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Can we talk about this myth?
If Jesus died to "pay" for our sins, then we have not truly been forgiven.
If Jesus "paid the penalty" for our sins, we have not truly been forgiven.
Do you hold to the notion that Jesus "paid" for our sins? If so, what is the scriptural basis of our opinion?
Not sure who you mean "our".Can we talk about this myth?
If Jesus died to "pay" for our sins, then we have not truly been forgiven.
If Jesus "paid the penalty" for our sins, we have not truly been forgiven.
Do you hold to the notion that Jesus "paid" for our sins? If so, what is the scriptural basis of our opinion?
Not sure who you mean "our".
He only paid for the sins of those God for-determined to when planning His creation.
Basis?
OK, but pardon my brevity:
John 1:29
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
What you asked, however, was whether the debt had been forgiven. In the example you gave, it obviously has been. But what you are saying here seems to confirm that you are making the mistake that OrthodoxyUSA referred to.No. They are two different things.
Suppose I owe you $10,000,000. If you forgive my debt, you have lost the money. Nothing has been paid. You could rightfully claim that you forgave my debt.
If Jimmy pays you the $10,000,000 on my behalf, the debt is paid in full.
You could not claim to have forgiven my debt.
You are correct. That idea comes from Jonathan Edwards book, "Sinners in the hands of an angry God".
Forgive me...
"Sinners in the hands of an angry God" was a sermon that Jonathan Edwards preached in 1741, not a book.
There is no debt to the Father.
Christ Jesus is the man in the garden who created and spoke with Adam. Christianity 101 (This is what the Jews hated about Christians. Changing the story so to speak.)
Forgive me...
When I heard it in church recently I was appalled at the judgmental cruelty of its content.
There is no scriptural basis for saying Christ Jesus was the man in the garden who created and spoke with Adam. The Bible says God, not the Messiah.
No. They are two different things.
Suppose I owe you $10,000,000. If you forgive my debt, you have lost the money. Nothing has been paid. You could rightfully claim that you forgave my debt.
If Jimmy pays you the $10,000,000 on my behalf, the debt is paid in full.
You could not claim to have forgiven my debt.