Jesus' own words.

[Dartman]

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.

Jesus prayed to the ONLY true God.
Jesus was sent by the ONLY true God.

 

[Ken Rank]

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.

Jesus prayed to the ONLY true God.
Jesus was sent by the ONLY true God.

Why is it a mission of yours to get everyone else to believe as you do on this topic? Is this all you are? This is like a broken record... that plays one song over and over and over again. So God called you from the womb to make sure He is defended and that everyone comes away with your understanding? The Word was God. God was manifested in flesh. His name is God with us. His is the Son who is also called the Everlasting Father. There is enough, more than enough... to come away believing that Yeshua is God. It is then between the servant and the MASTER not the servant and you... if God is not please with our decision to treat Yeshua as God then God can take care of it. He has thrived without you defending him since before you came into existence... He'll be ok!

 

[ananda]

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.

Jesus prayed to the ONLY true God.
Jesus was sent by the ONLY true God.

Thanks for sharing!

It is also written that the Buddha "is accomplished, fully enlightened, endowed with clear vision and virtuous conduct, sublime, knower of the worlds, the incomparable guide of men who are tractable, the teacher of gods and men, enlightened and blessed." - MN 7

 

[tstor]

Why is it a mission of yours to get everyone else to believe as you do on this topic? Is this all you are? This is like a broken record... that plays one song over and over and over again. So God called you from the womb to make sure He is defended and that everyone comes away with your understanding? The Word was God. God was manifested in flesh. His name is God with us. His is the Son who is also called the Everlasting Father. There is enough, more than enough... to come away believing that Yeshua is God. It is then between the servant and the MASTER not the servant and you... if God is not please with our decision to treat Yeshua as God then God can take care of it. He has thrived without you defending him since before you came into existence... He'll be ok!

It sounds like your problem is that he pushes a theology different from your own.

 

[Dartman]

Why is it a mission of yours to get everyone else to believe as you do on this topic? Is this all you are? This is like a broken record... that plays one song over and over and over again. So God called you from the womb to make sure He is defended and that everyone comes away with your understanding? The Word was God. God was manifested in flesh. His name is God with us. His is the Son who is also called the Everlasting Father. There is enough, more than enough... to come away believing that Yeshua is God. It is then between the servant and the MASTER not the servant and you... if God is not please with our decision to treat Yeshua as God then God can take care of it. He has thrived without you defending him since before you came into existence... He'll be ok!

Rather than continue with your practice of personal attacks.... would you mind actually addressing the text?

 

[Dartman]

Thanks for sharing!

It is also written that the Buddha "is accomplished, fully enlightened, endowed with clear vision and virtuous conduct, sublime, knower of the worlds, the incomparable guide of men who are tractable, the teacher of gods and men, enlightened and blessed." - MN 7

This contradicts Jesus' words.
Do you believe Buddha is right, and Jesus is wrong?
If so, why?

 

[Ken Rank]

Rather than continue with your practice of personal attacks.... would you mind actually addressing the text?

I just did... I shared parts of 4 verses that a person can easily take as saying Yeshua is God. So perhaps that conclusion is wrong... perhaps it is correct. But each of us answer for ourselves, not to you. In another thread you recently said that "trinitarians" (the "ian" ending making it the PEOPLE not the doctrine) are "not my brothers." That means, if you consider yourself a Christian, you are saying that people who believe Yeshua is God are not. You have an agenda... I am not attacking you personally, I am simply pointing out that it exists. I won't bother posting in your thread again!

 

[Ken Rank]

It sounds like your problem is that he pushes a theology different from your own.

Nope... he has opening stated that people who believe Yeshua is God are not his brothers. If he considers himself a Christian, and those who believe Yeshua is God are not his brother... then he has stated openly (in another thread) that those people are not Christians.

I don't care what he believes... only that he not spread hate and division because people don't agree with his, minority, viewpoint. (and I am not a trinitarian, by the way)

 

[Dartman]

Nope... he has opening stated that people who believe Yeshua is God are not his brothers. If he considers himself a Christian, and those who believe Yeshua is God are not his brother... then he has stated openly (in another thread) that those people are not Christians.

I don't care what he believes... only that he not spread hate and division because people don't agree with his, minority, viewpoint. (and I am not a trinitarian, by the way)

I just did... I shared parts of 4 verses that a person can easily take as saying Yeshua is God. So perhaps that conclusion is wrong... perhaps it is correct. But each of us answer for ourselves, not to you. In another thread you recently said that "trinitarians" (the "ian" ending making it the PEOPLE not the doctrine) are "not my brothers." That means, if you consider yourself a Christian, you are saying that people who believe Yeshua is God are not. You have an agenda... I am not attacking you personally, I am simply pointing out that it exists. I won't bother posting in your thread again!

LOL .... you pretend that the trinitarian position is welcoming of MY beliefs??

English translation of the Athanasian Creed;

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence.

Do you have ANY knowledge of Church History?

Do you have ANY record of someone with MY beliefs, burning trinitarians at the stake?

I am sure you KNOW the trinitarians have persecuted those with MY beliefs for about 1,700 years!

And you would overlook that, and consider my statement that we are not brothers, as "hate"?

Sigh .... your personal attacks have zero grounds.

 

[Dartman]

Coming up on 10 posts, and no one has addressed Jesus' own words..... other than to merely claim several texts CONTRADICT Jesus' own words... which is frightening, when you think about it.

 

[ananda]

This contradicts Jesus' words.
Do you believe Buddha is right, and Jesus is wrong?
If so, why?

It is claimed in the Buddhist scriptures that there are beings who might sincerely believe that they have reached the pinnacle (reached "God" or in union with "God"), but are actually ignorant of even higher states. With that said, regarding this specific topic in relation to both the Christian and Buddhist scriptures - I do not directly know if either position is correct.

I do know for myself that other things which the Buddha taught are correct, having experienced them for myself. I have not directly known or have experienced anything Jesus taught for myself.

 

[Ken Rank]

LOL .... you pretend that the trinitarian position is welcoming of MY beliefs??

English translation of the Athanasian Creed;

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Essence.

Do you have ANY knowledge of Church History?

Do you have ANY record of someone with MY beliefs, burning trinitarians at the stake?

I am sure you KNOW the trinitarians have persecuted those with MY beliefs for about 1,700 years!

And you would overlook that, and consider my statement that we are not brothers, as "hate"?

Sigh .... your personal attacks have zero grounds.

Listen "Dartman" (a user name to give the impression that people are aiming at you?) you claimed people are attacking your beliefs. You should just report them for violating forum policy not use those minority voices as a cry that you are being persecuted and as an excuse to dish it back!

There are... literally... hundreds of verses I can dump on you (and you will claim, "I have already seen all these") but you won't address them, you have already proven that. You have changed the subject in other threads on this topic when confronted with something you have no answer for... and then insist that anyone who doesn't hold your personal view is not a Christian. I am done... take care.

 

[Rajni]

It’s unfortunate when one’s religion is less of a love relationship with the Divine and more just a tool for debate.

 

[Robban]

It’s unfortunate when one’s religion is less of a love relationship with the Divine and more just a tool for debate.

And this before the marriage, goodess knows what it will be like after.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

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