Jesus as a person to serve and obey above all others

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In the gospels, it looks to me like what Jesus wants people to know most of all is that the best life we can live is in recognizing and accepting him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way he says to live. I'm wondering if there is anyone else in the world who sees that in the gospels.
 

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To me, the greatest commandment is the best life we can live. If we all could truly love our neighbor in thoughts and actions there wouldn't be much sin to begin with. By doing this we show our love to God. But it's hard. Peace
 
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In the gospels, it looks to me like what Jesus wants people to know most of all is that the best life we can live is in recognizing and accepting him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way he says to live. I'm wondering if there is anyone else in the world who sees that in the gospels.
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In the gospels, it looks to me like what Jesus wants people to know most of all is that the best life we can live is in recognizing and accepting him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way he says to live. I'm wondering if there is anyone else in the world who sees that in the gospels.
One reason this topic is important to me is because I think that it's important for people to be aware of the authority and power of God behind what Jesus says about how to live our lives, and what I've seen Christian evangelism doing seems to me to mostly be diverting attention from that, and even repelling people away from learning about it.
 
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One reason this topic is important to me is because I think that it's important for people to be aware of the authority and power of God behind what Jesus says about how to live our lives, and what I've seen Christian evangelism doing seems to me to mostly be diverting attention from that, and even repelling people away from learning about it.
I never see Christians talking about Jesus as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way He says to live. I'm wondering if that's true of most Christian evangelism, or only the parts of it that I've seen. I've been in many discussions with Christians, online and offline, and this might actually be the first time that I've seen any Christian who sees what I see in the gospels about Jesus as a person to serve and obey above all others and about learning together to live the way he says to live. All I ever see them talking about is requirements for salvation, and I don't think that there are any. I think that's just smoke and mirrors diverting attention from the Lordship of Jesus, and repelling people away from learning about it.
 
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One reason this topic is important to me is because I think that it's important for people to be aware of the authority and power of God behind what Jesus says about how to live our lives, and what I've seen Christian evangelism doing seems to me to mostly be diverting attention from that, and even repelling people away from learning about it.
Apologies, that was harsh. It does grieve me, but I’m not here to complain. I just wanted to find out if Christians think and talk about the Lordship of Jesus more than I’ve seen them doing.
 
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In the gospels, it looks to me like what Jesus wants people to know most of all is that the best life we can live is in recognizing and accepting him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way he says to live. I'm wondering if there is anyone else in the world who sees that in the gospels.

On a practical scale, I'd say I generally agree with this view of yours. Love Christ as best we can; Love People as best we can.
 
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In the gospels, it looks to me like what Jesus wants people to know most of all is that the best life we can live is in recognizing and accepting him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way he says to live. I'm wondering if there is anyone else in the world who sees that in the gospels.
Maybe I should try to clarify this some more. In the gospel stories, it looks to me like what Jesus wants people to know most of all is that the best life they can live, for themselves and for the world, is learning together to live the way He says to live, with conscious efforts to continually improve their attitudes and behavior in accordance with all of His teachings, recognizing and accepting Him as a person to serve and obey above all others. That includes studying His teachings together, *all* of His teachings, *everything* that He says in the gospel stories, and practicing together with conscious efforts by each person to continually improve their own attitudes and behavior. That's what I think Jesus in the gospels is saying about what is best for every person and for the world, and that's what I think He wants people to know most of all. I never see Christians talking about this, but maybe that's only because most of my experience with Christians has been with people trying to convert me, and people promoting their Christian beliefs in online discussions. I'm trying to find out if there is anyone in the world besides me who sees what I see Jesus saying in the gospels that I think He wants people to know most of all.
 
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Maybe Christian Churches are encouraging people to study together and continually make conscious efforts to improve their character and capacities in accordance with the teachings of Jesus, everything that He says in the gospels about how to live our lives, but I don't remember ever seeing any mention or sign of that, not even in confirmation class. I know that most or all churches do have some kinds of classes for people of all ages, but do those include the kind of study and practice that I've described, continuing conscious efforts by each person to improve their own character and capacities in accordance with everything that Jesus says in the gospels about how to live our lives?
 
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I get this feeling you may be using your idea of Jesus as a way to get us to agree that Jesus is just a person( as in, just a man). We, as Christians, believe Jesus to be God. He became man to show us how to live and to not only save us from Satan, but to save us from ourselves.
 
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Jesus Christ as God incarnate and Savior; and from His sinless humanity, He tells us if we love Him we will keep His commandments. ( see Matthew 22:36-40, John 3:16-21, John 14:15-18 etc.).
 
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I get this feeling you may be using your idea of Jesus as a way to get us to agree that Jesus is just a person( as in, just a man).
No. I'm just trying to find out if there's anyone else in the world who sees what I see in the gospels, that I think Jesus wants for us most of all, that is, to recognize and accept Him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way He says to live. In my understanding that includes studying together, and conscious efforts by each person to continually improve their own character and capacities, in accordance with everything that He says in the gospels about how to live our lives. I'm trying to find out if there's anyone else in the world besides me who sees that in the gospels as what Jesus wants for us most of all.
 
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No. I'm just trying to find out if there's anyone else in the world who sees what I see in the gospels, that I think Jesus wants for us most of all, that is, to recognize and accept Him as a person to serve and obey above all others, learning together to live the way He says to live. In my understanding that includes studying together, and conscious efforts by each person to continually improve their own character and capacities, in accordance with everything that He says in the gospels about how to live our lives. I'm trying to find out if there's anyone else in the world besides me who sees that in the gospels as what Jesus wants for us most of all.
I would He lived His life as an example on how to love God and how to love others, so yes.
 
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Maybe it will help if I say more about what I believe and don't believe. Not to argue about it, but just for people to know where I'm coming from. I don't believe that Jesus took the punishment or paid a debt for the sins of all people. I do believe that His death and resurrection work in some way to help free all people from slavery to their passions and worldly desires. I don't believe that He was resurrected in any physical way, other than possibly in the bread and wine. I do believe that he was resurrected in some way that was real and not just in people's imaginations. I don't believe that He is God or the son of God in any physical way. I do believe that He is the one that God promised to David, saying "“I will be his father, and he shall be my son." I do believe that everything that we can know about God is in Jesus. I think that the Holy Spirit is like a person in some ways, and not like a person in some ways. I don't think that God has any pronoun preferences for the Holy Spirit, or even for Himself. I think that the Nicene Creed and the Trinity doctrine can be understood in ways that make them true, but I think that they are misleading and confusing for most people, and very poor ways of saying things that the Bible says much better. They might have been useful in their time for explaining Christianity to Greek philosophers, but I think that they have lost any usefulness that they might have ever had. All of that is not to argue about any of it, but just to answer questions people might have about what I believe and don't believe.
 
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It sounds to me like you are pondering matters like Dietrich Bonhoeffer did that have been interpreted as primarily following Jesus by deed above worship. Bonhoeffer considered this practice as a “religionless Christianity”. Important matters to consider are though that Pastor Bonhoeffer was a political prisoner of the Nazis at this time. He was blessed, to a small degree, to have initially not undergone torture but he still only saw 30 minutes of daylight each day. Prisoners at Tegel jail in Berlin remained upstairs when allied air raids occurred. Later Bonhoeffer was directly linked to the plot against Hitler and transferred to a camp & tortured. Pastor Bonhoeffer was tragically executed a month before the Nazi surrender in 1945.

There are different opinions on whether Bonhoeffer remained an orthodox Christian or not. I believe he did and was a martyr ( he is a martyr in some sense regardless).

Here is an ethical article on Bonhoeffer that supports the post Christian view of Bonhoeffer’s view of Christ.



There is also an Orthodox Christian nun, Mother Maria ( Skobtsova), also executed by the Nazis, who struggled with how to properly follow Jesus Christ in matters of faith & ethics. She wrote an essay on this at the same time Bonhoeffer wrote: The Cost of Discipleship. Her essay ( about 25pp.) was never intended to be published but was for her fellow coworkers but was found years later in a filing cabinet. Despite the variance of Lutheran & Orthodox faiths, I believe Pastor Bonhoeffer and Mother Maria were kindred spirits who probably never met. Mother Maria never wavered from Orthodoxy but had many of the challenges of how to follow Jesus Christ in a rapidly changing world.


I believe there is wisdom that can be found from people like these who may help you in forming your views.
 
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The gospels stress that Jesus is alive. And particularly John stresses that He is available.

He can combine with us and blend with us.
He can enter into us and live again on the earth through us.

This is an unusual command from Jesus to His lovers:

Abide in Me and I in you. (John 15:4a)

He is telling us what to do and as a result what He will do in return.
If we learn to remain living in Him (He is alive and availaible) He will in turn remain and live in and through us.
It is a rather unusual directive - Abide in Jesus and Jesus abide in you.

Now let's consider the rest of that verse.

Abide in Me and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. (v.4)

Apart from abiding in Him and He in us we can do nothing.
Or we may DO a lot, but to God's purpose it will amount to nothing.

In John 15 He scarcely tells us HOW we are to abide in Him except for one vital fact.
We must SEE that He is the true vine and we are branches in Him.

I am the true vine, and My Father is the husbandman. (v.1)
I am the vine; you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. (v.5)

The way to abide in Him is firstly to SEE that He is the true vine and we are grafted, attached, joined to Him.
So I stressed in the opening that the Good News is Jesus is alive and available. And He can join us "organically" into Himself.
If we see this and remain in Him in a moment by moment way the rich life of the vine will flow into the abiding branches.
And He will abide in us.
 
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It sounds to me like you are pondering matters like Dietrich Bonhoeffer did that have been interpreted as primarily following Jesus by deed above worship. Bonhoeffer considered this practice as a “religionless Christianity”. Important matters to consider are though that Pastor Bonhoeffer was a political prisoner of the Nazis at this time. He was blessed, to a small degree, to have initially not undergone torture but he still only saw 30 minutes of daylight each day. Prisoners at Tegel jail in Berlin remained upstairs when allied air raids occurred. Later Bonhoeffer was directly linked to the plot against Hitler and transferred to a camp & tortured. Pastor Bonhoeffer was tragically executed a month before the Nazi surrender in 1945.

There are different opinions on whether Bonhoeffer remained an orthodox Christian or not. I believe he did and was a martyr ( he is a martyr in some sense regardless).

Here is an ethical article on Bonhoeffer that supports the post Christian view of Bonhoeffer’s view of Christ.



There is also an Orthodox Christian nun, Mother Maria ( Skobtsova), also executed by the Nazis, who struggled with how to properly follow Jesus Christ in matters of faith & ethics. She wrote an essay on this at the same time Bonhoeffer wrote: The Cost of Discipleship. Her essay ( about 25pp.) was never intended to be published but was for her fellow coworkers but was found years later in a filing cabinet. Despite the variance of Lutheran & Orthodox faiths, I believe Pastor Bonhoeffer and Mother Maria were kindred spirits who probably never met. Mother Maria never wavered from Orthodoxy but had many of the challenges of how to follow Jesus Christ in a rapidly changing world.


I believe there is wisdom that can be found from people like these who may help you in forming your views.
Interesting. Thanks!
 
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