Jesus is fully God & fully man
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From your first link:
3. That Jesus is the Only-begotton Son of God, thus of the essense of God, God Himself.
4. Therefore Jesus is God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God.
5. Jesus was begotten, not made; therefore of one substance with the Father
Are we dealing with two Gods, one being the Father and one being the Son? - And this is an actual question, not a prelude for a debate.
3. That Jesus is the Only-begotton Son of God, thus of the essense of God, God Himself.
4. Therefore Jesus is God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God.
5. Jesus was begotten, not made; therefore of one substance with the Father
Are we dealing with two Gods, one being the Father and one being the Son? - And this is an actual question, not a prelude for a debate.
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Ok, I posted this on another thread, but it might be more appropriate here. If you accept the Trinity theory, then a whole bunch of logical impossibilities can occur.
1) you have to accept that jesus was both 100% man and 100% God. As anyone who has taking grade school math can attest, this is not possible.
2) When Jesus went off by himself to pray, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself? Makes no sense.
3) When Jesus went off into the desert and was tempted by the devil. If Jesus is God, then who cares? How do you tempt God into sinning. Can't be done.
4) It is said that Jesus led the perfect life and therefore his death was the perfect sacrifice. Once again, if Jesus is God, then who cares? How hard is it for God to lead the perfect life? I would say it would be pretty easy. But if Jesus were a man.....
5) When Jesus was on the cross, he cried out " Eloi, Eloi, Lema Sabachthane?" He was clearly suffering here and was crying out to God. If he were God, why is he crying out to himself.
6) Jesus died on the Cross. How can you kill God? Impossible.
7) The salvation story. If Jesus is God, then the Salvation story boils down to "God sacrificied himself to appease himself". Makes NO sense.
I have to admit, Jesus as Man makes the story fit alot better.
1) you have to accept that jesus was both 100% man and 100% God. As anyone who has taking grade school math can attest, this is not possible.
2) When Jesus went off by himself to pray, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself? Makes no sense.
3) When Jesus went off into the desert and was tempted by the devil. If Jesus is God, then who cares? How do you tempt God into sinning. Can't be done.
4) It is said that Jesus led the perfect life and therefore his death was the perfect sacrifice. Once again, if Jesus is God, then who cares? How hard is it for God to lead the perfect life? I would say it would be pretty easy. But if Jesus were a man.....
5) When Jesus was on the cross, he cried out " Eloi, Eloi, Lema Sabachthane?" He was clearly suffering here and was crying out to God. If he were God, why is he crying out to himself.
6) Jesus died on the Cross. How can you kill God? Impossible.
7) The salvation story. If Jesus is God, then the Salvation story boils down to "God sacrificied himself to appease himself". Makes NO sense.
I have to admit, Jesus as Man makes the story fit alot better.
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Originally posted by Starscream
I can just see the Hollywood hype ...
Jesus: part man, part God, ALL ACTION!
You won't need to see the hollywood version-You will see God Himself as will all to make account on the day of judgement.
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Originally posted by Starscream
I can just see the Hollywood hype ...
Jesus: part man, part God, ALL ACTION!
Works for me. But who do we get to play him? Vin Diesel perhaps? Or how about a more established action hero, like Arnold? I can imagine his last words on the cross: "I'll be back."
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Hey, Mel Gibson's working on a Jesus movie right now. Don't give him any ideas.
It could be worse...he could include some visuals from Braveheart...
::laughing hysterically, bounds off into the night::
It could be worse...he could include some visuals from Braveheart...
::laughing hysterically, bounds off into the night::
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Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
If God is omniscient, omnipotent, etc. then what's the problem?
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I assume that is in response to my post. There is more proof that Jesus existed and was who He said He was than there is that you exist.
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Really? You'll find that us old-timers here don't believe every single thing that is asserted on these boards ... perhaps you'd like to back up that claim?
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Oh, I don't know. How many posts have you seen from Jesus? I can print out a whole bunch of posts from Starscream. I know that someone is making those posts. From my point of view, there is more evidence that Starscream currently exists than Jesus does.
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Could be a computer program doing the whole thing. Or a team of guys trying to dis Christianity, or a whole lotta other things.
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All above articles come from Anthony Buzzard's (Founder of Restoration Fellowship) newsletter: Focus on the kingdom.
Who is Jesus according to Anthony Buzzard?
Who is Jesus according to Anthony Buzzard?
Anthony Buzzard's False Gospel
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Here's an effective response I've learned while posting here:
LOL! Starscream could show himself right to your face and you would still not believe!
I pray that your heart will soften, time is running out!
Still, I suppose I could be a computer program, or a team of guys trying to dis Christianity (or something else). I challenge you to use such skepticism on your religion.
LOL! Starscream could show himself right to your face and you would still not believe!
I pray that your heart will soften, time is running out!
Still, I suppose I could be a computer program, or a team of guys trying to dis Christianity (or something else). I challenge you to use such skepticism on your religion.
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That would be logical possibilities.
For instance, the question "Can God make a boulder so big that He can't lift it?" is a logical fallacy and can't be applied.
The same with 100% God and 100% man. It's a logical fallacy.
A more proper explanation would be:
Jesus was 100% man and he had 100% of God indwelling.
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Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all [logical] things are possible.
The gospel according to Kain. If the Bible doesn't say what you want it to, just rewrite it to suit whatever fantasy you are promoting at the time. I don't believe that the creator or the universe is confined by our puny human logic, reason, "laws of gravity", etc. etc. etc. And I think He said as much in Isaiah 55. And God can create a boulder so big He can't move it. But all He would have to do is uncreate it then recreate it somewhere else.
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