming. The physical resurrection is still future, whereas the spiritual resurrection is depicted here as current and ongoing. The coming of Christ, and the physical resurrection that accompanies it, is anticipated in this reading as a future event – the time when we shall yet “appear with him in glory.” Those that are described here as being presently “risen with Christ” enter into the resurrection life long before physical resurrection day (the day that the Premillennialists argue witnesses the first resurrection). Whilst there is no actual reference in the Bible to “a second resurrection,” commentators from all the respective eschatological camps concede that there is (at very least) a second resurrection, albeit they differ greatly on its nature, timing and who it applies to.

Ephesians 2:1-6 also says, “you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, ‘hath quickened us together’ (or) suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806) with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath ‘raised us up together’ (or) sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891) and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.”

The same two Greek words found in Colossians 2:10-14 are also used in this reading to describe the spiritual resurrection. Again, the word rendered “quickened” here in Ephesians 2 is the Greek word suzoopoieo, which indicates a uniting to Christ in mystical union by means of being spiritually revitalized and made alive. The Greek word sunegeiro carries the meaning of union with Christ through resurrection. It is also in the aorist active demonstrating that it relates to the present. All sane theologians know that is not therefore not talking about physical resurrection.

The quickening of the spiritually dead life results in a consequential spiritual resurrection. Resurrection cannot plainly occur unless God in His providence reaches down in supernatural quickening power and imputes spiritual life into a spiritually dead man.

This reading undoubtedly describes a resurrection of the dead which occurs long before physical resurrection. It must thus be a spiritual resurrection. Moreover, it is a resurrection that was performed whilst we were expressly “dead in sins.” The reading tells us that God “hath raised us” – the elect of God – “up.” This resurrection narrative is speaking exclusively of salvation, as is seen in the whole import of the passage. After describing this spiritual revitalization, the writer deliberately inserts (so as to eliminate any possible ambiguity): “by grace ye are saved.” How then could any Premillennialist deny that this raising from the dead outlined here is not spiritual? We must ask such: are all these aforementioned references to death ‘spiritual death’ or ‘natural death’?

Here the sinner that was once spiritually dead is now spiritually resurrected by the supernatural resurrection power of the Lord Jesus Christ; God has firstly “quickened” us and secondly “raised us up.” We are hence raised from the grave of our sin at conversion, which is a spiritual resurrection, into a newness of life (Romans 7:6). One wonders how anyone could reasonably interpret such explicit terms like “raised us up” in Ephesians 2 and “ye are risen” in Colossians 2:10-14 to mean anything other than a spiritual resurrection?

Ephesians 2:1 literally reads:

you humás
were óntas
dead nekroús
in toís
trespasses paraptoómasin
and kaí
the taís
sins hamartíais

The Lord is not simply equating the spiritual condition of a man outside of salvation to the physically dead; he is speaking of an actual real experiential condition of death than is common to all unregenerate men. It is a spiritual reality. It doesn’t merely say ‘we were similar to the dead in sins’, no; it says “we were dead in sins.” This death is obviously not physical as it is speaking of the alive. It is spiritual. For a man to be brought from death to life in the natural requires resurrection, likewise, to be brought from death to life in the spiritual requires resurrection. This occurs by the dead sinner being spiritually quickened and then spiritually raised.

Romans 4:17 says, speaking of that great father of the faith Abraham, “(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth (or) zoopoieo (Strong’s 2227) the dead, and calleth those things which be not (unbelieving Gentiles) as though they were (the people of God).”

Again, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the original word zoopoieo meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. It is the same word used in Ephesians 2:5 and Colossians 3:1, only it is prefixed there by the Greek word sun in those passages. This passage is describing how God breathed spiritual life into the once darkened Gentile nations, and brought them into a personal relationship with the living God. Those within the nations that received God’s provision for sin and uncleanness were then immediately brought from a condition of spiritual death unto a state of spiritual life through the precious work of Christ at Calvary. This quickening of the Gentiles is therefore plainly not just a future hope but a joyous present reality.

In the new birth, the nature of Christ is imputed into the believer thus raising him up from a spiritual grave into a real living communion with God. I John 3:14 succinctly explains, “We know that we have passed from death unto life.” How? This text makes it clear that the death that is conquered here in the-here-and-now is assuredly not physical but spiritual death. The sinner that believes (and is thus born again of the Spirit of God) has entered into the realisation of the first resurrection in this life and will one day be physically raised at the second resurrection unto life.

Keeping in mind the awful separation that occurred when Adam spiritually died when he partook of the forbidden fruit in the garden, and allowing for the fact that all mankind was represented in Adam in that fall, we now see the great reconciliation that is realised between God and man through Christ in the act of salvation. The sinner is made spiritually alive and brought into mystical union with God through the person and work of Christ, by supernaturally receiving life and by being spiritually revitalized.

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.

 

[DavidPT]

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.

Why do some Amils argue, maybe even you, that 'lived' in Revelation 20:4 is not meaning lived again? How is it even logical, that any resurrection, in any sense, doesn't mean to live again? Why does anyone even need to be resurrected to begin with unless they need to live again? Isn't that what resurrected means, to live again? Did it mean that when Christ was resurrected?


A friendly tip---you might be better off making your points spread over multiple posts rather than piling them all into a single post like you typically do. That is if you expect everyone to read everything you are submitting, and then they carefully considering what you are submitting.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Why do some Amils argue, maybe even you, that 'lived' in Revelation 20:4 is not meaning lived again? How is it even logical, that any resurrection, in any sense, doesn't mean to live again? Why does anyone even need to be resurrected to begin with unless they need to live again? Isn't that what resurrected means, to live again? Did it mean that when Christ was resurrected?

Not sure.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Paul said this teaching of the resurrection spreads like gangrene. Truly terrible I fection these people have when they deviated from the truth.

2 Timothy 2:18 who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.

 

[shilohsfoal]

My guess is it's not hard to Deviate from the truth if you believe you were resurrected. But what would make someone think they died and then raised from the dead?

2 Timothy 2:18 who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.

 

[sovereigngrace]

My guess is it's not hard to Deviate from the truth if you believe you were resurrected. But what would make someone think they died and then raised from the dead?

2 Timothy 2:18 who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.

Who denies the literal physical future resurrection of the just and the unjust here? Maybe a few Full Preterists. All Amils believe in the literal physical resurrection of mankind at the one final future climactic coming of Christ. What we disagree with is your denial of Christ's first physical resurrection, your denial that man has a soul and spirit, and your soul sleep error.

One thing you cannot address is the Scripture above because it exposes your beliefs. All you can do is duck around it and throw your usual insults.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Maybe some of these people who say they were resurrected don't want Jesus to be the only one resurrected.
2 Timothy 2:18 who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.

Regardless, none of the apostles went around claiming to have been resurrected. They only wanted to testify of Jesus and tell of his resurrection.
Does as anyone know of any apostle ever claiming to have been resurrected from the dead?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Maybe some of these people who say they were resurrected don't want Jesus to be the only one resurrected.
2 Timothy 2:18 who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.

Regardless, none of the apostles went around claiming to have been resurrected. They only wanted to testify of Jesus and tell of his resurrection.
Does as anyone know of any apostle ever claiming to have been resurrected from the dead?

Read the many scriptures above that show your claims to be wrong. I wonder why you’re avoiding them? Because you know that they refute your position.

If you have not experienced the resurrection life of Christ then you need to be born again.

 

[parousia70]

Regardless, none of the apostles went around claiming to have been resurrected.

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Colossians 2:11-12

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:4

 

[BABerean2]

Regardless, none of the apostles went around claiming to have been resurrected.

Rom_6:11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Rom_8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Eph_2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),


Col_2:13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Rom_6:11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Rom_8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Eph_2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),


Col_2:13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

.

The key word for the conversation is "RESURRECTION".

 

[shilohsfoal]

Does anyone know any prophet or apostle to have claimed they were "RESURRECTED"?

 

[DavidPT]

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Colossians 2:11-12

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:4

All you need to do now is undeniably prove that what is meant here, this is meaning this same first resurrection in Revelation 20. And not only that, since it seems obvious that the passages you supplied are only applicable to this side of life before one physically dies, you would then need to show how that is also applicable to someone after they have already died but are still waiting to be bodily resurrected. After all, don't Amils claim departed souls are reigning with Christ in heaven a thousand years?

Do not these departed souls have part in the first resurrection? Which then brings us back to the passages you supplied. In what way are those passages applicable to someone after they have already physically died and are awaiting a bodily resurrection, such as the martyrs seen in Revelation 20:4?

Romans 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Do you think this is still applicable to someone after they have already physically died and are awaiting a bodily resurrection?

 

[iamlamad]

Read the many scriptures above that show your claims to be wrong. I wonder why you’re avoiding them? Because you know that they refute your position.

if you have not experienced the resurrection life of Christ then you need to. You need to be born again.

I find it amazing that in all the 783,137 words in the New Testament, not once was was "resurrection" used the way you want to use it.

I guess the next thing you must do is change the dictionaries to include your new use of this word. Sorry, I stand corrected: from an online dictionary:
"a rising again, as from decay, disuse, etc.; revival."

 

[shilohsfoal]

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Colossians 2:11-12

4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:4

Now I see there where Christ is raised from the dead. But we can we find others who are raised from the dead or resurrected?
Lazerous would count as a resurrection.
He died too you know.

 

[DavidPT]

Who denies the literal physical future resurrection of the just and the unjust here? Maybe a few Full Preterists. All Amils believe in the literal physical resurrection of mankind at the one final future climactic coming of Christ. What we disagree with is your denial of Christ's first physical resurrection, your denial that man has a soul and spirit, and your soul sleep error.

One thing you cannot address is the Scripture above because it exposes your beliefs. All you can do is duck around it and throw your usual insults.

Even though I currently don't agree with you about the first resurrection, I'm not about to apply 2 Timothy 2:18 against you. You for sure don't deserve that since you have never once claimed nor even implied, that the resurrection meant in 2 Timothy 2:18 is already past.

 

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Does anyone know any prophet or apostle to have claimed they were "RESURRECTED"?

Stop avoiding the evidence above. It is not lending any credibility to your posts.

 

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I find it amazing that in all the 783,137 words in the New Testament, not once was was "resurrection" used the way you want to use it.

I guess the next thing you must do is change the dictionaries to include your new use of this word. Sorry, I stand corrected: from an online dictionary:
"a rising again, as from decay, disuse, etc.; revival."

You are living in denial. The only way you can say this is by ducking around the various watertight Scriptures above that negate your position. Please address.