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Featured Jesus' Own Words on the End Times

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by eye_spy_the_cia, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. eye_spy_the_cia

    eye_spy_the_cia New Member

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    Hi,

    Most of what we are told to expect for the End Times comes from the Book of Revelation from what I understand, but what did Jesus HIMSELF say regarding the End Times?? (from my understanding, none of the content in the Book of Revelation actually came from Jesus...)

    Thanks for any additional info!
     
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  2. HTacianas

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    He didn't say very much about it at all. Matthew 25 is about as descriptive as he ever got and that only about judging people based on their works.
     
  3. Dave L

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    Matthew 24 outlines it but the biggest problem is in not studying his description of the kingdom as spiritual (all the gospels). And then forcing a physical kingdom into it which most do. The physical millennium was a Pharisee doctrine that he refuted time and again teaching a spiritual kingdom instead.
     
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  4. RaymondG

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    He said that the time in which He stood, were the last days......and there would be some standing there that would not taste death until they see the kingdom of God come with power.....

    I believe the same is true today.

    We are taught to look for signs of future events.... yet we will not see any sign.....nor any future...... we will only see this day.......the day of salvation.....

    "if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me"
     
  5. Franki(ncense)

    Franki(ncense) You will never walk alone. In Him we are fruitful. Supporter

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    Try reading the entire chapter of John 4 as well. Jesus has a one on one conversation with the Samaritan woman and then soon after, starts up a very interesting conversation with His Disciples concerning food. I honestly love the way Jesus constantly points us back to the Father even when it comes to simple things like food kkkk.
     
  6. Al Touthentop

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    All of the content of Revelation came from Jesus as it plainly states. But it only has a little bit about the Last Day. Most of the prophecy was about things which would "shortly take place" to the seven churches in Asia. Some of Revelation was about things that had already happened. People often fail to recognize that the prophecy was figurative - "signified by his angel" - and read it literally.
     
  7. Al Touthentop

    Al Touthentop Well-Known Member

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    Matthew 24 is about the destruction of Israel in AD 70, not the end of the world.
     
  8. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Luke chapter 21, Matthew chapter 24, Mark chapter 13. It's of use to read the somewhat different wordings because for instance Luke has the "roaring of the seas" for example, which i think of as one of the interesting leafs we might be able to see at some point (more easy to see, when it would become unexplained or 'perplexing'). Also, it is intentionally not easy lay out like puzzle, because it is not meant to be understood by all people, regardless of whether they have faith enough. Also, intentionally different time periods are mixed together, which is actually a common way to prophecy often in the scripture, where different times periods will show up close together in a prophecy. But, though even harder to understand, there is more length in revelation of course. One thing about the persecution of believers Christ foretells -- if we end up in that, then such as Matthew 7:24-27, which always applies to begin with, would be more urgent to immediately be doing.
     
  9. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    see just above
     
  10. Al Touthentop

    Al Touthentop Well-Known Member

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    The events in those passages took place in AD 70. They weren't speaking of the Last Day. Jesus said "all these things" would take place before "this generation passes." His instruction to flee to the hills above Judea would be pretty silly if he was talking about the day of Resurrection.
     
  11. OldWiseGuy

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    None of the so-called end time prophecies will literally occur. It's all metaphor. Eat drink and be merry. ;)
     
  12. Halbhh

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    I suggest don't let others read for you. Just read with faith and listening, and notice in time that more than one time is being addressed.
     
  13. Dave L

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    Are you a Preterist? It includes the end of the world and things leading up to the end.
     
  14. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Count on Matthew 7:24-27 as reality, but if times get tough then rush to be sure it's happening.
     
  15. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Actually Matthew 24 is about the end of the world (age). Very little about the destruction of the Jews in 70 AD.
     
  16. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    also the content of Revelation is at times clearly communicated directly by Christ, as you learn quickly as you read in it, starting right in chapter 1.
     
  17. Berean Tim

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    Matthew 24 - Jesus was asked and he gave a description of the end of the age.
     
  18. Al Touthentop

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    He started off his discourse by telling the apostles that not one stone of the temple would be left standing. It's pretty clear he was talking about that.
     
  19. Al Touthentop

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    End of the age. The end spoken of in prophecy. Either he was telling them it would all happen in their lifetimes or some of the apostles are still alive today. Take your pick.
     
  20. Josheb

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    He said a great deal but it is not stated as a textbook narrative.

    First, you should understand there are two "end times." In the NT we find mentions of "the lasts days" (plural) and we find mention of "the last day" (singular). You should do a study of these two terms to note the distinction.

    Jesus spoke of the "end" mostly in parables and, despite what another post posted, it's not only in Matthew 25. Matthew 25 is a portion of a narrative that encompasses 5+ chapters in Matthew that all take place in a single day. The narrative begins in Matthew 21:18, the day after Jesus enters Jerusalem, and concludes at Matthew 26:5 with Jesus concluding his answer to the three-part question asked in chapter 24 and the chief preists plotting his demise. Get out your Bible now and check to verify that what I just posted is correct.

    What you will notice is Jesus' parables change after he enters Jerusalem. You'll see this change evidenced in all the gospels after his entrance into Jerusalem. Early on there are parables about the kingdom and parables that are soteriological in nature but with his entrance into Jerusalem the parables turn toward judgment and become eschatological in nature. When you have the time, I again encourage you to study the parables before and after and verify for yourself what I just posted.

    What I am about to post to you next is going to be the most controversial of the posts so far because it is not popular. It is, in fact, the mainstream, orthodox, majority view both now and historically in the Church but it is not a popular view currently. Popular, not majority. The preterist perspectives (plural) emphasize the temporal markers or "time stamps," reported in the gospels. For example, you will find just over a dozen examples of Jesus using the qualifier "this generation," as he speaks of the faithlessness of his audience and the events that are forthcoming. These fifteen mentions are often ignored when answering questions like the one you're asking in this op. The one single mention of "this generation," that gets all the attention is found in Matthew 24:34 and it is often argued to say, "that generation," not "this generation." A proper exegesis of the phrase will show the Greek is near demonstrative and cannot be made to say "that..." Jesus is answering a specific three-part question asked by the disciples based on something he said earlier in that day. Those people are gonna see what he is describing in their generation.

    Now you watch what happens because a number of posters are going to take issue with what I just posted. Read their post and note 1) how they do not read the scripture text as written, plainly stated, and 2) how the eisegetically abuse the text(s) to make it say things it does not state.

    I recommend you pick up a copy of "The Case for Amillennialism" by Kim Riddlebarger. It's not that I think you should hold an amillennial view of the end times; it's because Riddlebarger does an extraordinary good job parsing through scripture to show the distinctions between the last-days-plural and the last-day-singular and provide a very good exegesis for amillennial partial-preterism. I happen to disagree with him on a number of pints but if you, eye_spy, are new to eschatology (the study or doctrine of the end times) then Riddlebarger is an excellent place to start. There are also several small books on the end times, specifically on the Book of Revelation, the millennium, the rapture, and hell, but I recommend you start with an Intervarsity classic, "The Meaning of the Millennium: Four Views" edited by Robert Clouse. Reading these books will give you comparative arguments, with each of the authors weighing in on the others' perspectives. Once you get those tomes knocked out I recommend "Last Days Madness," by Gary Demar. I don't wholly agree with Demar, either; I recommend the book because his is a very blunt confrontation of series problems in modern popular eschatology. Sadly, he's rather abrasive. Completely correct most of the time, but unnecessarily abrasive. I know that's a lot to read but if you read it and find it helpful let me know and I'll make some other recommendations, more in depth treatises from each of the respective eschatological positions.
     
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