Jesus kept and ate Passover

[Standing Up]

Good thoughts.But then again,what is good for the passover(goose),is good for the Sabbath(gander).

Sooooo,where does all this fit in today,for a gentile frog?

Fulfillment in Christ.

They taught the gentiles the fulfilled Mosaic Law. Not to try to keep it in the flesh, but to see how it prophesied Christ and was fulfilled. The Reality is Christ from which the shadows were cast. Build what you saw, He told Moses.

So, gather on Sunday, the eighth day, but do it with the right understanding. It was not because Christ rose Sunday sunrise, but because He is Creator. He rose as the Sabbath ended. He was there at/from the beginning. Evening, morning day 1 (Sunday, if you will). He didn't "appear" 12 hours into the new day as someone tardy, as sol invictus, the created.

Also, He sanctified the first fruits (barley) Mt. 27 of OT deceased who rose out from the dead and He presented them to the Father.

These things should hopefully build faith for us in Christ who are the wheat (pentecost) harvest resurrection. These things were prophesied and fulfilled in Christ. And will be for us too.

 

[Frogster]

Fulfillment in Christ.

They taught the gentiles the fulfilled Mosaic Law. Not to try to keep it in the flesh, but to see how it prophesied Christ and was fulfilled. The Reality is Christ from which the shadows were cast. Build what you saw, He told Moses.

So, gather on Sunday, the eighth day, but do it with the right understanding. It was not because Christ rose Sunday sunrise, but because He is Creator. He rose as the Sabbath ended. He was there at/from the beginning. Evening, morning day 1 (Sunday, if you will). He didn't "appear" 12 hours into the new day as someone tardy, as sol invictus, the created.

Also, He sanctified the first fruits (barley) Mt. 27 of OT deceased who rose out from the dead and He presented them to the Father.

These things should hopefully build faith for us in Christ who are the wheat (pentecost) harvest resurrection. These things were prophesied and fulfilled in Christ. And will be for us too.

Well..I undertsand.I think if people find meaning in something,,fine.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[Stryder06]

I get upset about this, because if you are right, and the law code has not been blotted out, then we are all damned. For all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. And if I am on the highway to sheol, well, I'm going to start acting like it.

Just to touch base on this, it's not that you aren't damned because the law has been blotted out. You aren't damned because you have moved from death to life by accepting Christ. It is at that point that His grace covers you and all the wrong that you have done is longer looked at or held against you.

 

[Stryder06]

You cant pracitice selective lawkeeping.

That's not fair. You know in all honesty everyone does "selective" law keeping.

 

[Standing Up]

That's not fair. You know in all honesty everyone does "selective" law keeping.

But that's a problem for Christians. If you try one thing, you're obligated to the whole. And like everyone but Christ before us, we'll fail. That's why He is our righteousness. Like Paul, we want to be found in Him.

It's really a heart issue. If you want to worship Sunday, then don't condemn your brother who does it on Saturday, like they did beginning in 325. Those who worship Saturday and condemn those who worship Sunday are the mirror image of the hatred from over the last 1700 years.

Be convinced in your own mind. We live by faith. Love your brother.

 

[Standing Up]

Well..I undertsand.I think if people find meaning in something,,fine.

Thanks for your reply.

Meaning in something. We have been set free, out of Egypt into the promised land. Let's not go back and be sure we worship God in spirit and in truth.

 

[Stryder06]

But that's a problem for Christians. If you try one thing, you're obligated to the whole. And like everyone but Christ before us, we'll fail. That's why He is our righteousness. Like Paul, we want to be found in Him.

It's really a heart issue. If you want to worship Sunday, then don't condemn your brother who does it on Saturday, like they did beginning in 325. Those who worship Saturday and condemn those who worship Sunday are the mirror image of the hatred from over the last 1700 years.

Be convinced in your own mind. We live by faith. Love your brother.

You still have a problem. You were a lawbreaker and thus subject to death, before you came to Christ and while you were getting to know Him. The law didn't just vanish once you accepted Him.

 

[Standing Up]

You still have a problem. You were a lawbreaker and thus subject to death, before you came to Christ and while you were getting to know Him. The law didn't just vanish once you accepted Him.

I sinned and received the penalty that is death. But gentiles have never been under the law of Moses, nor were the fathers (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob).

Christ fulfilled the requirements of Mosaic Law. Then raised to everlasting life as proof. I want to be found in Him not having any righteousness of my own, but His righteousness.

So, whatever we do, we want to glorify Him. Whether we worship on Sat or Sun has nothing to do with anything. The real issue is condemning others in the Body. And it goes on from both sides.

Keep the Sabbath? We don't/can't. Pick and choose. Doesn't work that way. It's all or none.

Sever yourself from the root as the church did some 1700 years ago. Not good either. It's led to all sorts of heresy, schisms, bloodshed, and foolishness.

 

[Timothew]

Just to touch base on this, it's not that you aren't damned because the law has been blotted out. You aren't damned because you have moved from death to life by accepting Christ. It is at that point that His grace covers you and all the wrong that you have done is longer looked at or held against you.

So now that I am no longer Whiskey-Bent-and-Whatever do I need the law for righteousness?

 

[Stryder06]

So now that I am no longer Whiskey-Bent-and-Whatever do I need the law for righteousness?

The law doesn't bring righteousness. You needed Jesus before and you need Him now for His righteousness.

 

[Timothew]

The law doesn't bring righteousness. You needed Jesus before and you need Him now for His righteousness.

Yes! We are One in the Spirit! badada dada da!

 

[Stryder06]

Yes! We are One in the Spirit! badada dada da!

Yeah...but that pesky law is still around to convict and identify sin. Betcha wanna take those blessings back now dontcha

 

[bugkiller]

That's not fair. You know in all honesty everyone does "selective" law keeping.

I don't think that everyone does selective law keeping. Just because we sometimes coincide with something in the law does not mean we are observing it. I have neighbors who have similar actions and know nothing when it comes to the Bible. I would say ungodly. Coincidence does not mean compliance.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yeah...but that pesky law is still around to convict and identify sin. Betcha wanna take those blessings back now dontcha

You say the law convicts. I say the Spirit convicts. Who would want to throw blessings out?

bugkiller

 

[Stryder06]

You say the law convicts. I say the Spirit convicts. Who would want to throw blessings out?

bugkiller

The Spirit convicts by pointing out the law to you and showing your faults and your need for Christ.

 

[bugkiller]

You still have a problem. You were a lawbreaker and thus subject to death, before you came to Christ and while you were getting to know Him. The law didn't just vanish once you accepted Him.

Yes sir it did vanish when I came to know Christ. The law is not made for the righteous. When I came to Christ I was declared righteous. In fact infused with very righteousness of God. This is what is called imputed righteousness.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I sinned and received the penalty that is death. But gentiles have never been under the law of Moses, nor were the fathers (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob).

Christ fulfilled the requirements of Mosaic Law. Then raised to everlasting life as proof. I want to be found in Him not having any righteousness of my own, but His righteousness.

So, whatever we do, we want to glorify Him. Whether we worship on Sat or Sun has nothing to do with anything. The real issue is condemning others in the Body. And it goes on from both sides.

Keep the Sabbath? We don't/can't. Pick and choose. Doesn't work that way. It's all or none.

Sever yourself from the root as the church did some 1700 years ago. Not good either. It's led to all sorts of heresy, schisms, bloodshed, and foolishness.

Amem, ditto and

bugkiller

 

[Stryder06]

Yes sir it did vanish when I came to know Christ. The law is not made for the righteous. When I came to Christ I was declared righteous. In fact infused with very righteousness of God. This is waht is called imputed righteousness.

bugkiller

I'm with you wholeheartedly about how we obtain righteousness. Why would the law have to "vanish" though once you come to Christ? It's clear that the law applies to sinners, I'm sure we agree to that. But where do we get the idea that it goes away once a sinner is saved?

 

[bugkiller]

Your perversion of these scriptures even after being proven wrong over and over is a perfect illustraion of what Peter said in 2 Pet. 3:15-16.

Naw, but if you said don't agree with me I would concur.

bugkiller

 

[Standing Up]

The Spirit convicts by pointing out the law to you and showing your faults and your need for Christ.

Yes sir it did vanish when I came to know Christ. The law is not made for the righteous. When I came to Christ I was declared righteous. In fact infused with very righteousness of God. This is waht is called imputed righteousness.

bugkiller

Right. The Law pointed to Christ. It is a teacher to show how short we are, how filthy as rags.

1 Tim. 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned:

Love.

v9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Some may feel it unfair that the church seems to "get away" with redefining the Sabbath as a day, rather than as in the fulfilled work of Christ. Those of the schisms too make it a serious sin if you don't show up for mass/dl on Sunday. Again, they've just redefined and condemn what others are now reattempting. But God is not mocked, is not slow, as some seem to think.