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Jesus not a Jew?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by SonWorshipper, Nov 15, 2003.

  1. SonWorshipper

    SonWorshipper Old Timer

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    Anyone in the MJ ever hear of this before?

    http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/TruthPage/JesuswasNotAJew.htm

    Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it very strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written in the book anywhere, they call their own bible and claim to have written? Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN". We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham, Gen. 17:5 and that God changed the name of Jacob to Israel Gen. 32:28, but no where in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of Israel to Jew! There is therefore no authority by which those who say they are Jews can claim to be Israel!

    :eek:

    By the time of Jesus the word Edom or Edomite had been translated by Greek and Latin into Ioudaios and Iudaeus meaning a Judean or person living in Judea. The original King James version of the Bible, 1611, translated Idumaean-Judean into Iewes. It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must conclude therefore that the first "Jews" were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain, according to the Bible, that Jews are not Israel.:sigh:
     
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  2. Mr.Cheese

    Mr.Cheese Legend

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    I have a feeling the German language has a lot to do with how some Proper nouns are translated into English.
    I don't know Hebrew, but there's no "J" in Greek. But "J" in German is close to the pronunciation of the Proper nouns in question.
     
  3. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    There is no 'J' in Hebrew either. It was invented about 500+ years ago in a particular dialect of German.

    shalom,
    Yafet.
     
  4. Debbi

    Debbi Member

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    Protestant
    If the sons of Jacob desendents weren't Jews, what were they, they still left Egypt and went headed for the promised land? Children of Israel?
     
  5. Henaynei

    Henaynei Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Echud! Al pi Adonai...

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    US-Constitution
    THIS most of us have heard a hundred times - the excuses, explainations and twistings vary but the "story" is the same......:sick:
     
  6. Debbi

    Debbi Member

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    Protestant
    Well, was Yeshua a Hebrew?
     
  7. Debbi

    Debbi Member

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    Protestant
    Oh, and how could Mary be from the tribe of Judah and Elisabeth be her cousin or kin if Elisabeth was of the tribe of Levi? Ever heard this question either? Some say Jesus and John the Baptist are cousins.
     
  8. Messianic Warrior

    Messianic Warrior New Member

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    At least the site wasn't multi-colored, with a background of a hundred crosses an angels, with that crappy organ music, an section at the end that asks if you know 'The Lord Jesus Christ as you personal savior? if not burn in hell, heathen' .
    ..like so many other "christian" sites.

    *cough*.. -_-

    - Joshua
     
  9. AnthonyForChrist

    AnthonyForChrist Seeker of Messiah

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    He was of "the root of David," who was a Hebrew, so yes.
     
  10. YatzivPatgam

    YatzivPatgam Member

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    BS'D


    The word 'Jewish' actually is from the Hebrew 'Yehudim' which means 'Judahite', i.e. someone who came from the kingdom of Judah. It has been used for centuries as a generic term for anyone who is a legal descendant of Jacob.
     
  11. YatzivPatgam

    YatzivPatgam Member

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    BS'D

    I'm not sure who this "Freidman" is, and why the author considers him a "Jewish scholar and Researcher", but his facts are, well, go the way of the Trimm-bird.

    J-sus was Jewish, since the word means "Judean" and this website later goes on to call J-sus a "Judean" it kinda defeats itself. This must be a group of people who take replacement Theology seriously and are trying to show how Jews are not REALLY Jews, just some sort of Kennite imposter.

    Oh well.,.....When in Rome :cool:
     
  12. SonWorshipper

    SonWorshipper Old Timer

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    Yes, wanna-be's without kippahs! ;)
     
  13. YatzivPatgam

    YatzivPatgam Member

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    LOL!

    ^_^

    Touche'
     
  14. blessed2

    blessed2 Active Member

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    I suppose it's possible if mothers are from one and fathers from another. Historically lineages follow fathers. Even today it is difficult to trace a family tree thru ones mother.
     
  15. simchat_torah

    simchat_torah Got Torah?

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    Actually, Halachically a Jew is to trace their Jewish heritage via the maternal line. Not that I agree or disagree with it, but that's how it's technically done.

    shalom,
    Yafet.
     
  16. Bruce S

    Bruce S Well-Known Member

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    Just terminolgy, that is all, a Jew is what the modern world calls those who claim to have roots in the twelve tribes, AND those who converted IN over the ages.

    What is the problem with that? G-d knows who is a Jew or not, and that is OK with me.
     
  17. yod

    yod the wandering goy

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    Messianic
    How dark must the darkness be for someone to try and prove that the jews aren't jewish?

    That is rooted in pure envy and not even worth a discussion.
     
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