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Jesus Darth Vader Painting By Cedric Chambers Selling On eBay

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Johnboy53, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. trunks2k

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    It's the type of stupid looking, poorly done art that would have been featured on Regretsy. Not sure why it's a story. People make bad art.
     
  2. Fenny the Fox

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    I don't think it just "can", I think it SHOULD and does. Pushing buttons is the easiest way to them make people back and say "hey...why did I get offended". Regardless of if they revise opinion or just get angrier, it makes people think, reflect on their personal and collective beliefs and thoughts.
     
  3. Dusky Mouse

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    I can see this piece being qualified for the label of, 'art'.

    However, a crucifix standing upside down in a mason jar of the so called artists urine is not. It was a gay man's blasphemy, as he informed the public, before he died of AIDS.

    It was also obscene. As many informed him while he was alive to hear.
     
  4. Gadarene

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    Are there two art exhibits featuring a cross in urine?

    Because Andres Serrano is still very much alive.
     
  5. Standing_Ultraviolet

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    Er, the guy who made it wasn't homosexual, and he isn't dead. To my knowledge, he also isn't infected with HIV. That said, despite Serrano's statements to the contrary, I really do believe that it was probably created to be offensive for the sake of getting attention.
     
  6. Supreme

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    It's just one bad artist trying to get publicity. Ignore him and he'll go away. I support his right to try and offend as many people as possible, but I do think it's crude and childish.
     
  7. SummerMadness

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    I think this is the perfect piece for the Museum of Bad Art (MOBA).

    This is about getting attention, and I don't think it's very good art. I'd rather see happy trees by Bob Ross, now there's an artist!
     
  8. Paradoxum

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    Sure I agree. :thumbsup:

    Why would blasphemy or obscenity make something not art? I suppose it depends on your (and the creators) attitude towards it. A cross in urine can either be childish rebellion, or it can be trying to make a point. If done in the a certain way, it could even present a Christian message.

    Why is a picture of Vader and Jesus crude or childish? Unless you are talking about the cross in urine.
     
  9. Wolseley

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    The purpose of art used to be thought of as creating something that appealed to mankind's more noble instincts; something that took him out of himself, that inspired him, uplifted him, made him reflect of the larger world, his place in it, and the Creator Who made it.

    Somewhere along the middle of the 19th century, however, art took a sharp turn; it was no longer about inspiration; it was about "expression". The artist's purpose was to rattle his viewer's cages---to get them to look and think about old topics in a new way. Of course, this soon grew stale, and then as time went on, the focus shifted more towards creating shock; and, eventually, to create outrage.

    I myself think that one can create art that is very much thought-provoking without being offensive; Andrew Wyeth is a good example. So is Edward Hopper. In a different vein, Peter Max, or even, Lord save us, Andy Warhol. Naturally, I don't expect those of you who stoutly defend the avant-garde to agree with me, and that's your right. I'm just laying it out there as I see it.

    As for this particular painting, I don't find it offensive, I just find it shallow and silly. It strikes me as something produced by a guy who is bereft of ideas, and resorts to this type of caricature to, as has been said, simply get noticed.
     
  10. KitKatMatt

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    I make art both to express myself and to make people think!

    Though, I think most of the time what they are prompted to thinking is along the lines of "what the heck is that?", but still onward I march...
     
  11. Dusky Mouse

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    Robert Mapplethorpe was gay, and is dead, and died of AIDS.
     
  12. SummerMadness

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    The artist was Andres Serrano, he is alive and kicking, and neither nor HIV positive.
     
  13. Gadarene

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    So there are two pieces of artwork involving crucifixes in urine, or aren't there? The only results I'm getting for Mapplethorpe and crucifixes in urine are bringing up Serrano because they were both publicly funded artists whose work at various points ended up being pulled from display.
     
  14. Gadarene

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    don't know about anyone else but the whole "AND THEN HE DIED OF AIDS" kinda screams "I uncritically swallowed the contents of a chain email"
     
  15. Dusky Mouse

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    I did the research just prior to coming back into this thread.
    When the Mapplethorpe display was advertised initially the "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Christ" piece was attributed to him.
    It was my error. Andres Serrano is the artist. And is alive.

    RM however did expire as I mentioned. And his art was as controversial as was Serrano's when it appeared with Mapplethorpe's work, and remains so to hear tell it.
     
  16. Standing_Ultraviolet

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    NM. My response was written before Dusky's last few posts.
     
  17. Dusky Mouse

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    The "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] Christ" controversy is years old. At the time Mapplethorpe got all the heat because this so called art appeared amid his photographs. His name predominated the news and the controversy that surrounded it.

    Turns out, now researching it due to this thread, Serrano and Mapplethorpe were working together at that time. But apparently Mapplethorpes work, being obscene for the most part on its own, was seemingly tied to the Christ blasphemy. With Serrano not getting the press as that artist responsible for it specifically. At least not that I heard when controversial art history was a subject of interest a few years ago. All I ever heard was Mapplethorpes name during the PC years.

    Here's something I found for you. :)

     
  18. Saleena

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    Dude that is epic. I'd love one for the dining room.
     
  19. Dusky Mouse

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    Check eBay. ;)
     
  20. HorsieJuice

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    That's true.

    My point (which I could've been clearer about) was to stave off what I saw as the inevitable posts regarding how the art world is full of a bunch of heathens looking to mock Christ.
     
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