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Jesus became the Word (LOGOS) John 1:1

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by Kees Boer, Dec 17, 2021.

  1. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    I do everything through MYSELF. . .
  2. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Those are the words of Christ. . .see below.
    See post #59, following. . .I await your demonstration of its Biblical error:
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    Clare said: There is only one God. . .in three separate persons.
    Clare said: Contrare. . .the "church manta" is precisely what Jesus said:

    There is only one God. . .in three separate persons.

    1) We have separate persons (divine agents) in the work of salvation:

    Three--Father, Son and Holy Spirit
    at its beginning (Luke 1:35),
    at the inauguration of Jesus' public ministry (Matthew 3:16-17) and
    in the work of atonement (Hebrews 9:14),

    the Holy Spirit completing the work (salvation) of the Father through the Son (Acts 2:38-39; Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 12:4-6; Ephesians 1:3-14, Ephesians 2:13-22; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2),

    the only way to enter the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (John 3:1-15).

    2) Jesus himself shows the personhoods of three distinct and separate divine agents:

    The Son is sent by the Father, in the Father's name (John 5:23, 36, 43).

    The Spirit is sent by the Father in the Son's name (John 14:26).

    The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as to the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son as well as the Father (John 15:26, 16:7, 14:26).

    One doesn't send oneself, one sends another who is separate from oneself.

    shows three distinct and separate persons in the Trinity.

    There is nothing in the "church manta" that is the opposite of what Jesus said.
    Rather, the "church manta" is precisely what Jesus said.

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  3. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Tried to unseat the NT word of God? . . .a fool's errand.

    Non-responsive. . .falls somewhat short of a Biblical demonstration.

    Assertion without Biblical demonstration is assertion without Biblical merit.
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  4. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    John 17:3
    “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
    and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”

    I believe one can read the text like this:

    John 17:3
    “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee [you, God the Father] the only true God [the Godhead or Trinity - 1 John 5:7], and Jesus Christ [the Word], whom thou hast sent”

    Why would I read it like that?

    Well, because 1 John 5:20 says Jesus is the true God.

    1 John 5:20
    “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

    "Jesus saith unto her,
    "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.""
    (John 20:17).

    Is Jesus (Who is God) really saying He has a God?
    In other words, does God have a God?

    Well, in the beginning of the gospel of John, it says this...

    John 1:1-2 KJV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God."

    In other words, John 20:17 is speaking in a similar way as John 1:1. The Word (Jesus - who is God) was with God the Father.

    So when Jesus says... "I ascend unto... my God..." He is acknowledging that He is ascending to the Father who is God in essence in being (as a part of the plurality of the Godhead).

    Yet, how can God have a God? Doesn't that imply a possession?
    Yes, but Jesus says elsewhere, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
    Also, when Jesus uses the word "my" in the words "my God" He is also referring to whom He always obeys, too (Sort of like how a loyal servant always obeys His ruling King).

    For Jesus says elsewhere, "... for I do always those things that please him." (John 8:29).
    Also, when Jesus claimed to be God, and the Pharisees wanted to kill him for it, Jesus quoted Old Testament Scripture that says, "ye are gods." (i.e. gods = kings) as a way of protecting His mission in going to the cross (John 10:34).

    Anyways, confusion on this topic arises because people need to know that the Lord our God is one God and yet He also has a plural nature to Him, as well.

    For the Bible teaches that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) (1 Timothy 2:5) (Isaiah 45:5).

    Yet, the Bible also teaches that there are distinctions within the Godhead or that there is a plural nature to God.

    Here are a couple of quick points:

    #1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
    #2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
    #3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
    #4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9,10,13,14) (John 14:16)
    #5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
    #6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
    #7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalm 2:1-12) (Psalm 45:6-7) (Psalm 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).
  5. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    However, if you are in doubt that Jesus is God Almighty, here are some Scripture that declares that Jesus is God and that He is the Almighty.

    Here is a great article on a list of verses that tell us this.
    (See #45 and other numbers below).

    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God

    By Thomas Golda

    1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.
    2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.
    3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6
    4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6
    5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3
    6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3
    7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45
    8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30
    9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the
    Father. They are "one"
    10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6
    11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23
    12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be
    worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.
    13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6
    14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8
    15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah
    45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God
    16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18
    17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)
    18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17
    19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3
    20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17
    21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11
    22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5
    23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14
    24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9
    25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7
    26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6
    27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16
    28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19
    29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24
    30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16
    31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9
    32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John
    33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.
    34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5
    Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
    judges no man - John 5:22.
    35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke
    12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7
    36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6
    37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3
    38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.
    39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6
    40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9
    41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21
    42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before
    - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23
    43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12
    44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11
    45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8
    46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God
    47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God
    48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4.
    God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.
    49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah
    48:12. Jesus is God.
    50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30
    51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20
    52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23
    53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23
    54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17
    55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20
    56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8
    57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16
    58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28
    59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18
    60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36
    61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from
    the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10
    62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1,
    73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.
    63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5
    64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.
    65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.
    66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14
    67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.
    68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10
    69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35
    70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15
    71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1
    72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5
    73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14
    74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11
    75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16
    76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1
    77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15
    78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God
    79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God
    80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah
    41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God
    81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with
    His finger - Exodus 31:18
    82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46
    83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6
    84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared
    the coming of Jehovah God!!!!
    85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are
    atoned for it. Jesus is God.
    86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3
    87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25
    88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God
    89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.
    90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is
    91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and
    Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
    Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.
    92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18
    93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God
    94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9
    95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can
    quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.
    96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ -
    Colossians 3:24.
    97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.
    98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.
    99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-
    32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.
    100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation
    belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
    salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.
    101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27
    102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16
    103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.
    104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28
    105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13
    106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28,
    II Thess. 3:18
    107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25
    108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8
    109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13
    110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6
    111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20
    112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21
    113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.
    114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15.
    Jesus is God.
    115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8
    116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9
    117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4
    118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.
    119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7
    120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.
    121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2
    122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking
    about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
    God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.
    123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.
    124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5
    125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35
    126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty
    God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.
    127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the
    Lamb who is God Almighty.
    128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17
    129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21
    130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25
    131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19
    132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36
    133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.
    134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9
    135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9
    136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19
    137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10
    138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11
    139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23
    140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.
    141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8
    142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah
    143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8
    144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27,
    Ezekiel 33:22
    145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6
    146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2
    147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8
    148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6
    149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty
    God who brings wrath.
    150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4
    151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God
    152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31
    153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5
    154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36
    155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.
    156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10
    157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18
    158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10
    159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13
    160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is
    JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11

    Article Source:
    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God
    (Important Note: While I support what this article says, I do not hold to the author’s view on Calvinism and or a few of their other beliefs).
  6. Bible Highlighter

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    The Trinity is told to us in one verse:

    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7).​

    Meaning, even nature itself declares the Godhead (or the Trinity):

    Romans 1:20 says,
    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

    Atoms = Nucleus, Protons, Electrons.
    Water Molecules = Hydrogen Atom, Hydrogen Atom, Oxygen Atom.
    Fire needs 3 things: = Heat, Fuel, Oxygen.
    Sun gives humans 3 things: = Light, warmth, and Vitamin D.
    Colors of White Light = Red, Blue, Green.
    Man's Formation = Dust, Mist (i.e. Water), Breadth of Life.
    Man Made in God's Image = Physical Body, Spirit Body, Soul.
    Time = Past, Present, Future.
    Earth = Crust, Mantle, Core
    3 Major Types of Light in the Sky = Sun, Moon, Stars​

    Although the word "Trinity" is not found within the Scriptures, the word "Godhead" is used instead (Acts of the Apostles 17:29) (Romans 1:20) (Colossians 2:9).

    Jesus had power as God:

    #1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
    #2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
    #3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
    #4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
    #5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
    #6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
    #7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
    #8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).​

    God purchased us with His own blood:

    “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts of the Apostles 20:28).​

    There is no Savior beside or next to God:

    “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” (Isaiah 43:11).

    “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.” (Matthew 16:19).​

    Holy Spirit is God:

    The Holy Spirit is called God:

    “Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).
    The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).
    The Holy Spirit is eternal:

    “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).
    The Holy Spirit is a person:

    “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;” (John 14:16).
    The Holy Spirit can be grieved:

    “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).
    The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:

    “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).

    Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.
    The Father Sent The Holy Spirit:

    The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit. Jesus said.

    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you (John 14:26).

    The Father will send the Holy Spirit, not Himself, to help believers.

    There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit
    The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father. Paul wrote.

    And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will (Romans 8:27).​

    Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
    Is the Holy Spirit a Distinct Person from God the Father?
    (Note: I agree with this article, it does not mean I may agree with all articles or beliefs put forth by BlueLetterBible).
  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Well, first, you have said in another thread you are JW. You are not allowed to post in the Christian section of the forums at CF. Second, I have debated this topic for many years and I am intimately familiar with many of these verses and I even created some of these lists myself. I don’t see your belief in Scripture. It’s an attack upon the true character of God as revealed in His Holy Word. But of course instead of addressing the actual verses, you resort to clever comments instead.
  8. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    No. You cannot post it here because you stated in another thread you are JW and JW’s are not allowed to post in the Christian section of the forums. Besides, I already posted many reasons in Scripture showing how Jesus is God. You simply ignored those points and you want to simply repeat what you want to believe from your own slanted view of the Scriptures, friend.
  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Sorry, you cannot post here in the Christian section of the forums. You can only post in section called, Outreach or Discussion and Debate, or any other Non-Christian section of the forums.
  10. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    You can post your belief in the non-Christian section of the forums and debate with Christians there. I really don’t feel the need to debate something so basic. If you don’t believe the verses I presented, then so be it. That’s on you. Most of your verses are most likely nothing new to me. I have already discussed this issue for a long time now and it is simply not needed. Besides, it’s not a one sided debate where you hold all the cards. You need to address the verses I presented, too.
  11. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    Not nearly as funny (translate: pathetic) as your DREAD in Biblically demonstrating your asserted errors in the posts of others.

    Assertion without Biblical demonstration is assertion without Biblical merit.

  12. throughfireytrial

    throughfireytrial Truth-Lover Supporter

    Agreed...this is what I was trying to express, but I do believe that the disciples though spiritually poor...the Spirit had not yet been given...were referring to the foreknowledge of Christ in His speaking to them and nothing else.
  13. Bible Highlighter

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    I did not make the rules of the thread.
    But yes, I would consider your belief to be heretical enough whereby I would not have fellowship with you. Nobody can worship a false version of God.

    Actually, it is 1 John 4:15 that says that.

    1 John 4:15
    “Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.”

    This is talking about how Jesus (the Eternal Word) became flesh. He is the Son of God in the sense that He was within the physical line of Mary going all the way back to Adam (Who was a son of God). This does not prove Jesus was created or had a beginning.

    Micah 5:2 says,
    “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
  14. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I don’t think the disciples knew anything about how Christ suppressed His Omniscience as God during Christ’s earthly ministry. I think they may have actually believed Christ literally knew all things exhaustively (Omniscience). In a way Christ did know all things exhaustively, but that knowledge was simply suppressed. Also, it was true because Jesus could gain access to any knowledge He wanted at any moment from the Father if He asked.
  15. pescador

    pescador Wise old man Supporter

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    What does "He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true" mean in 21st Century English? "Set to his seal"????
  16. YeshuaFan

    YeshuaFan Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is God in sinless human flesh!
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  17. Clare73

    Clare73 Blood-bought

    He did in Luke 22:70.

    Keeping in mind that both Jesus and the NT present the Holy Spirit as God, the third divine person of the Trinity (post #55).
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  18. YeshuaFan

    YeshuaFan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, as Jesus stated another just like him and yet not Him shall come!
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  19. Tionbai

    Tionbai New Member

    Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth—

    Hebrew linear:
    בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ. 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    This word: אֵת

    The Aleph and the Tav. It's the "A" and the "Z" in the Hebrew language. The "Alpha" and the "Omega".

    It is an untranslated word from the Hebrew scriptures.

    Revelation 1:8: I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, the one who is and the one who was and the one who is coming, the All-Powerful.

    Isaiah 41:4: Who has accomplished and done this,
    calling the generations from the beginning?
    I, Yahweh, am first;
    and I am the one with the last.

    Isaiah 44:6: Thus says Yahweh, the king of Israel,
    and its redeemer, Yahweh of hosts:
    “I am the first, and I am the last,
    and there is no god besides me.

    Revelation 1:17: And when I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead person, and he placed his right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid! I am the first and the last,

    Revelation 2:8: “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:

    Revelation 21:6: And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the one who is thirsty I will give water from the spring of the water of life freely.

    Revelation 22:13: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

    John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    The WORD was God.

    The Aleph Tav in the Hebrew Scriptures:
    "Within the Hebrew Scriptures is a tiny little two-letter word "et" (אֵ֥ת), spelled with two Hebrew letters "aleph" and "tav," which are the first and last letters of the Hebrew "aleph-bet." This word often doesn't get translated into English because of a lack of clarity as to its meaning.

    There are some speculations that this word is a pointer to the direct object in the sentence. The pointer theory is right in some cases, but not all of them. As we shall see, it is more likely the sign of the Lord Jesus's covenanted presence as it concerns the events of the text.

    The very first mention of this word is in the very first sentence of the Bible twice.

    בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    The literal word for word rendering of the above verse in Hebrew, when reading from right to left in English, is "in beginning" created, Elohim, 'et' (Aleph-Tav in bold) the heavens and 'et' (Aleph-Tav in bold) the earth."

    Recall that Jesus is the "Alpha and Omega," "The First and the Last" The Beginning and the End," "The One Who is and was and is to come," and with this understanding, we can now say He is also "The Aleph and the Tav" which is the equivalent of all of these titles. "Aleph" and "tav," recall, is the first and last, and the beginning and end of the Hebrew aleph-bet. Just as alpha and omega are the first and last, beginning and end of the Greek alphabet, we have the Bible beginning with the Aleph andTav and ending with the Alpha and Omega.


    The "aleph-tav," in exclusive combination, occurs a little over 7000 times in the Old Testament. Their occurrences are most often relative to covenant events where God is directly involved. The first two mentions concern creation and connect heaven and earth. The third use of (et אֵ֥ת) occurs at the scene of the bringing forth of light.

    Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw (et אֵ֥ת) the light, that it was good.

    Genesis 1:3-4

    John understood this connection of the beginning and the end as he wraps up the first few verses of Genesis in the following writing at the opening of the fourth Gospel and relates them to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men . . . That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him..And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth . . .

    John 1:1-5,14"

    Beautiful! God almighty.

    In the beginning Aleph Tav God created the heavens and the earth. Jesus created the heavens and the earth :D :clap::heart:
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  20. The Liturgist

    The Liturgist Traditional Liturgical Christian

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    Yes. You and @GreekOrthodox and @Clare73 beautifully defended the Holy Apostolic Faith as confessed in the Nicene Creed and the CF.com Statement of Faith.

    Edit: and @Minister Monardo, @YeshuaFan, and @Bible Highlighter who discovered that dude was a JW, a neo-Arian, so congratulations.


    We might well resume this interesting discussion.
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