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Jesus said, "as Jonas was three days and three nights", The When? + Spices?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by The Fundamentalist, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Question 8.

    Is there any place in the Texts of Jonah/Jonas, that are similar to the phrase "heart of the earth" as Jesus stated? If so, please cite the exact verse and reference, along with the Hebrew and Greek.
  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

    (hi seekers out there ! )

    here's a treat of truth and revelation >>> (rejected by bad men around the world)
    link: > (click on) no spam as far as i know..... nor camel swallowing, nor choking on a flea.... nor a minute and second here and there..... just plain simple >>>
    Yeshua's Resurrection - When?

    portion of it >>>>>

    "Since this letter is in the BritishMuseum in London, it appears authentic. This means that whenever Nisan 14, the day of the crucifixion, was -- it had to be BEFORE APRIL 5TH !!
    This authenticates the year of 30 AD, when according to the above calendar, Nisan 14 was on APRIL 3 - JUST TWO DAYS BEFORE THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN ON APRIL 5TH. That is the calendar shown above. It makes perfect sense that Pontius Pilate would, almost immediately, (2 days later), write the Emperor, explaining what he did, and try to explain why. "
  3. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    The website you kindly provided is erroneous on several points. Please do not post it again or reference it again in this thread. It is far too easy to post such things and not deal with the consequences or questions. Thank you for complying with this request. The other portions shall be fully demonstrated as we continue asking questions in the Scripture.

    Question 8 remains.
  4. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

    not surprised you think there's errors in it. no worries. the calendar is right as far as i can tell , in agreement with simply what happened according to Scripture.

    other parts of the site , as always, subject to testing, but no error noted yet by anyone else.

    sda doesn't always agree with other ekklesia.(was it sda about a minute this a minute that, part of a day here, part of a day there) if so , well if not too, that is wrong.
  5. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    In answer to Question 8, there is such a place in Jonah:

    literally reading, "in the heart of the seas"

    Jonah 2:3 KJV - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

    Jonah 2:3 KJV with Strong's Numbers - Jon 2:3 For thou hadst castH7993 me into the deep,H4688 in the midstH3824 of the seas;H3220 and the floodsH5104 compassed me about:H5437 allH3605 thy billowsH4867 and thy wavesH1530 passedH5674 overH5921 me.

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] Hebrew OT - ותשׁליכני מצולה בלבב ימים ונהר יסבבני כל־משׁבריך וגליך עלי עברו׃

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] ותשׁליכניH7993 מצולהH4688 בלבבH3824 ימיםH3220 ונהרH5104 יסבבניH5437 כלH3605 משׁבריךH4867 וגליךH1530 עליH5921 עברו׃H5674

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] LXX Greek - ἀπέρριψάς με εἰς βάθη καρδίας θαλάσσης, καὶ ποταμοί με ἐκύκλωσαν· πάντες οἱ μετεωρισμοί σου καὶ τὰ κύματά σου ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ διῆλθον.

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] LXX Greek with Strong's Numbers and Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - απερριψαςV-AAI-2S μεG1473 P-AS ειςG1519 PREP βαθηG899 N-APN καρδιαςG2588 N-GSF θαλασσηςG2281 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ ποταμοιG4215 N-NPM μεG1473 P-AS εκυκλωσανG2944 V-AAI-3P παντεςG3956 A-NPM οιG3588 T-NPM μετεωρισμοιN-NPM σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN κυματαG2949 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS επG1909 PREP εμεG1473 P-AS διηλθονG1330 V-AAI-3P
  6. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    It is in error, and not what happened according to the Scripture, as we may all see demonstrated together, as we study and answer the questions asked, according to Scripture. Please take the time to review what has already been asked, and let us have more time to seek what the Scriptures have to say. Thank you brother.

  7. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Question 9.

    Was Jonah/Jonas awake or asleep/fainted when he was thrown into the sea and swallowed by the Great Sea Creature?
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

    he died. for three days and three nights he was dead.
  9. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

    it's not just he says he says. (i saw and was raised with errors that you accept, i read them and studied them and even 'accepted them' for a long time - it was a true miracle that i sought the truth and found it).
    it is right, and provable. your contrary position is perhaps popular with some, but not accurate. (we're not able to thrash it out here... for many reasons; but everyone who seeks, and keeps on seeking (truth), finds it, that is Yhvh's Promise in Yahushua, and it is true).

  10. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Jonah was very much awake and alert when he was thrown into the sea and swallowed by the Great Sea Creature, even for a long time before he "fainted".

    Jonah 1:14 KJV - Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.

    Jonah is awake when thrown into the Sea:

    Jonah 1:15 KJV - So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

    Jonah is awake when the Great Sea Creature swallows him:

    Jonah 1:17 KJV - Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

    Jonah is still awake and praying from out of the midst of the belly/bowels of he Great Sea Creature:

    Jonah 2:1 KJV - Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

    Jonah is still awake and cries unto the LORD because of his affliction that he is experiencing while awake:

    Jonah 2:2 KJV - And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

    Jonah still being awake, recognizes that he is in the "heart"/midst of the Seas and the waters of the sea are over his head, and pass over him:

    Jonah 2:3 KJV - For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

    Jonah is still awake, in praying and crying, looking unto the greater Holy Temple, which is in Heaven, being made by the LORD:

    Jonah 2:4 KJV - Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

    Jonah is still awake and recounts how even the waters surround his entire being, and had weeds even wrapped about his head in the belly of the Great Sea Creature:

    Jonah 2:5 KJV - The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

    Jonah still being awake, realizes that he is being taken to the very bottom, before he states that his "soul fainted within" in vs 7.

    Jonah 2:6 KJV - I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

    Before Jonah "fainted", he prayed one last time, giving thanksgiving in v 9, and "remembered the LORD" in vs 7:

    Jonah 2:9 KJV - But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

    Therefore, we see that Jonah was awake most of the time, suffering in "affliction", vs 2, was praying, vs 1, crying, vs 2, understood his condition and surroundings, vss 1-6,9, until he "fainted"/fell asleep, being taken to the bottom, and then "the earth with her bars" begin about him.

    Yet after such, then Jonah says God "
    brought up my life from corruption", vs 6, being a reference to when God "spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land", vs 10, being the "salvation of the LORD", vs 9
  11. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Question 10.

    What does it mean when the text says that Jonah "fainted", and if no longer awake, thus asleep, what does the Bible say that it represents?
  12. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Popularity is of no concern to me, only Truth - John 17:17, and so Scripture, Isaiah 8:20, will be the judge between us, but know that I do not carry ill-will, nor hard feelings toward you brother, though I do hate the doctrine, Psalms 109:104,128; Revelation 2:15, you presently carry/teach on it for very specific reasons. Hopefully, you will allow me the time to share with you the way more perfectly - Acts 18:26, in the Love of God - 1 Corinthians 13.
  13. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Jesus, the “lamb of God” [Genesis 22:8; John 1:29,36; Revelation 5:6, etc] or “Passover” [1 Corinthians 5:7] died, even as the one True Sacrifice [Hebrews, etc], of which all of the shadow/typical/ensamples pointed to [Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 8:5, 10:1, etc].

    Acts 3:18 KJV - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

    Let us notice that Acts 3:18, speaks that “all of his [God's] prophets” foretold that “Christ should suffer”.

    This means we ought to be able to go to the Old Testament to see if it speaks of this suffering. For instance:

    Romans 5:14 KJV - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    That word "figure" is the Greek word "
    τύπος"", Tr. tupos", or in English, Type, or past examples we were to see again in further detail, greater fashion, see 1 Corinthians 10:6,11; Philippians 3:17; Hebrews 8:5, and more.

    The real historical events of the great prophet Jonah/Jonas in the Old Testament are a type, a pattern, a shadow which were to point to the reality, the substance of the fulfillment of prophecy and typology in Christ Jesus, even as it is written:

    John 5:39 KJV - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    Luke 24:27 KJV - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    John 1:45 KJV - Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

    Acts 28:23 KJV - And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

    This may be seen throughout all the New Testament, an incomplete list:

    Matthew 1:22, 2:5,7,15-17,23, 3:3,15, 4:14,17, 5:17, 8:17, 11:13, 12:17,39, 13:17,35, 16:4,21, 21:4, 24:15,34, 26:18,54,56, 27:9,35;

    Mark 1:2,15, 13:4,14, 14:41,49, 15:28;

    Luke 1:20,38,70,76, 2:43, 3:4, 4:17-21, 9:51, 10:24, 11:29,50, 12:56, 16:16,29,31, 18:31, 19:44, 21:22,24,32, 22:16, 24:25,27,44;

    John 1:23,45, 5:39, 6:14,45, 7:6,8,40, 12:38, 13:18, 15:25, 16:4,25, 17:12,13, 18:9,32, 19:24,28,36;

    Acts 2:16,30, 3:18,21-24, 7:37, 8:28-35, 10:43, 13:22,23,27-41, 15:15, 17:2-3, 18:28, 26,22, 24:14, 26:22,27, 28:23;

    Romans 1:2-4, 3:21, 5:6, 13:11, 16:26;

    1 Corinthians 15:3-4;

    2 Corinthians 6:2;

    Galatians 4:2-4;

    Ephesians 2:20, 3:11;

    1 Thessalonians 2:15;

    1 Timothy 2:6;

    Hebrews 1:1, 8:5, 9:9,10,28;

    1 Peter 1:10,11;

    2 Peter 1:21, 3:2;

    Revelation 1:3,22:10.

    Therefore, Jesus knowing these things, and speaking of Jonas/Jonah specifically, we need to compare the last days of Jesus before and up to his Resurrection with the real events in the life of Jonah, and one may do this even as He had from Adam, in all the lives of the patriarchs and onward.
  14. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    A for example of Type, as found in the Lives of the OT persons, let us give to shining exmaples

    Solomon -

    Jesus said:

    John 5:39 KJV - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    Which means that even the very lives of the people, speak to us of Christ Jesus, even as every passage and doctrine does.

    Notice that Paul understood this, and even speaks to us of Adam being a "figure", or "type" [Greek, "Tupos"], of Christ, when he said,

    Romans 5:14 KJV - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    The statement by Jesus, that all of the Scripture points to Himself, can be tested, and is one of the very proofs, that Jesus is indeed God, and who He said He was, how He was to live, die, etc.

    Solomon - King, Throne, Glory, etc
    Jesus - King, Throne, Glory, etc

    Solomon - Spake in Proverbs/Parables/Dark Sayings
    Jesus - Spake in Proverbs/Parables/Dark Sayings

    Solomon - Son of man
    Jesus - Son of man

    Solomon - Son of David
    Jesus - Son of David

    Solomon - Name means "Peace"
    Jesus - "Prince of Peace", one which brings Peace from Enmity

    Solomon - Wise
    Jesus - Wise, even Wisdom

    Solomon - Had the Gentiles seek unto him for Wisdom, Queen of Sheba, etc
    Jesus - Had the Gentiles seek unto him for Wisdom, Cornelius, etc

    Solomon - Built the Temple
    Jesus - Built the Temple

    Solomon - Married a Woman of the world, typified by Egypt, coming from Egypt to Canaan
    Jesus - Marrying a Woman which came from the world, His Bride, typified coming from Egypt [world] to Canaan [Heaven]

    Solomon - Life was in danger because of Jealous relatives, His own brethren, Adonijah, etc
    Jesus - Life was in danger because of Jealous relatives, His own brethren, He came unto His own, etc.

    Solomon - Rode upon a Mule
    Jesus - Rode upon an ass, an Colt, Foal of an ass

    Solomon - Anointed
    Jesus - Anointed

    Solomon - His Kingdom had peace on all borders
    Jesus - His Kingdom will have peace on all borders

    Solomon - Merciful to His enemies, and also Just when they crossed the line of Mercy
    Jesus - Merciful to His enemies, and also Just, in the same

    Solomon - Cast out the Priest from being Priest, Abiathar, from the Temple
    Jesus - Cast out the Priests and moneychangers, and also took away the High Priest from Caiphas, etc

    Solomon - Loved the Lord, and obey His statutes [in His youth, and later after repenting, afterall it is type]
    Jesus - Loved the Father, and kept His commandments [yet he took upon Himself our sins, being made sin for us]

    Solomon - Had 12 Officers over all [Physical] Israel
    Jesus - 12 Apostles over all [Spiritual] Israel

    Solomon - Servants which served him
    Jesus - Jesus also, for we are all servants, and some with distinction, 'Deacon' - means servant, etc.

    Solomon - Great Army, Many Chariots
    Jesus - All the Angels of Heaven, Legions upon Legions, the Lord rideth upon the wings of the wind, His Chariots, are the Angels.

    and so on.

    The same may be Done for Adam, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Daniel, Jonah, etc.
  15. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    For the next shining example, consider Joseph of the Old Testament.

    Let us consider this second Typology, for as Jesus/Logos had said:

    Psalms 40:7 KJV - Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

    Hebrews 10:7 KJV - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    Jesus specifically said:

    Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39

    This can be tested, in every single Passage and Book of Scripture.

    A Typology For Instance, Joseph, the son of Israel/Jacob:

    We shall begin, in this Typological look, at the Old Testament itself, and the lives of the very patriarchs and people in it, and seeing the very real events that God has so placed and allowed to take place in the them, that Jesus' very own life is seen throughout. As is the case with Joseph, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Samson, Samuel, David, Solomon, Daniel, and more:

    In the events of Joseph's life is so clearly seen the life of the Messiah Jesus, that it is truly something to behold. At the beginning and ending of Jesus own life there was a Joseph (a step father; husband to Mary) and Joseph of Arimathaea and thus we have the life of Jesus capped on both ends with Joseph. Joseph is given dreams, and the step father of Jesus is also given dreams.

    Joseph is the first born of Rachel (Rachel means a "ewe", a female Lamb, she bares a male, in type the "male lamb", firstborn) (Jesus is the Lamb of God), and Joseph is a miracle child for Rachel at first bare no children (even as other patriarchs wives before her) (Jesus is a miracle child, the 7th in scripture). Joseph's name means "YHVH will add" (and Rachel also had a second son, Benjamin, meaning "Son of the Right Hand"), and so we have in these two names, coming from the "ewe", "YHVH has added [to me] the Son of His Right Hand" (as we may see in Genesis 30:24, 35:24), and as we consider the very names found given in the scriptures, we see a special order given in Revelation 7 of those names of the sons of Jacob (see to come).

    Joseph is the beloved son of Jacob (Israel) and is given a robe (garment of character) of many colors (the very symbol of the everlasting covenant, rainbow) even in his "old age", he being a representative of the "ancient of days" with a special son (Jesus is the only begotten son of the Father, who is the one who made the everlasting covenant, for he is the messenger of the covenant):

    Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he [was] the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of [many] colours. Genesis 37:3

    Joseph was special in that he was specially chosen of God, and was given visions of prophecy and future glory, and able to interpret them (Jesus is a prophet, foretold even by Moses to come, for as Jesus said, "Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am [he]." John 13:19; He tells the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:9-10), notice that the word "[he]" is not present in the Greek, and realize what is actually being said), and all would bow to him (even as it is said of Jesus, "...That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Philippians 2:10 ).

    In the scriptures, it is interesting to note that in the life of Joseph, the scripture records no specific sin of his (though scripture is clear that all except Christ Jesus have sinned), but scripture makes the correlation that Joseph is the type of He who was to come, spotless. Joseph loved his family, his father and brothers, even though his brothers were cruel unto him and hated him.

    Joseph (the son) is sent by the Father (Israel, the ancient of days) unto His brethren, of whom he is related by flesh:

    And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed [the flock] in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here [am I]. Genesis 37:13

    The brothers of Joseph, because of envy and jealousy and pride, plotted to be rid of him, even kill him (even as seen of the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes in the days of Christ Jesus as they did to him):

    And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. Genesis 37:18

    Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. Genesis 37:20

    Joseph was taken, thrown into a pit, a hole (Jesus placed in a pit, and into a grave), and his robes are torn and covered in the blood of a killed kid of goat (goat is the symbol of the sin offering, as it is on the day of atonement; Leviticus 16; Christ Jesus it is said, "For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin..." 2 Corinthians 5:21), and though Joseph did not die there (though in the events he is made to be dead), in type he comes out alive of the pit (Jesus too comes out of the grave alive) and is exalted (even as Joseph was exalted over the whole house of Pharaoh).

    A word of prophetic utterance given by Judah:

    And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit [is it] if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? Genesis 37:26

    And then the following:

    And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; Genesis 37:31 (see also Jesus, "And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:13), Jesus was stripped of his robe (pure white robe, perfect righteousness) and even a scarlet robe was placed upon him (And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. Matthew 27:28). The blood stained robe is presented to the Father (Israel), to cover the sin of Josephs brethren in what they had done to the favored son.

    Joseph is betrayed by his brethren, and sold for the price of a slave in the amount of silver (in this instance, 20 (room for inflation), but in the events of Samson, more silver pieces); and Christ Jesus is betrayed into the hands of the enemy and sold for the price of a slave, 30 pieces of silver. Prophecy and typology combine perfectly. Even as Judah betrayed, Judas betrayed.

    Notice that he was taken down into Egypt (Hosea 11:; Matthew 2:15), and even by those that were carrying "spices, balm and myrrh" (Genesis 37:25), even as Jesus before going down into Egypt as a small child, was met by the wisemen of the east, which brought before him, "gold and frankincense and myrrh" (Matthew 2:11).

    Joseph is tempted by a seducer, and is yet victorious over temptation, though he is falsely charged of crime and sin and is later vindicated. Jesus was victorious over all temptation and falsely charged and is vindicated.

    Joseph is then cast into prison (representative again of the grave), and is seen as being condemned between two other men (cupbearer and baker) and with the wicked, one of the two men is restored and the other condemned to death, even as the two thieves upon the crosses next to Christ Jesus, one will be restored in the resurrection to come, and the other is lost.

    Joseph is then brought before Pharaoh, and prophecies of coming disaster, and yet Joseph is in the position to be able to save them all from dying, and so is made ruler over all of his household, bearing authority, at the age of 30 and even raised up as Judge over his brethren. Jesus too, as prophecy and typology foretells (Numbers 4) that Jesus too would be 30 years of Age at the beginning of His ministry (AD 27), the age a man had to be to begin the priestly work in the tabernacle and is the "Judge of all the earth".

    Joseph tests his brothers by a cup, and even gives to them of the money they paid for their bread. Jesus at the last supper also has a cup, and even speaks to James and John of the cup they were to drink from, even as Christ Jesus drank from the cup that the Father had given Him to drink. Christ Jesus offers salvation really, without price, and cannot be bought with any amount.

    Joseph forgives his brethren and feeds them all, and the whole land (vast multitudes) grain (bread) even in the time of famine, and though testing their loyalty, and to see if they have had a change of heart, reveals himself to them when He sees their converted hearts, and kisses them. He brings them all into the land of plenty and the fertile plains and there is great rejoicing. Jesus asks of the Father forgiveness for his people, and dying is the sacrifice for sin, so that we too may be taken into the land of plenty and fertile plains. Jesus is that manna, that bread, from Heaven, which feedeth His people of the true bread of life, the words of God, Jesus feeds the multitudes.

    Joseph is for a time separated from the Father, but is restored. Christ Jesus upon the Cross is too separated from the Father (Psalms 22), but is restored.

    Joseph's bones and body were carefully preserved and protected, and were not to be buried in Egypt, even as Christ Jesus, being that uncorrupted manna that is preserved forever (saw no corruption), no bones were broken (even as the type of the passover Lamb), and his body carefully taken down from the cross and preserved by Joseph of Arimathaea and others. Joseph was a shepherd for the flocks of His father, Jesus is the Good Shepherd.

    Joseph was not immediately recognized by his brethren and treated as a stranger, Jesus came unto His own (the people He chose out for himself), and His own knew him not. Even upon the road to Emaus, later he was only known in the breaking of Bread. Both were filled by the Holy Spirit of God, and through the providence and guidance and foresight of God, were to save many from destruction. Even the 7 years of famine and plenty are also realized in the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, for 3 1/2 years by His own preaching, and then through those who heard him for another 3 1/2 years (Hebrews 2:3), as spoken of in Daniel.

    Rachel dies in Bethlehem Ephrath ("And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which [is] Bethlehem." Genesis 35:19; "And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet [there was] but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same [is] Bethlehem." Genesis 48:7) , the very place where Christ Jesus is born and foretold ("But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting." Michah 5:2; see also Matthew 2:1-6; John 7:42). Bethlehem means the "house of bread", and Jesus (he being the Bread of Life) was born in a manger (a place for feed/grain).

    There is no doubt the providence of God leading in the Life of Joseph to point us unto Jesus Christ, and more could be said and seen in that life, but there are many, many others we could look at and see, that Christ Jesus truly is all throughout the scriptures, yet we shall now turn unto Jonah
  16. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    For more on such typology, I would recommend reading Pastor Doug Batchelor's "Shadows of Light - Seeing Jesus In All The Bible" Book, and/or considering the DVD/CD's of "Jesus Throughout The Bible" [6 Part series], which might be found on Youtube [maybe] and also a DVD/CD of "Jesus In The Feast Days" and "Jesus In The Sanctuary", or Pastor Ivor Myers "The Blue Print, Earth's Final Movie" God's GPS, Book, Study Guides or DVD presentation, one will also find that presentation on Youtube or also the Books "The Cross And Its Shadow" by Stephen N. Haskell, or "The Sanctuary Service" by M. L. Andreasen.
  17. The Fundamentalist

    The Fundamentalist New-manbie

    Let us look at the text again:

    Jonah 2:7 KJV - [7] When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

    This word used is found in various places, with the following:

    Psalms 61:2 KJV - [2] From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I.

    Psalms 77:3 KJV - [3] I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah.

    Psalms 107:5 KJV - [5] Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them.

    Psalms 142:3 KJV - [3] When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me.

    Psalms 143:4 KJV - [4] Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate.

    Lamentations 2:11-12, 19 KJV - [11] Mine eyes do fail with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city. [12] They say to their mothers, Where [is] corn and wine? when they swooned as the wounded in the streets of the city, when their soul was poured out into their mothers' bosom. ... [19] Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street.

    In the LXX, the Greek word used is "ἐκλείπω", ekleipw, and is also found in Luke 16:9, 22:32, 23:45; Hebrews 1:12 and means to "fail" or cease.

    It also carries the meaning of 'deceased' [cease of life, physically, or metaphorically], 'be wanting', 'abandon', 'quit', 'left out' or to 'fail of strength' [of heart or physically], 'grow weak' and to be in 'hunger' or 'thirst' and is found used in many other places - lexicon . katabiblon . com/index . php?lemma=%E1%BC%90%CE%BA%CE%BB%CE%B5%E1%BD%B7%CF%80%CF%89
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    Though Jonah was one of the Greatest Prophets, for at his preaching what God commanded be spoken, a whole wicked city, Nineveh, repented in sackcloth and ashes, and God spared them!

    Jonah 3:4-10 KJV - [4] And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. [5] So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. [6] For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered [him] with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. [7] And he caused [it] to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: [8] But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that [is] in their hands. [9] Who can tell [if] God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? [10] And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.

    Yet, by the Preaching of Jesus, through his Life, Death, Resurrection and Ascension to become our Great High Priest and Minister in the True Heavenly Sanctuary for us, that He would one day soon before His Second Advent as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, blot out the sins recorded of the Faithful, that untold peoples, a "great crowd" that no man could number, would Repent, and be spared the wrath of God.

    Think about it. People are still repenting today at the preaching of Jesus. :)

    Jesus truly is the far greater Prophet [and so also the far greater Priest and the far greater King].
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    Jesus is the Passover [Exodus 12:18; Leviticus 23:5; Numbers 9:2-5; 1 Corinthians 5:7] Lamb [Genesis 22:8; John 1:29,36]. Christ Jesus, began the suffering, not upon the Cross, but rather in the Garden of Gethsemane [Luke 22:44; John 18:1,26], in the first dark part of the 6th day of the week, Nisan/Aviv 14th[also commonly known as Thursday Night to most; this shall be demonstrated from the Prophetical and Historical sources later].

    It was Night Time then, and so He was taken in that same night and arrested and held in trial. Jesus, then, the very next morning [same Scriptural Day, the 6th Day of the week] went through more trials and finally a crucifixion [“the sixth hour” [12:00 PM; Noon] John 19:14; see also Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44].

    Jesus dies on that day [the 6th Day, aka 'Friday', “preparation”, Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14,31,42; see also Exodus 16:5] a few hours [3 hours, “ninth hour”] before sunset [Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44; sunset is the 12th hour, John 11:9, the full day beginning with the “night” or “evening”; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc].

    This was the First Night [Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, partial time reckoning, not a full 12 hours, beginning at midnight, the darkest hour, therefore only about 6 hours time] and First Day [“evening”/”night” [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30], as the text speaks of the “morning” [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1; which will come be a 12 hour period, for the whole of the day time].

    So we see that after praying and being sorrowful unto death [Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34], was taken that night at the Garden, betrayed by Judas [Matthew 26:47; Mark 14:43; Luke 22:47-48; John 18:3-5], then held captive in the hands of his enemies and bound [Matthew 27:2; Mark 15:1; John 18:12,24].

    Then He was taken before Pharisees and leaders at various trials [Ananias/Annas, Caiaphas, Herod, Pilate and Populace, a total of 7 Trials [1] Before Ananias/Annas; John 18:12-14, 19-23; [2] Before Caiaphas; Matthew 26:57,59-68; Mark 14:53,55-65; Luke 22:54,63-65; John 18:24; [3] Before the Sanhedrin; Matthew 27:1; Mark 15:1; Luke 22:66-71; [4] Before Pilate First Time; Matthew 27:2,11-14; Mark 15:1-5; Luke 23:1-5; John 18:28-38; [5] Before Herod; Luke 23:6-12; [6] Before Pilate Second Time; Matthew 27:15-23; Mark 15:6-14; Luke 23:13-22; John 18:39-19:6; [7] The Populace reject Jesus; Matthew 27:24-31; Mark 15:15-20; Luke 23:23-25; John 19:7-16], pummeled, spat upon [Matthew 27:30; Mark 10:34, 15:19], struck, whipped [Matthew 27:26; Mark 15:15; John 19:1], beaten, cursed, yelled and laughed at [Matthew 27:29,31; Mark 15:20; Luke 22:63, 23:11,36], all the while in their hands from that night he was taken until his final breath upon the Cross [Matthew 27:50; Mark 15:37,39; Luke 23:46; John 19:30].

    Jesus was then laid in the tomb [Matthew 27:58-66; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53; John 19:38-42], and remained there the whole 7th Day Sabbath [a 24 hr period; Matthew 28:1; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54,“...rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56;p; John 19:31], which also happened to be a “seasonal” feast “sabbath” that year, being the First Day of Unleavened Bread [15th of Nisan/Aviv], the day which followed the Passover [14th of Nisan/Aviv], and thus an “high day” [John 19:31], and so “Seasonal” Feast “sabbath” [Leviticus 23:5-8] and the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15; Leviticus 23:3] combined, forever linking Creation and Redemption together. This then, accounts for the Second Night [Jesus laid in the tomb a few hours before sunset, and remains in the Tomb all that night; Job 21:32; being a 12 hour period] and the Second Day [which followed the night/evening portion, and being a 12 hour period; John 11:9].

    Jonas, himself after praying in the midst, finally faints [type, death], taken down to the lowest depths [type, burial/grave], and remains so, until brought up and released [type, resurrection].

    Just as the great Sea Creature did not retain Jonah, so too the Grave could not retain Jesus [Acts 2:24].

    Then Jonas preached about “40 days” [Jonah 3:4] unto Ninevah, even as Jesus remained for “40 days” [Acts 1:3] before finally ascending the second time [type Aaron; High Priest; Leviticus 8:12; Acts 1:9-11; Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 12:5; the first being just after resurrection, then he came right back; and later after being resurrected and staying for 40 days, he ascends up, type Moses; Leviticus 8:10; John 20:17,19, etc] for good from the Mount of Olives, until He shall come back in His second Advent [Hebrews 9:28; etc].

    Jesus thus remained in the tomb in the first evening/night period of the 7th Day [about a 12 hour period], until his Resurrection on “the first [day] of the week” [being the 16th of Nisan/Aviv; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; 20:1,19; which most commonly know as 'Sunday', which we shall consider in a bit, for we do not desire to assume anything apriori], which when we read in the Greek and the Transliterated Greek, reads:

    Matthew 28:1a - “
    ᾿Οψὲ δὲ σαββάτων” - “oye de sabbatwn” [* some believe this is properly connected to Matthew 27:66 in the Greek, since the guards were chosen to watch through first part of the evening/night of the First day]

    Matthew 28:1b - “εἰς μίαν σαββάτων” - “eiV mian sabbatwn”

    Mark 16:2 - “
    καὶ λίαν πρωῒ τῆς μιᾶς σαββάτων” - “kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn”

    Mark 16:9 - “
    ᾿Αναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου” - “anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou”

    Luke 24:1 - “
    Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων” - “th de mia twn sabbatwn”

    John 20:1 - “
    Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων” - “th de mia twn sabbatwn”

    John 20:19 - “Τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων” - “th mia twn sabbatwn”

    Generally speaking, meaning, 'one or first towards the 7th day Sabbath, the culmination after the 6 days' [the reason for the plural in these instances, some believe, is because there were also two “seasonal” feast “sabbaths” in those two weeks along with the 7th Day Sabbath, the first being the 15th of Nisan/Aviv, the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, and the later being the 21st of Nisan/Aviv, the last day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, others conclude the week between 7th Day Sabbaths, either works]. Therefore Jesus was raised on “the third day” sometime before the rising of the sun [Matthew 28:1 [*see previous notation]; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1], and then showed Himself alive in several instances that same day. This is the “Third Night and Third Day”.

    Even as Jonah preached unto repentance, and many were converted, so too with Christ Jesus, and many believed on Him after the resurrection – for He is greater than the prophet Jonah [Matthew 12:41; Luke 11:32], for even today, many are still believing on Him, being delivered of the destruction to come upon the unrepentant.